Talk:Lehi (group)

Terrorism Template

I think this should be added to the article.93.96.148.42 (talk) 02:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC) {{terrorism}}

Why? It presents NPOV problems. The article currently says that Lehi was described as terrorist, and it attributes those descriptions. How does the template help the reader? — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 02:53, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Your argument seems to be against the template itself, rather than the addition of the template to this article. Lehi is a fine example of not only a terrorist group, but the success political violence can bring (case in point, the creation of Israel). CapitalElll (talk) 19:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

There does not seem to be a case for applying this template here. We do not apply the template to organizations which are even callest terrorists by most of the world. Cases in point: Palestine Liberation Organization, Hamas. Aside from that, I am categorically opposed to navigation templates of this type, but that of course has nothing to do with the NPOV issue. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

If Lehi was not a terrorist organisation, then there have been no terrorist organisations. But I am also opposed to templates like this so I am not going to insert this one here. Zero^talk 00:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Recent revert

I recently made this edit [1] which was reverted with a summary calling it "a massive copyright vio" and Mike Shabazz put a huge template on my talk page. This is simply not true. I put up material that was sourced and relevant and NOT plagiarized. The reversion erased important context. Stellarkid (talk) 13:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I might add that the entire section Foundations and Founding contained not one reference prior to my edit, so was on the face of it WP:OR. If there were some wording that was too like the original, it would have been better to change it than to simply dump the material with a terse edit summary and then plaster a nasty template on the editor's talk page. Stellarkid (talk) 13:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:COPYVIO. Nearly everything you added to the article was copied verbatim from Colin Shindler's The Land Beyond Promise: Israel, Likud and the Zionist Dream.

If you look below the edit window, you'll see a sentence that says "Content that violates any copyrights will be deleted." Per policy, I deleted the offending material. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 17:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

That's simply not so. Stellarkid (talk) 00:09, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you really want me to go through the article and highlight every sentence you copied? — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 00:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Stellarkid: While Jabotinsky had hoped that diplomacy and Britain would prevail for the Jewish cause, Stern argued that the era of Zionist diplomacy had come to an end and the time had come for armed struggle against the British.

Shindler: [Jabotinsky] put his faith in diplomacy and Britain ... Avraham Stern, a leading Irgun militant, argued that the era of Zionist diplomacy had come to an end. ... the only way forward was armed struggle against the British.

Stellarkid: In 1940, the idea of the Final Solution was still "unthinkable," and Stern believed that Hitler wanted to make Germany judenrein through emigration, as opposed to extermination.

Shindler: ... the very idea of the Final Solution was unthinkable in 1940. ... Stern believed that Hitler wanted Germany to be judenrein through emigration.

Stellarkid: In December of 1940, he initiated contact with Nazi authorities, in order to enlist their aid in establishing the Jewish state in Palestine open to Jewish refugees from Nazism. He proposed to recruit some 40,000 Jews from occupied Europe with the intention of invading Palestine to oust the British.

Shindler: Thus, in December 1940, Stern sent an emissary to meet a representative of the German Foreign Office in Beirut. ... requested the recruitment of 40,000 Jews from occupied Europe for a purposed invasion of Palestine to oust the British.

Stellarkid: The Germans did not take this proposal seriously, however, and nothing was to come of it.

Shindler: The Germans did not take the proposal seriously.

Stellarkid, what do you propose we do about your plagiarism? — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Bad footnote reference?

It appears to me that the footnote provided in the three main goals (under section Goals and methods) given as footnote[10] - Heller, p. 112, quoted in Perliger and Weinberg, 2003, pp. 106-107 is bad. I don't see it in the Heller book on the page given, but I do see it here, Religious fundamentalism and political extremism -- By Leonard Weinberg, Ami Pedahzur [2] pg 106. I don't like to mess around with other people's footnotes but ... Maybe the originator might want to correct or clarify? Stellarkid (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

If the source is wrong and you found an alternative, by all means change it. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:31, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Text of offer to the Nazis

The text of the Lehi offer to the Nazis has only been completely published in David Yisraeli's thesis. However, there is a transcription of it (in the original German) on the web here. This web site is arguable as a "reliable source", but since I have just now compared the text there word by word against Yisraeli's thesis without finding any differences, I have added the site as a convenience link. I can send a copy of pages 315-317 of Yisraeli's thesis to anyone who asks by email. There is also, here, a transcription of the English translation that appeared in Lenni Brenner's book "The Iron Wall". Zero^talk 03:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Deir Yassin Myth

Deir Yassin was a myth perpetrated by the arabs to entice their hatred for Israel and Jews. http://www.hirhome.com/israel/milstein-deir-yassin.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.233.94 (talk) 07:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Milstein's theories, which are not widely accepted, are mentioned at Deir Yassin massacre. They don't justify deleting sections of this article. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 08:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Polish Support

It is not clear why Polish Army trained Lehi members. What was the reason? Olegwiki (talk) 13:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

They wanted to get rid of the Jews too. They trained them in hopes that they would be successful and all the Jews would leave Poland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.77.78.17 (talk) 06:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Ernst Blevin Plot

I could not find any mention of this in the article, it seems like a fairly significant plot on their part.

https://gloucestershirepsc.wordpress.com/2010/08/ (BBC source) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.125.108.46 (talk) 20:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)