Talk:Day of the Dead

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dia de los muertos[edit]

the correct spanish translation should be "Suck It" not lick it, this is the way the celebration is called in Mexico.

removed link[edit]

Removed external link. The link is a pice of shit and the site is not in English nor in Spanish (looks like Chinese)Días de los Muertos photo and information site.

Dia de Muertos is different from All Saints Day but it is hard to explain[edit]

I would like to stress that the article should refer only to the Mexican Dia de Muertos. By this I mean, this celebration is not the same as All Saints Day, rather it is a mix between the original traditions of the Aztecs and the Catholic festivity. This is something that most people in this Talk section fail to understand. This article is not about "how Mexicans celebrate the All Saints Day", Dia de Muertos has evolved in a festivity of its own which blends and overlaps with the All Saints Day. This is why it's so difficult to explain to a broader audience. Originally, it was a collection of pre-Columbian rites honouring the deceased; as the Spanish colonizers arrived, they took the rites and made them to coincide with the All Saints Day. This was the brilliance of their doing: instead of just banning and eradicating a pagan celebration, they shaped it, and brought it closer to Catholic traditions. This is how eventually the conquerors managed to gain the trust of the natives and convert them to the Christian faith, not by way of extermination, but by shaping their beliefs. I am not an expert, but I believe this contrasts with the way colonization happened in the modern United States and Canada.

To me, Dia de Muertos is an interesting phenomenon in that it basically consists of customs that are strictly pagan (not-Christian), but which nevertheless are observed by Mexican Catholics, but also by the general population, adherent to an organised religion or not. Why would the Catholic church tolerate a pagan rite then? My explanation is that Dia de Muertos is a harmless celebration that, in general, aligns with the principles of the church to promote good will (to remember the deceased, to be good and be aware of one's own mortality). So, even if some paganism is involved, as long as it keeps the people engaged in the church, everything is fine. Trying to set up a parallel example here, I feel it would be like a faithful Chinese Catholic setting an altar for Budda or similar. Strictly speaking, Budda is a pagan character, but as long as it does not go in confrontation with the Catholic belief system, everything is fine. 92.231.43.202 (talk) 20:18, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

"This is how eventually the conquerors managed to gain the trust of the natives and convert them to the Christian faith, not by way of extermination, but by shaping their beliefs."
Burning disbelievers at the stake also helped. Kaldari (talk) 01:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
Also, by discussing other cultures, their own traditions of honoring the dead get trivialized by a brief gloss in comparison to the Mexican Day of the Dead. Every culture has honored the dead. A non-Hispanic culture picking up elements of Day of the Dead is like the popular spread of Mardi Gras, increasingly removed from its origins.Parkwells (talk) 15:01, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
"Day of the Dead (Spanish: Día de Muertos) is a Mexican holiday observed throughout Mexico and around the world in other cultures." This should be edited so as not to read as if other countries around the world got their idea of this holiday directly from Mexican culture, unless they particularly did. If nothing else, the sentence tries to be too broad and ends up seeming to contradict itself.

I agree that ″the article should refer only to the Mexican Dia de Muertos″ and also (as Parkwells said) that ″by discussing other cultures, their own traditions of honoring the dead get trivialized by a brief gloss in comparison to the Mexican Day of the Dead. Every culture has honored the dead. A non-Hispanic culture picking up elements of Day of the Dead is like the popular spread of Mardi Gras, increasingly removed from its origins.″ Nlaylah (talk) 22:52, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Is it 1, 2, or 3 days long?[edit]

While reading this article, I first got the impression that Day of the Dead was 1 day long: "... the day is a bank holiday", "Date: October 31". Reading further, I learn it is actually 3 days long: "The celebration takes place on October 31, November 1 and November 2", "Begins: October 31; Ends: November 2". Reading even further, however, I discover both of those are wrong and the holiday is actually 2 days long: "Duration: 2 days". So I give up. How long is Day of the Dead?? Kaldari (talk) 05:09, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Duration varies by local tradition. In my experience (10 years) here, Ive seen anywhere from 1 to three days. Its it is one day, it is November 2, with November 1 and sometimes 31 October.Thelmadatter (talk) 03:09, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Pixar project[edit]

Pixar is going to make a film about Dia de Los Muertos in 2016. 68.4.46.214 (talk) 14:47, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done The Pixar project is a movie tentatively titled Dia de los Muertos, not about day of the dead. It seems to be a zombie film of some sort, not relevant for this article about the holiday. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 16:01, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2014[edit]

Pixar is going to make a film about Dia de los Muertos in TBA. 68.99.188.247 (talk) 00:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source for this information? -- Fyrael (talk) 04:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Try Pixar. I'd suggest it's too early. Once the movie has actually been made and a release date exists, it might be worth adding a disambiguation link to the movie page which will undoubtedly be created. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 05:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, you may want to see WP:CRYSTALBALL. — {{U|Technical 13}} (tec) 19:20, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Actual dates the children and adult spirits return for Dia de los Muertos[edit]

On a recent vacation trip to Oaxaca city for a tour of the area and Day of the Dead festivities, our tour guide said the children return on the night of November 1st and the adults return the night of November 2nd. Here are some links that state that these are the correct dates -

http://www.unm.edu/~htafoya/dayofthedead.html http://www.inside-mexico.com/featuredead.htm http://www.celebrate-day-of-the-dead.com/day-of-the-dead-facts.html http://banderasnews.com/0610/vl-dialosmuertos.htm

I also read one link that states what is mentioned in this article. Who would be the ultimate authority?

GlobalCitizenX (talk) 18:47, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Possible error[edit]

In the side box the celebration are described as 'Synthetic Christian' - I think it more likely the author intended 'Syncretic Christian'. Auto-correct strikes again?

2601:9:680:7ED:9C2A:113C:EE6E:DC62 (talk) 13:26, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Tricia Rose rosamutabilis@gmail.com

Wrong dates for Day of the Dead[edit]

The following sentence: "The celebration takes place on October 31, November 1 and November 2, in connection with the triduum of Allhallowtide: All Hallows' Eve, Hallowmas, and All Souls' Day.[1][2] " Is incorrect Day of the Dead takes place on November 1st and 2nd and has zero connections to All Hallows' Eve, Hallowmas, and anything else to do with Halloween[1] [2] [3]. The second source provided ("The Bread Basket") is very questionable, and I'm assuming this is the one used for the October 31st date.

Chilaquilx (talk) 20:55, 31 October 2014 (UTC) Mel (chilaquilx)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2014[edit]

There is a typo in the fourth paragraph of the Intro to this article (beginning "Originally, the Day of the Dead as such ..."). The typo is in the second sentence, which begins, "However, in presence day Maxico,...". This should read "However, in present day Mexico..." Dmcesq (talk) 12:13, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Cannolis (talk) 12:40, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

All Saints' Day in New Orleans[edit]

In some ways the New Orleans tradition of going to the cemeteries on All Saints Day is similar, yet different, from the Day of the Dead. In New Orleans on the day after Halloween, many take fresh flowers to the graves of their loved ones. They clean the graves and leave new flowers. Of course, most of the graves are above ground, because the city is generally below sea level. There is no iconography of skulls and skeletons, for that is over with Halloween. Still, the emphasis on the graves and thinking of lost relatives is similar to the Day of the Dead and occurs at the same time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.80.50 (talk) 04:23, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

New Orleans reflects its European Catholic culture in the timing of this visiting cemeteries, and every culture has had some traditions of recognizing the dead. The Mexican Day of the Dead is one particular manifestation.Parkwells (talk) 15:05, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2014[edit]

In one of the first few paragraphs of the article, triduum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triduum) is incorrectly spelled tridium. 128.220.64.139 (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 16:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2014[edit]

The SPANISH for Day of the Dead is : "Dia de LOS Muertos" Not "Dia de Muertos."

Thank you.

107.142.184.151 (talk) 19:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done As a literal translation, yes. But the name of the Mexican festividad (the subject of this article) is El Día de Muertos. Bagunceiro (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2014[edit]

Day of the Dead 24.165.80.219 (talk) 19:41, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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