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The last paragraph of the lead states "On January 12, 2010, a 7.0 magnitude earthquake struck Haiti and devastated the capital city, Port-au-Prince. Although the exact number was difficult to determine, an estimated 316,000 people were killed."
Either the reference or the number needs changing. Referenced article is titled "Haiti quake death toll rises to 230,000" and is also used to support this figure later in the article. Kmitch87 (talk) 22:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Most likely should be changed to the lower figure. The problem is the Haitian government, the least likely to have accurate figures threw darts and made that guess early on and never backed down, figuring that the publicity would help the country, I suppose. No one still has any idea, but the other figures are neutral and have no axe to grind. The figure is much less. Having said that, the magnitude of the quake would prevent anyone from "running out of a building" to escape. They would be thrown about too much. And not having experienced a severe earthquake anyway, would not really know what to do. Anyone caught indoors in a stone building was probably killed or injured. Might have survived in a building with another construction. So there were definitely a lot of deaths.
So anyway, the best guesses are from foreign volunteer agencies which are available. We have editors who like high figures for various reasons. They have objected to using the lower figures. You may change them if you wish. Student7 (talk) 02:15, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Haiti resides on a fault line, this is due to the geographic location. 85,000 years ago it was a continent attached to the faroe islands, now its scattered pieces remain above it, jamaica for instance is part of the bermuda islands that scatters all over the place. It was a continent in the southern pacific and atlantic. It went up north and collided with cuba. The earthquakes are common in haiti and always have been. Its def something to look into. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
We need something like what you just wrote, under "Geology" with three equal signs under Geography (a subtopic of geography). It would include the fault line. It needs a WP:RS even for that. The fault line has a name and it's own article. The rest is "geologic history" and we don't really have a place for that. The last major earthquake in Haiti was a long time ago. Not something that could be predicted or "built against" like Japan and the West Coast of US does. Nearly everyplace, except Florida, has earthquakes of some magnitude. Student7 (talk) 21:52, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Apologies for dramatic tag. Couldn't find one that seemed appropriate to the ONE sentence that didn't seem right. I am not criticizing the whole article.
Paul Farmer is definitely a very notable person. But for medicine and anthropology not history. This is ancient stuff and you can probably find something a little better worded and with improved accuracy from a historian. Student7 (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how you've got that impression, but he's certainly notable for his history and current events as well. "The Uses of Haiti" is a politics/history book, not really a medical book (though it briefly touches on medical subjects in the context of current events and history), and it's widely acclaimed (including among academics) and widely sold. In that book he charts some obscure facts of history that don't get mention in many other histories of Haiti: the trade in extracted Haitian blood, the early development of AIDS on the island, the nuances of US policy during the '91 coup, the treatment of interned refugees in Guantanamo bay (including particularly harsh treatment of those who are HIV positive). The last issue is one which other academics have cited him for. His more recent book, "After the Earthquake," details some historical issues like the recent involvement of Cuban doctors on the island and their uniquely effective impact (when measured relative to the countless North American and European NGO's, whose efficacy is often negligible despite good intentions). In this last book, his medical and historical fields overlap, as he is perhaps the foremost authority in his ability to evaluate the history of NGOs in Haiti. He's interviewed on non-medical subjects, including Haitian politics, all the time. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:05, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
the 2004 coup is referred to as a coup, not a rebellion
See the page for 2004 Haitian coup d'état -- per the discussion on that page, it's been decided that "rebellion" is a misnomer. Rebellion suggests some sort of popular uprising rather than military/paramilitary takeover. The agents in the takeover included ex-military paramilitaries, and members of the Haitian National Police who had been co-opted by the opposition. That makes it a coup. Not to mention the allegations that US military forces "kidnapped" Aristide (and the established fact that, after Aristide's removal, the US military collaborated with the paramilitaries and police in perpetrating violence against Aristide's supporters among the civilian populace). This has all been discussed on the edit page for the article linked above, where it was also mentioned that "rebellion" has been the preferred term only among the anti-Aristide camp because it falsely implies mass popular support for the event and also because it conveniently discounts the institutional forces at work behind Aristide's overthrow. Please change? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:01, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I couldn't help but notice, most other articles about nation-states include information about the day that the government officially celebrates independence. Given that Haiti has such a complex history of rebellions and coups, it would be nice to have an easy reference of the "official" date of Haitian independence. According to the CIA World Factbook website, here: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ha.html, Haiti celebrates their Independence Day on January 1, 1804. Please change. (126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC))
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haiti contains 85% blacks and 15% Mullato & white Curlyhairedchick (talk) 01:08, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, we have a source that says otherwise (95 and 5). If you have a different source you may provide one here, but please don't change figures on articles without providing a source. Dawnseeker2000 01:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Number of dead in the 2010 Earthquake and citation
The text states "316,000" died in the earthquake. The citation links to an article about Sean Penn, in which it is claimed that "up to a quarter of a million" perished. The number as given in the article is obviously incorrect, and needs to be changed. In addition, a more reliable source than Sean Penn needs to be provided.188.8.131.52 (talk) 14:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
There was a link to indigo (First paragraph under History-->Treaty of Ryswick and French colony (1697) "devoted land to the cultivation of coffee and indigo" where indigo linked to an article on the color but obviously shouldn't. Since the indigo is used a few paragraphs down in a context where it must mean the same thing (and is the only indigo export that I know of) I felt confident that changing the link for indigo "cultivation of coffee and indigo" but thought that I should note it anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 07:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Accent marks are not available on the English keyboard. When I read a text (in English) and wish to search for (say) "Hebert", it is not helpful when someone has placed foreign accents on an (in effect) translated name. Same with Japanese or Russian or any other non-English language. We are not trying to turn English into French. English has absorbed many words from French over the years. But without the accents, diacriticals, etc. They aren't on the keyboard. We should not need an "easy workaround." We should not need any workaround. And we won't, if editors would only use the English alphabet. Student7 (talk) 20:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand your argument. The word "Hébert" refers to someone's name. Surely the only reason it should not be accented is if that is not a correct representation of the name? Why do you say it is not possible to copy the accented name from the text and paste it into your searchbar? Also, words in English do have accents, diacritcs etc. e.g naïve, naïveté. And how does your approach work with English people who have names with diacritics e.g. Charlotte Brontë? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:07, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Short answer: there is nothing to copy and paste. Or even copy.
This may sound strange to you, but I actually read printed material. It is written in English. It has no accents whatever. Often there is no accent online either for the same reason. We have no circumflex, no umlats, no Cyrillic letters, no Kanji. The language of the en.wikipedia is English. There are no letters that have "helpful" accent marks on them. We sometimes find that people whose first language is English and who have read something (only), pronounce it incorrectly, because they have never heard it spoken. English normally drops on the last syllable (unaccented?). Except when it doesn't. You just have to know. You are incorrect about naive. There are no helpful marks. I tried one suggested way of getting foreign accents on my keyboard and failed. I don't know why I would want them anyway.
Messing up some future English editor's search is unhelpful. It would be just like omitting accent marks in French. It would mess up a Francophone's search for something. It would be just as wrong to omit them in fr.wikipedia as it is to insert them in en.wikipedia. And for the same reason. Searches fail.
We are not trying to get English speakers to learn French (or any other language). We are trying to give them information that they can search on using their English keyboards and search engines. Student7 (talk) 21:42, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I understand the point you are making regarding searching from printed material, but it is invalid. If I type "Jean Hebert" (no accent) into my searchbar, the first page which google lists is the Wikipedia article for "Jean Hébert" (with accent), thus proving that it is quite possible to access online material with accents via a search word that lacks them. By the way, do you suggest that the title of that article is incorrect for the English Wikipedia?
I am not 'incorrect' about naïve; my Collins English dictionary (1985) lists "naive, naïve or naïf" and also "naiveté, naïveté or naivety" as accepted spellings.
You did not address my question about Charlotte Brontë; perhaps you don't object to that because she wasn't "foreign"?
There are phrases and words used in English which are borrowed directly from other languages and which retain their accents etc. (e.g. coup d'état, glacé cherries); do you suggest these should be rewritten to fit your view of what constitutes the English language?
Some of your other arguments lack rigour ("You just have to know", "I don't know why I would want them anyway"). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
As you might imagine, this is not the first time the use of (non-English) diacritics have been discussed in the English Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Usage of diacritics, one of many failed proposals. As I've mentioned above, they are hard to use and support. There is no current justification for using foreign language accents or letters in the English Wikipedia. Student7 (talk) 21:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I have had a look at what the MOS states concerning this topic, the most relevant text being "The use of diacritics (such as accent marks) for foreign words is neither encouraged nor discouraged; their usage depends on whether they appear in verifiable reliable sources in English and on the constraints imposed by specialized Wikipedia guidelines". It appears the deciding factor is how the word is used in the (English language) sources, rather than any of the arguments either you or I were putting forward. I should have looked at the MOS in the first place. I wouldn't advise removing diacritics as part of a personal commitment to doing so; it depends on the sources. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi I'm from the beautiful island of Haiti. My is question regarding Haiti ethnic groups.Haiti was ruled by France for 107 years how come 5 percent is mulatto and white and 95 percent pure black when you look at southern Haitians they are mixed french and African and Taino or Arwark and Carib Indians dna( the first inhabitant of Haiti) like Fond Des Blanc ,Jacmel ,Les Cayes,Jeremie and etc.. and Northern and West Haiti like Port de Paix ,Gros Morne,Milot and Cap Haitien and also Eastern Haitian from Capotille,Quanaminthe,Mont -Orgranise have Spanish Dna because of the Africans that mixed with the Spainard and don't forget Haiti was ruled by Spain before the French took over. Many Haitans are mixed like Jean pierre Boyer,Andre Riguad,Vincent Oge,Stenio Vincent,Louis Borno,Jacques Romain,Charles Rivard Henerie,Nissage Sagget, Sudre Dartiguenave,Tancrede Augeste,Heri Namphy,Michel Martelly,Garcelle Beauvias,John James Audubon,Guy Sansaricq, Tvice,Carimi,Mawon,Evelyn Miot,Sarodj Bertin and many more.The capital area Port Au Prince population is more likey pure African descent(as seen on the television which is one-fourth of Haiti's population) but except Pettionville which is a multicultural .I would say Haiti's population is 25-30 percent is pure African descent ,20-25 percent is African and French descent,5-10 percent is Spanish and African descent,25-30 percent is Taino and African descent,about 5-10 percent is white mostly Arab ,German ,and Jewish(Remember United States Soliders of German descent)and 15-20 percent is multicultural and 2-5 percent is other.Haiti is not 95 percent Black and 5 percent mulatto and whites and I've seen my fair share of mixed and pure black Haitians and the remember Haitian government doesn't do census so image how many are mixed,white,black and other races,and in Haiti person who's mixed is considered to have almost completely Euro DNA and not half ,or quarter or even five percent like in the USA,Europe and other parts of Latin america and if Haitians were pure African descent they would probably be able to speak native African tongues instead of Haitian Kreyol and French .Thank you for reading my request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayiti12 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)