Talk:Blade (character)

Cleanup

This article's images were apparently subject to deletion/removal and as such this is at a disadvantage. There are also some inconsistencies with the way things are structured overall.

I would say that this article is below standard and needs a clean-up tag. -Rednaxela 18:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Could you be more specific about what needs to be cleaned up? Rabidwolfe 02:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it doesn't read terribly well and is repetitive. There is also a lack of information on the main contributors or evolution of the comic book. I've already corrected some spelling and grammatical points. -Rednaxela 03:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I performed a basic cleanup, but it still needs a lot of work and maintenance. --Basique 22:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Another clean-up issue - the recent edits by Tenebrae and others. Here are my problems: 1 - Marvel comic books of the period rarely make any distinction between English or American characters in terms of accent or speech patterns (there are exceptions, but they are exceptions. Captain Britain often could haven been Captain America as far as speech patterns went, though). We can't "hear" any accent in a visual medium that has no audio part, so the whole thing about accents means nothing. 2 - I don't see why Blade's origin has to be bookended with "according to Blade" or "Blade said this." Enough other sources treat the events as canon, and unless there is a clear reason to think the writers wanted us to believe Blade was lying, it's pointless and verges on too much interpretation. It's also confusing. Rabidwolfe 23:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

This article is about Blade (comics), shouldn't section 3.2 Powers and Abilities in Film and Telivision be left for the pages regarding the films and television series? Also, shouldn't section 6 be removed and just replaced with a related links section at the bottom? I'll leave this for members of the comics project to decide, I was just passing through.Mike padilla 12:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Birth of Blade in Comic

According to official Marvel sources, the comic book Blade's place of birth is "unrevealed." From early appearances in Tomb of Dracula and Vampire Tales, it seems clear Blade played trumpet in Jazz clubs in England while a youth. Because of this, until someone shows a canonical source (not all Blade comics are canonical), I've removed the references to Blade's birth and youth in Brooklyn, since as far as I can determine, there is no proof of this in the comics (and I have nearly all of them). Rabidwolfe 02:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

The man called Blade was born in a Soho whorehouse, in Great Britain Um how is it possible to be born in London and NYC?

With lazy writers who don't research, anything is possible! -- Noclevername 01:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Confirmed in the most recent issue (Issue 6, dated April 2007 on the letters page) he was concieved in Latveria and his mother was then sent to SoHo while pregnant. She went to Madame Vanity's Brothel. 72.166.206.88 20:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)KomradeDave

There is also a Soho in London, England.Rabidwolfe 23:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Cartoon Version White?

Not worth a token mention that he's white in Spiderman? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.145.64 (talk) 00:15, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

I'm not sure if he was meant to be white in the Spider-man cartoon. He did wear a costume that pretty much was a Ghost Rider costume, if you look at it.

What comic does the picture come from? Is it new or old? Douglasdanger 01:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

White, and American. I wonder why? It's not as if the cartoon didn't have other black characters in important positions, such as Robby and the female cop. - perfectblue 06:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

In the Spider-Man Animated Series, Blade was not white. He was black as he has always been portrayed. Perhaps your are mixing him up with Tombstone, who was an albino with completely white skin, not Caucasian, literally white. --12.226.77.253 (talk) 21:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Blade was obviously black in the show. I don't see how this is in debate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.196.49 (talk) 06:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider it to be obvious. In several scenes his skin is almost white(naturally, not albino, like Tombstone). Either the colorist didn't know he's supposed to be black, or they tried to show a very pale black person. Only in the flashbacks about his youth it is obvious. The picture in the article doesn't really help, though.--Cyberman TM (talk) 18:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

petition

This should not be here. If it is any where ut should in the tv show's wiki. Even there it should not be put on any wikipedia page. Since a petition is not a thing you would find in a encyclopedia

Canon Changes

Guggenheim's run has established that he was always a hybrid (he stated in the letters column that while Blade was not shown having a bloodlust, there was nothing he could find archived that contradicted this, besides speculation). Is this worth including? This series is canonical so would that mean an update on his bio? KomradeDave 20:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Hannibal's age

This article says that King lied about his age to Blade to gain his trust. Seems like the change to fifty was just retcon. See the main article on King.Mr. ATOZ 16:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hacksaw or Scalpel

Next time you make sweeping changes to the page, please use a scalpel not a hacksaw. --Basique 20:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

CC of post at User talk:Warlordjohncarter

Infobox images

Hi. I couldn't find that policy you mentioned. At WikiProject Comics: Superhero box images, it only says not to use images that wouldn't fall under fair-use guidelines, such as Marvel Handbook images. But the covers we use elsewhere throughout an article do fall under fair-use guidelines. Given this, I'll restore the Blade cover, and we can initiate a discussion on the Blade or WikiProject Comics talk page if you have a different interpretation of the guideline I've linked to. Thanks. -- Tenebrae 18:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

By their very nature all comic characters/covers will be in copyright so I don't see that as justification for removal [1]. It probably needs reducing in size to tick that specific box in the FUR but I suppose the main issue might be that it isn't a full body shot but as it is the first issue that has to gain a few points. (Emperor 18:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC))

• This page was the one being cited. It states that non-free-use images can only be used in the main space, and not in templates like infoboxes. It is possible that there are exceptions to this rule regarding fictional characters, but I tend to doubt it. I think in such instances the functional equivalent of "screenshots" might qualify as free use, but the image page linked to indicates that it is under copyright, thus making it not free use. Again, I could be wrong, but I see no exceptions for images of fictional characters on the page indicated by me above. If the project's policy in some way supercedes that page, of course, I offer my apologies. John Carter 19:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Note:I have left a comment on the talk page of the page indicated above asking if my understanding of the page's content is accurate. Presumably, the page's content will be changed if it is inaccuarate. Otherwise, it might be required to try to determine consensus in this case. Also, please note that that page says such restrictions to not apply to main space, although it does indicate they do apply to templates, including infoboxes. John Carter 19:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion, with additional comments already, has been moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Superherobox images. --Tenebrae 22:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Buddhism

Several websites indicate that the star of the movies, Wesley Snipes, is rather interested in Buddhism and has stated that repeatedly, and that may have been the basis for the inclusion of as many scenes in the movies include Buddhist imagery as there were. However, there seems to me to be no explicit statement of his Buddhism, and certainly there is none on the page, unless such a mention is included in one of the novelizations, which I wouldn't know. On the basis of the lack of content verifying the category, I removed the category. John Carter 00:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Trumpet

I'm not sure why, every so often, someone swoops in and removes the information that Blade is an accomplished jazz trumpeter. This is so well established in the early comics that I can only assume it's people familiar with only the movies. Whoever you people are - please stop it. In the comics, he's an accomplished jazz trumpeter. Rabidwolfe (talk) 22:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure when the information was removed, but if you can add a source to indicate as much, like a reference to a specific issue, that'll probably solve the problem. I'm not sure whether you're referring to text or categories, though, and some might object to the category being added, given that it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal in his characterization. John Carter (talk) 00:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not the category, as it clearly falls under "abilities" in the "Powers and abilities" section. I'll dig out my old comics and look for a reference, though it's mentioned in several comics.Rabidwolfe (talk) 01:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not at all sure it does fall under "abilities". That section is supposed to be related to the attributes the character has which are specifically relevant to his heroic or villanous activities in comics. So Superman's abilities which specifically relate to his heroic activities would appear there, for instance, but not necessarily his skill as a writer and investigate reporter. Those abilities don't directly relate to his primary activities in comics. While that content would be reasonable to include in the main body of the article, unless it has played a specific role in his "heroic" activities, it probably isn't relevant for the infobox. John Carter (talk) 01:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Possibly, although it does relate to his origin (the man who trained him to hunt vamps also taught him trumpet) and it was a plot point in enough early comics that it seems odd to leave it out. Perhaps if it had only been mentioned in passing once or twice, but it is something that makes him unique, is directly connected to his origin, and served as a plot point more than once. Rabidwolfe (talk) 16:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Probably true, and probably sufficient basis to include the information in the article, probably in the Fictional character biography section. But unless the ability features prominently in the character's heroic or villanous activities directly, like in this case maybe playing the trumpet to ward off vampires, it probably shouldn't be included in the infobox. I guess the article on Mal Duncan is probably the best parallel case here. The infobox doesn't note that Mal is an accomplished musician in that article, although his music (and particularly his horn) are very relevant to the later character. John Carter (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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Marvel Zombies?

Im sure Blade must have appeared in Marvel Zombies at one point. If he has can someone please add it onto the page The Editor 155 (talk) 19:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Weaponry of Blade

So the page was deleted without any of the material being copied for merger here? --Xero (talk) 19:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

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Re: "Blade (character)"

The reason I undid this good-faith edit is that there are several characters named Blade listed at the dismabig page, so "Blade (character) cannot work here. There needed to have been a move discussion. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:30, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Proposed move to "Blade (Marvel character)"

I screwed up with my original move by not really thinking and checking, I think this title would be the most fitting.★Trekker (talk) 20:51, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I can understand the reasoning for "Marvel" since Blade appears in both Marvel Comics and in Marvel Television productions. For the sake of consistency, we might want to note articles such as Daredevil (Marvel Comics character). Daredevil also appears in both media, and like Blade originated in comics. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:03, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

I'd also note the best way to do this might be to follow Wikipedia:Requested moves. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 18 September 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. Some alternative proposals have also been discussed in this request. Amongst them, Blade (character) some support, however the discussion was not adequate, like with other proposals. Therefore a new, separate discussion will be required in order to reach a consensus.(closed by non-admin page mover) Kostas20142 (talk) 17:22, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

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Blade (comics) → Blade (Marvel Comics character) – In accordance with the new guidelines for disambiguation/naming conventions for the comic project I recommend that the article be moved. ★Trekker (talk) 17:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I would think that simply (Marvel character) could work too.★Trekker (talk) 17:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support for (Marvel character) - I am not aware of the new conventions, but Blade (comics) just seems vague. There are plenty of 'blades' featured in comics, and specifying couldn't hurt in my opinion. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 18:49, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: Why not Blade (Marvel Comics)? I understand that there are other characters named Blade but (Marvel Comics character) or (Marvel character) is overly precise. Per WP:ATDAB: "when a more detailed title is necessary to distinguish an article topic from another, use only as much additional detail as necessary. For example, it would be redundant to title an article "Queen (rock band)", as Queen (band) is precise enough."--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Since this is a character article, the MOS says it should be (character) instead of (comics). Leaving it as (Marvel Comics) won't fix that issue. There aren't any articles the Blade comics right now. @*Treker:, are you proposing this move to make room for them, or just on procedural grounds? Argento Surfer (talk) 20:15, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
    • While I have been planning on making an article for the Blade comic for a while now it's not a top priority among my projects right now, so I'd say this is mostly to enforce the comic projects new guidlines for naming conventions which was adopted a couple of months ago.★Trekker (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
      • The Guideline also says the publisher name can be used to differentiate between characters, I see no reason to use both in this case and for that reason I will Oppose.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:31, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
• As there is no other Blade (character) to dismbiguate from (and that link links to this article), the article title should be Blade (character) per all the titling guidelines. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:44, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

The redirect exists because I tried moving it there recently but it was reverted.★Trekker (talk) 22:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

It looks like there are a couple other characters at Blade (disambiguation), but neither has an actual article; a sound argument could be made that this article is WP:PRIMARY, but failing that, dabbing by owner would be the next choice. Perhaps there should be a larger discussion on whether (Marvel Entertainment character) or even just (Marvel character) would be more appropriate. I'm leaning towards the latter. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

• Move to Blade (character), the "Marvel Comics" part is an unnecessary disambiguation. The original page title was fine and should never have been moved._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:37, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Actually it was on (comics) first, I tried to move it to (character) but it was reverted.★Trekker (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

There are multiple characters in literature and popular culture named Blade, so "Blade (character)" wouldn't work. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

But none of them have article, which is what wikipedia goes by.★Trekker (talk) 17:11, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Exactly. None of them have articles, so that doesn't make a difference. My vote is unchanged._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:25, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I was pointing that out to Tenebrae, I have a feeling the comic project will have to have another discussion on this subject since it still seems divisive.★Trekker (talk) 05:26, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

• Opppose - I strongly object to the renaming of this page. In addition to what those who had opposed had said, we would've only needed to do [insert comic book character name here] (character) if they had solo issues like they did for Wolverine, Iceman, Kingpin, and Joker. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:04, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

• Support for Blade (Marvel Comics character) - Similar to Daredevil (Marvel Comics character) and Daredevil (Marvel Comics series), moving this article to Blade (Marvel Comics character) now will allow the creation of a stand alone article for the comic book series. Mtminchi08 (talk) 08:36, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
• Support Blade (character) as the character is actually better known outside of comics. Adding "Marvel Comics" is unnecessary without some other article on a character of the same name.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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