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- 1 Name of the people / Name of the empire
- 2 Requested move of Aztec and Inca
- 3 is an 'expand' template justified?
- 4 Inca versus Inka
- 5 Jokes in First Paragraph
- 6 Discrepancy between discussion of medical advances here and in Inca Empire
- 7 Don Mancio Serra de Leguisamo's testimony
- 8 Assorted Facts
- 9 Population size
- 10 Ritual War
- 11 Monumental Architecture Cleanup
- 12 simple spelling error
- 13 Split and merge with Inca Empire
- 14 Move?
- 15 Chavin de Huantar
Name of the people / Name of the empire
The article uses the word Incas to refer to the people of the empire. But in Bolivia, it's common knowledge that only the emperor was called the Inca. The people are referred to as the Quechuas. Thus, the word "Inca" should only refer to the emperor, or to the entire empire. --MiguelMunoz (talk) 07:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Actually there are several ethnic groups referred to as Quechuas of which the Incas were just one. You can find numerous references to the Incas as an ethnic group in 16th and 17th century chronicles among other sources. --Victor12 (talk) 14:20, 100 August 2008 (UTC)
- NO! The term "Inca" applied only to the nobility of Cuzco. In fact; a Colla warlord named Chuchi Capac, who ruled in the Lake Titicaca basin, once adopted the name "Inca" for himself. Pachacuti then had the false "Inca" beheaded in Cuzco during his welcome-home party, after the real Inca's swift conquest of the Colla.
- The people who ruled over by the Incas were not themselves called Incas. The nobility would fiercely defend their royal title. However, the invading Spanish conquistadors would refer to all as Inca, in their "we know everything, you're an unworthy savage" condescending attitude all Europeans had towards all native peoples during that time. They simply did not care if the nobility held a separate title than the commoners. Canationalist (talk) 01:15, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Requested move of Aztec and Inca
is an 'expand' template justified?
Inca versus Inka
It seems as if scholars are increasingly using the spelling "Inka" instead of "Inca" (e.g. Hyslop, J. "Inka settlement planning." University of Texas Press, 1990). As I understand it, the spelling change is the result of orthographic disagreement. Namely, the justification for the shift is that use of a "c" is a relic of Spanish colonialism and the "k" spelling is closer to the pronunciation in Quechua. If no one has a problem with it, I will indicate that Inka is an accepted spelling. Eventually, the whole article may have to be converted to "Inka Civilization," but I don't think that would be a good idea at this point because "Inca" is still more common than "Inka" and it is not evident that "Inka" is destined to supplant "Inca" as the dominant spelling.(December, 2008)
Jokes in First Paragraph
In the first paragraph of this article, there is a reference to "the Kishawn of Cuzco", with a link. There is no such thing as a Kishawn of Cuzco. Because Kishawn is a common first name, I assume that this is a joke. Judging from later text in the article, "the Kishawn of Cuzco" probably should be replaced by "the city state of Cuzco". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stenik (talk • contribs) 13:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
- You are right, removed. It has been there since 28 Oct 2008. It was added as part of a far less subtle piece of vandalism that was then partially reverted to simply "Kishawn of Cuzco" by the same IP which is presumably why it didn't flag as obvious vandalism. How it has remained this long is a mystery though, there are probably loads of school teachers marking essays wrong for referring to it as that since then. Mfield (talk) 16:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Unless there's a technical meaning of "support group" (in which case it should be tagged), saying that the Inca civilization started out as a support group calls to mind a bunch of Incas gathering in a church basement for free coffee to talk about how rough it is being addicted to chewing Cocoa or something.
"Hi, my name is Kishawn and I'm a chewer..." "Hi, Kishawn."
Discrepancy between discussion of medical advances here and in Inca Empire
In the 'Mathematics and Medicine' section here, it says:
They performed successful skull surgery, which involved cutting holes in the skull to release pressure from head wounds. Though very few lived through this ordeal some amazingly survived.
This is VERY different from what is said in the Inca Empire article, in which it is stated:
Anthropologists have discovered evidence which suggests that most skull surgeries performed by Inca surgeons were successful. In pre-Inca times, only one-third of skull surgery patients survived the procedure. However, survival rates rose to between 80 and 90 percent during the Inca era, from A.D. 1400 to 1532.
This statement references the article here . Obviously, this isn't a primary source (the actual study mentioned would be better), but I'd say that the truth is probably a long way from "very few lived" and "some amazingly survived."
Don Mancio Serra de Leguisamo's testimony
I am against taking out the words of the aforementioned conquistador from their psychological and historical context. The Inca Empire was not the Paradise on Earth: there was an exploitation of the lower class, predatory wars against neighboring countries, cruel rituals, and so on. Don Mancio was one-sided in his will. This is not POW or own research, but the pure fact. POW is to only show one side of the coin and avoid its reverse. A good Wikipedia article must be balanced and objective.Mazarin07 (talk) 20:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
I forgot the works, so I am including this on the talk page, but to according accepted contemporary scholarship the Inca king that ruled before the civil war that Pizzaro stepped into had died of Small Pox. Additionally, one aspect of the incan method of rule was that they would transplant newly conquered peoples to different parts of the kingdom, a practice which would unsettle the newly conquered people and keep them from rioting. The Incans also believed that Huacas(special spirits) inhabited special objects. After the Spanish conquered the Incas, the priests would try andburn these huacas in an attempt to get rid of devils. This was difficult, however, because anything could be an huaca. Additionally, the Incans had a practice of giving the lands and wealth of the recently deceased king to his family, which gave a tremendous incentive to his successor to expand, because he began his reign with no resources. Also, the incans believed in reciprocity as a method of governance. A portion of this, called the encomienda system, was later abused by the Spanish, who would use it to send thousands of former-Incans to mines to mine Quicksilver.Thesupersfox (talk) 02:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)thesupersfox
According to this reference: Chepstow-Lusty A, Jonsson P (2000) Inca Agroforestry: Lessons from the Past. AMBIO: A Journal of the Human Environment: Vol. 29, No. 6 pp. 322–328, there were 30 million people in the Inca Empire. Not sure where to put this information in the context of the article. Hires an editor (talk) 18:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I have changed the phrase "ritual war" to "civil war" because both the Wikipedia article linked two and the source referenced later in the paragraph call the war a civil war and do not use the word ritual. Does anyone know why the phrase was originally used? Uityyy (talk) 19:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
- There's a lot I don't understand about the authorship of a lot of the Inca related articles. Most don't have sources. And there's some things I haven't heard before, either, but at the same time, I'm just getting my feet wet with a lot of this stuff. Hires an editor (talk) 19:41, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Monumental Architecture Cleanup
Most of the section 'Monumental Architecture' is a discussion of whether the Inca had a hand in the construction of the Easter Island heads. The part that has to do with Peru is disjointed and largely unhelpful. Hires an editor (talk) 18:05, 18 November 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by D150potter (talk • contribs)
simple spelling error
May be trivial, but "form" is misspelled in the Society section, under Politics and Government, section 3... "The two halves of the ayllu would from* separate customs and rites and would form separate units in the army but would remain on good terms with each other socially, taking part in feasts and mock battles." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphaomega618 (talk • contribs)
- Thanks. You can edit most articles now but this is semi-protected, so you couldn't edit it because you are brand new. When your account is 4 days old and you've made over 10 edits, including the one above, you'll be able to edit semi-protected articles and have other privileges you don't have now. Dougweller (talk) 06:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Split and merge with Inca Empire
Although there is a popular usage of the term "Inca civilization" it appears that much of what is attributed to Incas was in place before the military expansion, for example pottery.. In general the article largely overlaps with the subject of Inca Empire. Nowadys "Inca civilization" is used for any widepsread cultural aspects within the former empires borders, this like to call the ancient cultures of mesopotamia for "Assyrian civilization". I would suggest to split this article merging some parts with Inca empire and stating a Andean civilizations (there is already a category with this name) article to cover up the rest. Dentren | Talk 09:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
- I agree, in academic literature Andean civilization is the preferred term. We should definitely make the switch. --Victor12 (talk) 13:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)