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The first oval dome may be St. Gereon's Basilica in Cologne, Germany. The oval cupola was completed in 1227, well before the Renaissance or Baroque.
I merged saucer dome and incorporated more pics, but this article needs sections on history and construction techniques. Now it is much better --Tysto 01:53, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Merge from cupola?
I think cupola is not an exact synonym, but represents a subset of architectural domes, sometimes meaning a small or ornamental dome. It's still a good candidate for merging, especially since both articles are currently headed by a photo of the same dome! —Michael Z. 2006-08-10 17:27 Z
- I'm thinking the same. At least the difference between a dome and a cupola should be specified better in the article. German Wikipedia has Kuppel and both "Dome" and "Cupola" link to it. --Hartz (talk) 16:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
- Certainly not, a cupola and a dome are not the same thing at all, and cupola's are seldom domed shaped. Both dome and cupola can be used and often are independent of the other Pour example: Image:Belton Roof.gif. Neither is the image illustrating bith pages a domed cupola Image:StPetersDomePD.jpg Giano (talk) 17:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I have been told that a cupola is the underside of a dome, so you sit under a cupola, From the outside, what you see is the dome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 05:09, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I have seen it used that way, as another word for the "intrados" or inner side of a dome. It is also used to refer to a small domed lantern. One of the frustrating aspects of this topic is the lack of a single standardized terminology across all of the sources. AmateurEditor (talk) 21:28, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I recall from my studies that the Duomo of the Santa Maria del Fiore in Florence is considered the first engineered dome, and was the world's largest for a long time. Don't know if I have that completely correct, but it bears mentioning. I'd like to see photos of the significant Hagia Sophia and the Duomo in this article. —Michael Z. 2006-08-10 17:34 Z
- Then the definition of "engineered" in this sense would mean "aided by mathematics" or "aided by technology"? In what sense then were previous domes "not engineered"? --Wetman 18:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- I believe it was designed using mathematical or statics formulas to predict the loads and design the required structure, rather than using empirically-determined or traditional rules of thumb, or trial-and-error. This is from an old architectural history class, and I don't remember the exact details. It seemed significant, but I didn't want to add it to the article as mere hearsay. —Michael Z. 2006-08-10 21:03 Z
- Doesn't the dome of the rock predate all of these by over a thousand years? it was constructed in 691 and is the oldest islamic structure in existence, however the article states: "Domes that have been disproportionately influential in later architecture are those of the Great Stupa in Sanchi (actually, a solid mound with stone facing), the Pantheon in Rome, Hagia Sophia in Istanbul (or in that time Constantinople), and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem" while stating that the original domes were constructed much later?
- Either this needs to be clarified or something doesn't add up. I could be wrong but it appears there has been more Islamic influence in subsequent architectural styles in Europe and the Mediterranean than is being recognized if in fact credit for the original creation of the dome is being given to individuals like Vignola from the 1500's. ~
- Vignola is being given credit not for the invention of the dome but for the invention of the OVAL dome. But you're right that this article is weirdly short on history--it says next to nothing about the historic context of the invention of the dome, or the adoption of coffering, or the use of steel or other materials, or the invention of the geodesic dome, or the use of computers in dome design. (Both the Pantheon and the Hagia Sofia predate Islam, by the way.) 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Reference to Jerusalem
An edit was made which changed 'Jerusalem, Israel' to 'Jerusalem, Occupied Palestinian Territories'. I've since changed the reference to only 'Jerusalem' in order to forestall a potential edit war, after having read part of Talk:Jerusalem. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
what domes represent in buildings of worship
Primitive and prehistoric dwellings
This article could really use a section on pre-Roman/non-European examples of domes in structures. The intro briefly mentions their use in the ancient Middle East without giving any examples. Certainly, the Treasury of Atreus should be mentioned, as well as more recent Native American dwellings like the Wigwam and Igloo.
Also, a pet peeve: I hate when topics of prehistory are written as if we have complete knowledge of the past. I changed the wording in the intro which states Nero's Golden House is the earliest domestic dome even though the same intro acknowledges domes extend back into prehistory. It is extremely likely that primitive peoples used domed dwellings well before Nero (see Wigwam above). AmateurEditor (talk) 21:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
There was an instance in the article (that I changed) where Hagia Sophia and Hagia Irene were translated as Divine Wisdom and Divine Peace. I've only ever heard of the Greek word hagia meaning "holy/sacred" when preceding an inanimate object or abstract concept, and the title "Saint" when referring to canonized individuals. "Divine" doesn't really mean the same thing, and it's definitely not the typical translation. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 20:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
I want to change the references system currently used in the article to one used on some featured level articles (such as this one and this one). It makes recording and later finding page numbers easier and separates notes, citations, and bibliography in a neat way. I am aware that Wikipedia discourages making this kind of change when a reference system has already been established for an article, but I think the advantages for others to check references in any upcoming class evaluation alone justifies it. I just want to be sure that there are no objections to me doing this when I can. It will will take a while to complete. AmateurEditor (talk) 02:57, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Un-cited use of this article's lede in an academic paper
Surprisingly, the following article copies the lede paragraphs of this article verbatim and without acknowledgement: "ANALYSIS AND DESIGN OF STEEL DOME USING SOFTWARE" by Anuj Chandiwala, Assistant Professor, Civil Engineering Department, Chhotubhai Gopalbhai Patel Institute of Technology, Gujarat, India. It's a good example of WP:CIRCULAR. I'm posting this here for future reference. AmateurEditor (talk) 01:20, 17 July 2014 (UTC)