Talk:David

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Biography / Royalty and Nobility (Rated B-class)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility.
 
WikiProject Bible (Rated B-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Bible, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the Bible on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Religion (Rated B-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Religion, a project to improve Wikipedia's articles on Religion-related subjects. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the wikiproject page for more details.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Christianity / Saints (Rated B-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by WikiProject Saints (marked as High-importance).
 
WikiProject Judaism (Rated B-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Judaism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Judaism-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Islam  
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Islam, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Islam-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's quality scale.
 ???  This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Jewish history (Rated B-class, High-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jewish history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jewish history on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 High  This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject LGBT studies (Rated B-class)
WikiProject icon This article is of interest to WikiProject LGBT studies, which tries to ensure comprehensive and factual coverage of all LGBT-related issues on Wikipedia. For more information, or to get involved, please visit the project page or contribute to the discussion.
Explanation for inclusion in WikiProject LGBT studies: "A few biblical scholars have suggested David and Jonathan had a non-platonic relationship"
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 
Wikipedia Version 1.0 Editorial Team / v0.7
WikiProject icon This article has been reviewed by the Version 1.0 Editorial Team.
Taskforce icon
This article has been selected for Version 0.7 and subsequent release versions of Wikipedia.
 
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale.

BC/E[edit]

I changed some BCE's to BC's so the article is consistent. If someone wants to change back to BCE, fine, but please change them all so we don't have the mixed-style problem that lingered for years at Jesus. Joefromrandb (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the article was created with "BC" dating. StAnselm (talk) 22:15, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
In that case, it should probably remain "BC", absent a compelling reason to change it. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I would think all articles on Jewish topics would use BCE. The compelling reason seems self-evident to me. Aristophanes68 (talk) 22:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

A tense situation![edit]

The tense of the article varies. Present tense is used for some of it. Present tense is used in Wikipedia for works of fiction. Past tense for history. Sometimes past tense is used in the article (see "Family"). I would prefer past tense myself. But either way, it should be standard throughout the article. (exceptions may be for events that occurred prior to the scripture recording it). Student7 (talk) 19:09, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. I think it should be past tense. Perhaps we could have: "According to the biblical narrative, the prophet Samuel sought a new king from the sons of Jesse of Bethlehem." StAnselm (talk) 20:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done StAnselm (talk) 21:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Cannan v Palestine[edit]

Why not use Syria-Palestine or Israel Palestine, rather than the POV biblical term Cannan? Here are some uses. http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Minimalism.shtml


http://www.jmm.org.au/articles/9246.htm s-p


http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/article_history_reid.html


http://northstatescience.wordpress.com/2008/03/02/questioning-the-integrity-of-biblical-archaeology/

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/dav358019.shtml 86.174.5.65 (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Birthplace claim[edit]

The article states as fact that he was born in Bethlehem. On what basis? If it's in the Bible, that needs to be made explicit. If it's not, why isn't that mentioned? Dougweller (talk) 10:07, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't think the Bible is explicit that he was born there, but it's strongly implied since he lived there with his family (father and brothers, 1 Samuel 16:1-5), tended his father's sheep in Bethlehem (1 Samuel 17:15) and his great-grandparents also lived there (Ruth 2:4, 4:11). Anyway, academic secondary sources seem to take it for granted that Bethlehem is intended as David's birthplace in the biblical narrative (see e.g. [1] and [2]). - Lindert (talk) 11:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

If you read Luke ch 2 Joseph went from Nazareth to Bethlehem because he was of the lineage of David since luke refers to Bethlehem as the city of David and that Joseph is of the lineage and house of David. 1 Samuel ch 17 verse 12 says David is the son of an Ephrathire of Bethlehem named Jess. Since his father and family lived and tended sheep in Bethlehem it is pretty safe to say he is from Bethlehem. 2001:5B0:24FF:3EF0:0:0:0:3C (talk) 06:24, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

In other words, it seems pretty likely but we have no proof - it's simply assumed or taken for granted. So we need to state it in such a way that Wikipedia isn't saying that it is a fact. How about 'traditionally considered to be Bethlehem'? Dougweller (talk) 11:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Saul rejected?[edit]

Why is the section called 'Saul rejected' called Saul rejected? If there is not some fault with my browser that puts a picture over part of the text, I'm pretty sure Saul is not mentioned in it at all. Also the next section starts with 'As punishment', which raises the question: as punishment for what? Certainly not for something in the previous section, since, as I pointed out before, Saul is not in there. Can someone please clarify? Thanks in advance! Octonion (talk) 01:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

This section definitely needed some work. I've fixed it up to take care of the concerns that you raised; take a look and tell me if this addresses them adequately. Cheers! - Ecjmartin (talk) 23:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)