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Why does the WP:ORPHAN shortcut redirect to this WikiProject page? Shouldn't it redirect to the explanation of what an orphan is, as does WP:O and WP:ORPH? I find it illogical that a shortcut directs to a different page than do the abbreviated versions of the same word. – voidxor 19:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it's completely aberrant that this shortcut does not go to the lower-case version of the same page name.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  11:45, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Assuming there will be no objections, I fixed it. W. P. Uzer (talk) 21:50, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Actually I now see the matter may not be entirely an accident, so there may be objections - revert me if there are. But for now let's make WP/WT:DEORPHAN the shortcuts we advertise. W. P. Uzer (talk) 21:58, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

"No" or "no or few" incoming links[edit]

Please see Template_talk:Orphan#No, or few.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  11:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Hurrah ![edit]

The October 2008 orphans are all gone ! The one remaining one is on PROD row.

All but about 9 or 10 have been successfully deorphaned, the 9 or 10 being attempt tagged into March 2016. However, the majority of these can probably be easily fixed if we can find someone who knows a bit about Afghanistan geography. Most of them are location stubs for that country.

Eno Lirpa (talk) 12:09, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Nice work. I don't tend to spend too much time trying to deorphan articles about villages. Notability requirements are quite liberal for human settlements so it is likely we will always have orphan stub articles about villages. Also, I don't think we're quite done with 2008. ~Kvng (talk) 17:38, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes meant to say October, but it still feels good! (Have changed the pages in cat stat to December too.) Eno Lirpa (talk) 10:39, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
November 2008 somehow got done too! ~Kvng (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Reverts of deorphaning[edit]


I have been doing a bit of deorphaning and I am getting a very small but steady number of reverts by editors (I have not checked but it looks like outside this project) on the grounds that my inclusion in the host article is not notable or important enough. Typically the issue is to the linked-in subject matter. My view is that if there is an article notable enough to exist in its own right then it can be linked in wherever reasonably appropriate, that is the notability of the link is inherited from the article being linked. Hence either the link and the article stay, or the article needs to be taken to AfD and properly adjudicated. I think we should push back on such reverts but if we do I think the project needs a consistent approach rather than each of us tacking each revert one at at time and on our own. Comment? Eno Lirpa (talk) 11:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

The first interesting revert I noticed came recently and I successfully pushed back. In my experience reverts are very rare are not often difficult to deal with. Where they do get difficult it's best to leave it or take a similar path of least resistance. A good portion of orphaned articles have marginal notability. I usually just tag them with {{notability}}. In the case you mentioned, I would more comprehensively evaluate notability and consider WP:PRODding. ~Kvng (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

A half way FULL hurrah ![edit]

The December 2008s are now down from 400 plus three weeks ago to now just less than 200.

Well done all of us !!

Eno Lirpa (talk) 13:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

That's great! Can anyone help with my anxiety about this?
Yep. I have been dreading that one too! I have picked off one or two at random but it feels like moving Everest with a tea spoon. I have picked a few more 2016s for good measure; amazing how many new fresh articles are orphans each month. I was trying to work my up to tackling the big one by getting some psychological feel good wins first! Eno Lirpa (talk) 11:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Luckily WP:Eventualism. That you all are doing such good work on this backlog lately, is really exciting! Keep it up (from someone who consistently worked on this backlog a few years ago). You could probably ask someone with AWB to remove orphan tags from no longer orphaned articles in that category -- and it will get something like 5% smaller, I am betting. Sadads (talk) 13:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
It would be nice to have the categories we're actively working on freshened to remove already deorphaned articles. That would save me a few clicks per article. I think having this done to Category:Orphaned articles from December 2008, Category:Orphaned articles from January 2009 and Category:Orphaned articles from February 2009 is what we're looking for. I have posted a request to Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Request_from_WP:DEORPHAN. ~Kvng (talk) 15:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Twenty thousand??? I'm afraid it would take AWB three days several hours to scan that many. You could try asking nicely at WP:VPT, as someone might be able to do a database query that would be much faster. But if my first few minutes of AWB scanning is anything to go by, you aren't going to shrink the category by more than a few percent. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a crack at this. Although it is disappointing to learn that that this is not going to go away on its own, the point of the exercise for me is to be able to forgo with confidence the step of verifying that each article is still an orphan before attempting to deorphan. ~Kvng (talk) 16:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Momentary anxiety relief ? - Admittedly low hanging fruit but I have just managed to knock off 35+ from February 2009. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:17, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Here's something that makes me feel better: Category:Orphaned articles from February 2009 originally had 114,437 articles. It is now down to 20,283. ~Kvng (talk) 16:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I gave GoingBatty a query, that gives All orphaned articles articles with more than two incoming links, so he's doing that job. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:37, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: That query is really great - works much better than running AWB over 100,000 articles. BattyBot is removing a few more orphan tags now. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I have been away for a few days, and I see now well below 80. Great going folks. Eno Lirpa (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

May I ask who has made the the progress, and do you have any tips on how you are going about them. Eno Lirpa (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

I've been doing a few a day. I find targets through the search link in the orphan tag, from wikilinks in the orphaned article or, as a last resort, by searching wikipedia for "list <general topic area of the article>". There are a fair number of articles that cannot be deorphaned because of marginal notability and to these I add the "|att=" parameter and a {{notability}} tag. Ones in this state that already have a longstanding {{notability}} tag, I nominate for deletion. ~Kvng (talk) 14:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kvng. I have been away again. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

I have tonight (my time) finished off the December 2008s. I big HURRAH for all of us ! Only 130,000 to go ! Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Just 17 remain in Category:Orphaned articles from January 2009! Let's push through this so we can put on our big boy/girl pants and dance with Category:Orphaned articles from February 2009!!Ajpolino (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

A full HURRAH for January 2009 Yes check.svg Done - A small one at least knowing what is now to come for February ! Eno Lirpa (talk) 13:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Just in case this is useful...[edit]

Hey all! While trying to de-orphan things, I fairly regularly have to go beg a related WikiProject for help. Oftentimes my calls go unanswered, but sometimes some helpful soul jumps in. I made this award for those times. Feel free to use it or change it as you see fit!

3 week old swaddled infant.png Adoption Award
For generously de-orphaning Article name out of the goodness of your heart. I hereby award you the prestigious Adoption Award! Sleep well knowing another orphan has found its place in the encyclopedia!

Ajpolino (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC)