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Reverts of deorphaning[edit]


I have been doing a bit of deorphaning and I am getting a very small but steady number of reverts by editors (I have not checked but it looks like outside this project) on the grounds that my inclusion in the host article is not notable or important enough. Typically the issue is to the linked-in subject matter. My view is that if there is an article notable enough to exist in its own right then it can be linked in wherever reasonably appropriate, that is the notability of the link is inherited from the article being linked. Hence either the link and the article stay, or the article needs to be taken to AfD and properly adjudicated. I think we should push back on such reverts but if we do I think the project needs a consistent approach rather than each of us tacking each revert one at at time and on our own. Comment? Eno Lirpa (talk) 11:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

The first interesting revert I noticed came recently and I successfully pushed back. In my experience reverts are very rare are not often difficult to deal with. Where they do get difficult it's best to leave it or take a similar path of least resistance. A good portion of orphaned articles have marginal notability. I usually just tag them with {{notability}}. In the case you mentioned, I would more comprehensively evaluate notability and consider WP:PRODding. ~Kvng (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
I may take a bulldog approach but if someone reverts a good faith maintenance edit supported by a project, that has a goal of building an encyclopedia, I revert it as vandalism. Prodding will likely just result in the same editor deprodding with some BS summary, if at all. This is a project so there can be nothing wrong with listing comments here if that happens for more involvement. I would have doubts about the intentions of any editor reverting some stub or start article deorphaning anyway. And "IF" an editor wants to "push" the issue the editor or members of the project can also take it to AFD.Otr500 (talk) 19:42, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

A half way FULL hurrah ![edit]

The December 2008s are now down from 400 plus three weeks ago to now just less than 200.

Well done all of us !!

Eno Lirpa (talk) 13:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

That's great! Can anyone help with my anxiety about this?
Yep. I have been dreading that one too! I have picked off one or two at random but it feels like moving Everest with a tea spoon. I have picked a few more 2016s for good measure; amazing how many new fresh articles are orphans each month. I was trying to work my up to tackling the big one by getting some psychological feel good wins first! Eno Lirpa (talk) 11:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Luckily WP:Eventualism. That you all are doing such good work on this backlog lately, is really exciting! Keep it up (from someone who consistently worked on this backlog a few years ago). You could probably ask someone with AWB to remove orphan tags from no longer orphaned articles in that category -- and it will get something like 5% smaller, I am betting. Sadads (talk) 13:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
It would be nice to have the categories we're actively working on freshened to remove already deorphaned articles. That would save me a few clicks per article. I think having this done to Category:Orphaned articles from December 2008, Category:Orphaned articles from January 2009 and Category:Orphaned articles from February 2009 is what we're looking for. I have posted a request to Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser#Request_from_WP:DEORPHAN. ~Kvng (talk) 15:19, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Twenty thousand??? I'm afraid it would take AWB three days several hours to scan that many. You could try asking nicely at WP:VPT, as someone might be able to do a database query that would be much faster. But if my first few minutes of AWB scanning is anything to go by, you aren't going to shrink the category by more than a few percent. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:56, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a crack at this. Although it is disappointing to learn that that this is not going to go away on its own, the point of the exercise for me is to be able to forgo with confidence the step of verifying that each article is still an orphan before attempting to deorphan. ~Kvng (talk) 16:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Momentary anxiety relief ? - Admittedly low hanging fruit but I have just managed to knock off 35+ from February 2009. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:17, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Here's something that makes me feel better: Category:Orphaned articles from February 2009 originally had 114,437 articles. It is now down to 18,434. ~Kvng (talk) 16:28, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I gave GoingBatty a query, that gives All orphaned articles articles with more than two incoming links, so he's doing that job. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:37, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: That query is really great - works much better than running AWB over 100,000 articles. BattyBot is removing a few more orphan tags now. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I have been away for a few days, and I see now well below 80. Great going folks. Eno Lirpa (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

May I ask who has made the the progress, and do you have any tips on how you are going about them. Eno Lirpa (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

I've been doing a few a day. I find targets through the search link in the orphan tag, from wikilinks in the orphaned article or, as a last resort, by searching wikipedia for "list <general topic area of the article>". There are a fair number of articles that cannot be deorphaned because of marginal notability and to these I add the "|att=" parameter and a {{notability}} tag. Ones in this state that already have a longstanding {{notability}} tag, I nominate for deletion. ~Kvng (talk) 14:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Kvng. I have been away again. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

I have tonight (my time) finished off the December 2008s. I big HURRAH for all of us ! Only 130,000 to go ! Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:45, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Just 17 remain in Category:Orphaned articles from January 2009! Let's push through this so we can put on our big boy/girl pants and dance with Category:Orphaned articles from February 2009!!Ajpolino (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

A full HURRAH for January 2009 Yes check.svg Done - A small one at least knowing what is now to come for February ! Eno Lirpa (talk) 13:07, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Awesome work guys! After taking a break from this project for a while I'm excited and happy to see it still alive and well. -- œ 07:21, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Just in case this is useful...[edit]

Hey all! While trying to de-orphan things, I fairly regularly have to go beg a related WikiProject for help. Oftentimes my calls go unanswered, but sometimes some helpful soul jumps in. I made this award for those times. Feel free to use it or change it as you see fit!

3 week old swaddled infant.png Adoption Award
For generously de-orphaning Article name out of the goodness of your heart. I hereby award you the prestigious Adoption Award! Sleep well knowing another orphan has found its place in the encyclopedia!

Ajpolino (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Ajpolino. I have meant to say a good idea a few times but kept getting distracted by something else. Have you had any feedback from recipients? Also do you have a template for your begging too? Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:22, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

The next psychological hurrah is coming ![edit]

February 2009 orphans as of 2016-09-03.png

Well done all. February 2009 will soon drop below the 20,000 mark ! Eno Lirpa (talk) 13:56, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations! Wish I had more time to work on this, but that number has been lingering for years in the back of my mind :) Sadads (talk) 18:54, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

HURRAH - now down to 19,999. Well done all of us. Eno Lirpa (talk) 12:34, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Nice work everybody! I've made a chart. ~Kvng (talk) 14:32, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Do we know what happened (stopped happening) mid 2013 that reduced the cleanup rate? Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:35, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
My first guess is that most of the dramatic changes are due to changes in the definition of how many incoming links are required to deorphan. We're also experiencing a reducing level of cleanup activity across the board as the population of active editors slowly decreases over the years. ~Kvng (talk) 17:07, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
@Kvng: The active editor thing is not exactly true: we have barely seen a decline (talking 1-2% a year), and the remaining editors have become more in terms of volumes of edits (see and ). We just aren't growing at a rate (in terms of editors) to also account for the amount we have to curate (in terms of volume). I can only assume that maintenance tasks are the bulk of the edits that have increased in volume, because those are the ones that can be semi-automated more easily. The main reason that the Orphan Articles queues fall of, in terms of speed of reduction: the editor who created the article is less likely to be around, the obvious articles to link without knowing they are orphaned, get deorphaned quickly, and the easy to remove templates via AWB or bots come off because of the first two reasons at a high volume. If you look at other months in the queue, this is a pretty similar pattern. Sadads (talk) 19:04, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Another small morale boosting step - another 100 are done - now below 19,900. Well done all. Eno Lirpa (talk) 15:12, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Another small hurrah. Now just dropped to 19,699 . . . Good work all. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:04, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Special:LonelyPages is now updated regurally again[edit]

Note, this has been cross-posted.

Hello all de-orphaners. Last month Nemo_bis wrote a patch and I pushed it for puppet SWAT deployment. This thing makes the page Special:LonelyPages update once monthly (on the 15th). This will help us find new articles which are orphans, but not marked as such with a template yet. I'm currently going through this month's query and tagging them as much as I can with AWB. This will unfortunately do that the monthly categories will be larger than usual perhaps....Anyways, happy editing! (tJosve05a (c) 21:32, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry but I do not quite follow. Do we know which ones are already tagged with an orphan template ? Does eac one have to be checked ? If so, this is a huge amount of work for perhaps a lot of redundant effort. Why cannot algorithm check to see of there is an orphan tag already and indicate as such ? Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:11, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I do believe it is checking for that, but it is only run once a month (since it is quite an "expencive" and "memory-stealing" query), and it can have been tagged or de-orphaned since. I run AWB on the list once a month and tag 500-1500 article with {{Orphan}}, which is why this months cateogry gained ~75% yesterday. (tJosve05a (c) 20:49, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

The next psychological hurrah is coming ![edit]

Well done all. February 2009 will soon drop below the 19,500 mark ! Another 500 almost done in just over one month. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Well done all. A small but significant hurrah to all of ourselves. Now down to 14,498. Eno Lirpa (talk) 14:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)