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Less new articles needing assessment lately[edit]

Wow, whoever else is doing assessments lately, keep up the good work. I did ~600 in the last few weeks, but new stubs popping up unassessed seems to have completely stopped in the last few days. I have no complaints about that. Nswinton 21:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Questions regarding specific project scope[edit]

I notice that one of the two new unassessed Christianity articles is about a Roman Catholic Carmelite monk. This raises a question in my eyes regarding the specific scope of this project. Should we try to tag all the articles which relate to Christianity in all of its forms, or should we allow the specific "daughter" projects which may have already tagged articles to not have our banner, as it were, "intrude"? I can see placing the Christianity banner on any article within Christianity which clearly is relevant to Christianity beyond any specific group which may have already tagged it, but think that in instances like that maybe we would be best served if the Christianity banner also included "tabs" for the various other projects, so that we might not have individual talk pages overrun by the banners of multiple "daughter" projects as well as the main Christianity banner. John Carter 20:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I think your point is at least worth a discussion, John. Do we want WP Christianity to be a sort of umbrella/mother project that covers all issues relating to Christianity, or do we want to be selective and allow the daughter projects to have whatever is more in their scope than ours? I'm not terribly excited about peer reviewing and assessing every article about every noteworthy clergy, theologian, church building and christian sub-school of thought, myself. I don't think we have enough project members at this point to realistically oversee something like that. At least at this point I'd say we leave the small detail stuff to the daughter projects, and we allow them to submit the occasional article to our peer reviewers or something along those lines. Nswinton\talk 21:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Assessment of Indian Christianity work group articles[edit]

I have assessed around 60 articles in Category:Indian_Christianity_work_group_articles related to Indian Christianity work group. Please verfiy / update if you think any of them are to be changed. Thanks

- Tinucherian (talk) 08:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Around 260+ were assessed in last 2weeks. There are a total of around 550+ in Indian Christianity work group articles to assessed. The rest will be worked upon as we progress. As said in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Christianity#Removal_of_tags_from_non-important_indian_chirstians_to_the_Wikiproject_Indian_Christianity , the articles unfit for the tag are also being removed. We will update as we progress - Tinucherian (talk) 06:26, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

missing sentence?[edit]

Is there a line or sentence missing at the start of the 2nd paragraph? Aristophanes68 (talk) 04:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Which paragaraph ? - Tinucherian (talk) 06:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Here are the first two paragraphs on the page -- there's something missing between them:

Welcome to the assessment department of the Christianity WikiProject! This department focuses on assessing the quality of Wikipedia's Christianity related articles. While much of the work is done in conjunction with the WP:1.0 program, the article ratings are also used within the project itself to aid in recognizing excellent contributions and identifying topics in need of further work.

fashion through parameters in the {{ChristianityWikiProject}} project banner; this causes the articles to be placed in the appropriate sub-categories of Category:Christianity articles by quality and Category:Christianity articles by importance, which serves as the foundation for an automatically generated worklist.

???? Aristophanes68 (talk) 15:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

You are correct, I fixed this. -- SECisek (talk) 16:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

general rules?[edit]

Why are most biographies to be rated "Mid"? For the overall project, they sure look to me like low importance.

Is there a general rule about denominations? How about individual churches? (I think low for the churches). GRBerry 15:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can see it makes no sense to say "Most people involved in Christianity will be rated in Mid level." in the light of the definitions. Anyone mind if I remove it? NBeale (talk) 08:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

So far as I can tell, that phrasing is taken from the boilerplate. My guess is what it meant initially was "Most of the people who are involved in Christianity will be rated at this level", meaning most of those individuals who have been directly involved in developments of Christianity as a whole. Individuals involved in, for instance, development of the Lutheran churches once they were founded would not fall in that same grouping. I think it makes sense to rewrite all the importance rating criteria, however, to make it more coherent and usable. Any suggestions? John Carter (talk) 17:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
It makes no sense to say "Most people involved in Christianity will be rated in" Mid Importance. From the other criteria (eg "Articles at this level will cover subjects that are well known but not necessarily vital to understand Christianity." for Mid, and "The article is not required knowledge for a broad understanding of Christianity." for Low) it is perfectly clear that most people involved in Christianity will be at Low importance. NBeale (talk) 20:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Before the criteria is changed, consensus from the Wikiproject should be gathered first. There is no consensus with only three editors commenting. I would rather see the criteria improved, than a simple removal of a sentence or two. In any case, any change in criteria will affect all articles not just the one that is under discussion. --RelHistBuff (talk) 13:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I would propose the phrasing be changed to something like "Most people who are or have been involved in Christianity as a whole in a notable, significant way, will be rated in this level." We should also note that "most" does not rule out that some individuals who have played a truly decisive role in Christianity, like, for instance, Jesus, Mary (mother of Jesus), Saint Peter, Saint Paul, and the like, might not be rated at a higher importance level, just that the majority of those who do not clearly qualify as more importance will be ranked at this level. John Carter (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
We need this to agree with the other criteria (which seem to boil down to: "well known and required for a broad understanding of Christianity" but "not necessarily vital to understand Christianity") So how about "Most people who are or have been involved in Christianity in such a way that some knowledge of them would be required for a broad understanding of Christianity, will be rated in this level." NBeale (talk) 15:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Alternately, "People whose involvement with Christianity in general has been of such impact that a broad understanding of Christianity is not possible without some knowledge of them." Granted, that's not the same type of phrasing used elsewhere, but it gets the point across. John Carter (talk) 15:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Still sounds right to me. My original comment is a year old, but I haven't seen anything that would change the opinion expressed above. GRBerry 17:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
I think we need your original "most" though to deal with the exceptions. So shall we go with "Most people whose involvement with Christianity in general has been of such impact that a broad understanding of Christianity is not possible without some knowledge of them" NBeale (talk) 20:20, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Accurate Rating?[edit]

How to I nominate this article for C-Class/ No class? 69.51.152.180 (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Low importance[edit]

I removed the "or not adherents to atheism" clause from the first sentence of the low importance level category. It's difficult for me to understand what this is trying to say but from what I understand it's making the assumption that adherents to atheism are especially knowledgeable or educated about Christianity? Apparently enough to be included in a comparison with Christians themselves..? This generalization is as random as it is false. Also it disrupts the flow of the sentence and seemed like an unnatural addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.236.144 (talk) 04:02, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. At WP:X we do not specifically frame our efforts around that which atheists are familiar. – Lionel (talk) 03:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

2010 Backlog: Where is the staff?[edit]

Why is their a backlog to 2010 in Requesting assessments for Christian interested articles? The last article to be assessed was Colin Slee on 13:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC). Are their any staff assessing these articles currently?   — Jasonasosa 08:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that probably would be me. Situations what they've been lately, I haven't necessarily been marking off those I have assessed, or necessarily assessing those listed. My apologies. Part of the more recent difficulty has been determining importance assessments, and I think I might have a bit clearer line on that now. In any event, I hope to get through them all by Monday, at least in the quality area. John Carter (talk) 18:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
That would be wonderful! Because there might be more assessments coming through, in the near future...   — Jasonasosa