Talk:Murders of Thomas and Jackie Hawks

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This article was nominated for deletion on October 21, 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

Revamp

Wow, someone needs to revamp this article. I'd be willing to do it, but I'm kinda busy now. Anybody else up to it? --Enrgy (talk) 02:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've reinstated the redirect. At the very least, I'd expect a fully formatted article by those who want an article on Deleon himself. Nevertheless, the valid objection that Deleon is notable solely for the murders would still stand even in the case of a half-way acceptable article here. 78.34.136.182 (talk) 03:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disrespect to the Corp

The term "Awol" is an Army term not a Marine one. It is a blatent disrespect by both the media and those who feel that the term is correct. As a former Marine I find the term a slap inm the face. Regardless of what the citations say. The citations got it wrong.--Jojhutton (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Over an acronym word? Really? I mean, if it were a word related to something that has affected you I can understand, but this is very... weird to someone not in the armed forces. I might be mildly huffed, but not consider it a "slap in the face". But then again, I'm not in the armed forces. Maybe I just don't understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.194.146.50 (talk) 16:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Marine is not a soldier. Therefore should not use Army acronyms when refering to the Marines. I understand that to someone who hasn't served that this might sound silly, but to Marines its very serious.--Jojhutton (talk) 17:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So what's the proper term for a Marine who goes "AWOL", if "AWOL" itself is an improper term? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

It's UA. That stands for Unauthorized Absence.--Jojhutton (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Clarification

Deleon was not on power rangers for more than ONE episode as an extra. The wording that was here beforehand made Deleon out to be a regular on the show, which he was not. Confusing statements like this have left many confused as to Deleon's actual role on the show and has led many to believe that one of the actual stars was a murderer. I have fixed this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.50.88 (talk) 18:16, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw what you did, and I don't disagree. You made a good deletion.--Jojhutton (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not notable at all

Would better be suited as an article on Wikinews, not Wikipedia. This article's "claim to fame" is just the murderer was on an episode of Power Rangers. --Phil1988 (talk) 01:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See the above tag, at the top of this page. This article was nominated for deletion on October 21, 2008. The result of the discussion was keep. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:02, 12 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

I would be inclined to keep it as well. Based mostly on the henious nature of the crime and the huge amount of media coverage, and not on the alleged notability of the killer.--Jojhutton (talk) 03:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget ... this is an article about the murder of Thomas and Jackie Hawks ... it is not an article about Skylar Deleon ... although, of course, Deleon appears within the body of the article as he was a key player in the subject of the article (namely, the murder of the Hawks). Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Who is Kennedy?

Someone named "Kennedy" is mentioned three times in this article before we even get his first name; we never really get an idea of what his role is here, who he is, or where he came from. I'd fix it myself but I have no idea who this is. --Free-world (talk) 01:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His name is (actually) John Fitzgerald Kennedy (no relation to the former President, I am sure). Kennedy was a gang member; he went along for the boat ride, pretending to be Deleon's accountant. Kennedy participated in the murder plot and its execution. He was sentenced to death for his role. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:25, 10 April 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Art

I've found a few works of art relating to the case; the pieces concentrate on Skylar Deleon:

Three drawings by Anthony Cudahy and
at least one by Hello Little Fish at Flickr.

-Mardus (talk) 14:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]