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รัก-ไทย (talk) 18:58, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

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Pat Boone on The Passion

Pat boone has 4 children and he divorced his wife shirley boone and now he hates her and wishes she go to hell and he also hates his 4 kids. (I think this person is confusing Pat Boone with Dr. Pat Boone, a marriage counselor and divorce expert.)

A more serious meeting of celebrities was when Mr. Boone was invited to a private screening of Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ." "After the screening was over, I turned and said, 'Mel, you're an apostle,' " said Mr. Boone, who has appeared in 15 films. "An apostle is one commissioned by God to tell the story and you are telling it more powerfully than it has ever been told or will ever be told, and you are therefore an apostle." "I consider it the most important film ever made. It is a film that is not only of gigantic proportion but one that changes life, that affects people's eternal destiny." It is all the more significant, he said, "because Hollywood has an open antipathy toward Christianity itself." "I knew that early in the game and therefore tried to be [nonconfrontational]," he said. "I know better than to collar people and try to force my views on people." [1]

hmmmm...[edit]

does "fewer in number than Elvis', but significantly higher in quality" belong in an encyclopedia. Doesn't look very subjective to me...

Boone was involved in Amway in the early 1990s, possibly earlier. He reached the rank of Diamond, apparently in 1994, and was featured in an issue of the Amway magazine from around that time. A fair amount about this can be found by Googling "Pat Boone Amway", or "Pat Boone Amway Diamond." =)=)=)=)=)=)=)=)=)=)=)what up where u at i'm the king of that

He graduated from Columbia University's School of General Studies in 1957. http://www.gs.columbia.edu/cgi-bin/newspages.dll/pages?sitename=COLAD&record=451&htmlfile=gsnews2.htm

Removed well-meaning, but inaccurate info from article[edit]

I just took this out of the article:

While there were exceptions, notably Little Richard, most of the singers and songwriters whose work Boone used remained in poverty and obscurity despite his considerable success.

and replaced it with this:

Pat Boone's pale covers gave attention to the more authentic original artists as Little Richard and Fats Domino, and to rhythm and blues in general. In addition, the songwriters and copyright holders benefited even when individual artists did not.

The only R&B songs not by Little Richard or Fats Domino covered by Pat Boone were "I almost lost my mind" by Ivory Joe Hunter, which Boone did a creditable job on, perhaps his best R&B cover, and "At my front door (Crazy Little Mama)", which was a one hit wonder however you slice it.

I was an R&B-mad teenager when Boone hit the streets and I hated him too for his wimpy ripoff versions of great songs, but from the 50-year perspective it is clear that this kind of cleaned-up handholding by white artists was a necessary stage in the development of the music. I have heard that Little Richard once hauled Boone up on the stage and announced, "This is the man who made me a millionaire" before performing "Tutti Frutti" with him.

At any rate, there is no case for saying Pat Boone left people in "poverty and obscurity" because he covered their songs. Best regards, Ortolan88 18:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

What editor out there has a problem with listing Pat Boone's acceptance of a Chair for the Performing Arts at our school. Every time a student adds the information, an editor (could only be from a rival school already on Wikipedia) deletes the information. For Pete sake, Wikipedia won't even allow our school a listing. What kind of prejudice are we experiencing here. What you don't like high schools or what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.227.237 (talkcontribs)

Daniel Boone[edit]

There is an edit war going on over the inclusion of a claim that Pat Boone is descended from Daniel Boone. This claim is, as yet, unsourced and unreferenced. According to WP:BIO this article must be impeccably sourced. Cleduc 14:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I first read it decades ago. There are many sources. I'll try and find one acceptable to you. Meanwhile, what evidence do you have to the contrary? Wahkeenah 16:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC) Just collecting a few from Google:[2][3][4]
  • In this one, he himself says he's a descendant: [5] Wahkeenah 17:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
    • That'll do great. Thanks. Cleduc 19:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Citations & References[edit]

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted the section entitled "Homophobia"[edit]

A reputable encyclopedia must strive for objectivity, rather than engage in agenda-driven swipes at the subjects of articles.

There is no evidence that Pat Boone has an abnormal, irrational psychological fear of homosexuals. Judging by his public statements over the years, his opposition to gays and the gay agenda is based on his evangelical Christian beliefs, and not any great fear of them.

The person who added the section on "Homophobia" hasn't provided any documentation of an official diagnosis of "Homophobia", from a clinical psychologist who has personally examined Mr. Boone. Thus I have deleted the following, since at this time a claim of "Homophobia" can only be considered an agenda-driven personal opinion:

In the 2007 Kentucky gubernatorial election, Pat Boone campaigned for incumbent Republican Ernie Fletcher with a prerecorded automated telephone message because of his belief that the Democrat candidate Steve Beshear would support "every homosexual cause." [1]

MindBodySoul 04:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so strike the word "homophobia" and the political act stands, properly referenced and important, etc. I've incorporated it into a new section "Politics" which includes other political activities. Cleduc 05:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

MindBodySoul, Interesting tactic, insisting that anyone accused of homophobia must be personally examined and diagnosed by a professional psychologist! That should protect nearly everyone who publicly spews hate rhetoric toward gay people. (and BTW, I thought anti-gay people wanted to avoid dragging psychologists into any discussion, since they overwhelmingly support gay equality. Also can't help being amused by your use of the term "gay agenda". I know LOTS of gay people, and there are only two ways I've ever heard them use that term: 1. As an ironic put down of the anti-gay rights crowd 2. In a serious way to note that the only gay agenda that ever existed is simply to have full equality with heterosexuals. One wonders how YOU define the term 'gay agenda' and whether or not you believe that all people deserve equal civil rights regardless of sexual orientation. William Malmstrom, Clearwater, FL 24.160.80.225 (talk) 16:41, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Hustler photo[edit]

To my knowledge, Boone has never refuted that the photo is of him. And for all its misogyny, Hustler has a good track record of making its accusations against right wing hypocrites stick. Therefore I believe this is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karlap (talkcontribs) 00:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

The Osbournes[edit]

Was Boone's version of Crazy Train used as the theme for later seasons? The original theme was performed by Lewis La Medica. http://www.theprojekt.com/lewis.html http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,235237,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackieRipper (talkcontribs) 14:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


Ant-immigration stands[edit]

As of November 2008, Boone has joined the minority racist/xenophobic crowd that promotes the deportation of 18,000,000 human beings from the US due to their immigration status. Instead of supporting CHRISTIAN VALUES he has aligned himself with the white-supremacist crowd that follows hate groups like FAIR. It is sad that Boone has fallen under the spell of the racial/xenophobic hatred of a minority of right wing extremists.

Pharyngula[edit]

I've removed the statement "Readers at the Pharyngula blog widely condemned his article, noting that his description of the history of equal rights appeared to gloss over the unrest seen during civil rights marches and protests of the 1950s and 1960s, Women's Suffrage movements in the US and the American Civil War.", referring to his article comparing Proposition 8 supporters to the Mumbai terrorists. The fact that readers of one blog condemned his words doesn't seem very significant to me; basically nothing in the world happens without the readers of a blog condemning it and it doesn't need to make it into this, an article about not the incident itself but a person involved. Things like the Keith Olbermann statement, if they can be sourced, are more noteworthy. Olaf Davis | Talk 11:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

I'm sorry to say I find this article rather biased. Pat Boone has received huge amounts of criticism. His cover versions of r&b songs have been described as "antiseptic" and he was strongly associated with a racist audience (to whom black performers were unacceptable). However, this vital point seems not even to be hinted at. On top of that, the introduction unabashedly claims that "many still believe Boone should be introduced into the r&r Hall of Fame", a classic example of weasel wording (especially since at least as many others want to keep him out at all costs). In short, this article bears many hallmarks of a mere fan page and badly needs to be put into a wider perspective. Steinbach (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Steinbach that the section is problematic that mentions the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. "Many" is a use of weasel words and the statement that Mike Curb has said he should be in the R&RHOF doesn't have a citation. Someone should at the very least put a citation on that before readding to the article:

"Many [weasel words] today think that he should be a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, including Mike Curb, a former lieutenant governor of California and the founder of Curb Records." GBrady (talk) 13:26, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Basketball interests[edit]

He sung the national anthem before a televised NBA All-Star game in the 1960s and messed up the lyrics. I know that he's hardly unique in doing that. WHPratt (talk) 13:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Needs a citation[edit]

I have moved the following passage to the Talk page since it seems, frankly, doubtful to have occurred. If anyone can get a credible citation on it, I won't oppose its addition back to the article:

"Most recently, Boone stepped back from the singer/songwriter spotlight in order to focus on directing the creative process and allowing other musicians to benefit from his expertise. In early March 2009, Boone was contacted by critically acclaimed progressive dream music group Benny 7 and the Nice Guys and asked to play the role of producer on their first release in forty years, a five track EP entitled All Due Respect to Mr. B. The title caused heated dispute amongst fans as to whom the mysterious "Mr. B" is referring to; Pat Boone, or Benny 7 himself. Ex-Nice Guy Jesuit Tinfoil Jr. is quoted as saying of Boone: "He was fly, man. A real flat-jam-Randall to work with. It was down to him that we moved on so much from the first album. He had mad windows. And I mean mad windows." " GBrady (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Also removed this from Discography sectin until established that it actually exists:

  • 2009: All Due Respect to Mr. B with Benny 7 and the Nice Guys GBrady (talk) 13:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Pat Boone and Elvis Presley[edit]

According to an opinion poll of high school students in 1957, Pat Boone was nearly the "two-to-one favorite over Elvis Presley among boys and preferred almost three-to-one by girls..." See the statistics in Ennis, Philip H., The Seventh Stream: The Emergence of Rocknroll in American Popular Music (Wesleyan University Press, 1992), p. 251-252. I think this is of some importance and should be included in the Elvis Presley article. But there are different opinions. May I ask some Boone experts to have a look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elvis Presley/archive4. Thank you. Onefortyone (talk) 02:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Which Era?[edit]

Are these statements contradictory? Or did Pat's career span two eras?

"Boone's talent as a singer and actor combined with his old-fashioned values contributed to his popularity in the pre-rock and roll era."

"His cover versions of rhythm and blues hits had a noticeable effect on the development of the broad popularity of rock and roll." Dynzmoar (talk) 11:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Criticism[edit]

It seems that some people have tried to personally attack Boone's manner of ascension in this article. That is not appropriate, but I have looked up some videos of Boone songs on the internet and many of even his most praised songs are widely panned by the public. This article seems to be somewhat dishonest in broadly omitting an element of Boone's image. It seems that, currently, Boone is actually resented by a significant audience for what it perceives as his having unfairly exploited contemporary prejudices to achieve greater renown for inferior products. He is commonly aligned with his audience as an obstacle to social progress. It would not be difficult to add a small section addressing the criticism. Enough comment threads and blog posts could easily be recovered to provide a good gauge of public opinion. 108.8.49.61 (talk) 19:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

No, comment threads and blog posts are not reliable sources, and attempting to analyse them would be WP:Original research, which we don't do on Wikipedia. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:39, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

second biggest charting artist?[edit]

According to Billboard, Boone was the second biggest charting artist of the late 1950s, behind only Elvis Presley but ahead of Ricky Nelson and The Platters, This is nonsense. Pat Boone was only on 8th place. According to Top Pop Albums by Joel Whitburn Top 50 Artists (1955-1959) by version Billboard was 1) Frank Sinatra 2) Johnny Mathis 3) Elvis Presley 4) Harry Belafonte 5) Mantovani. --LordWeller (talk) 19:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Well unfortunately, whoever added that sentence didn't give a source (only that it was Billboard). And you only give a title of your source. But, your source is about albums, not singles. And in the book Encyclopedia of Contemporary Christian Music: Pop, Rock, and Worship on page 27, it says, "Boone...during the late 1950s outsold every artist except Elvis." --Musdan77 (talk) 03:10, 25 June 2012 (UTC)\

I'm not volunteering, but somebody should really resolve this in a serious way. It is quite possible that the Christian Encyclopedia could be repeating Boone's own Christian hoopla or otherwise in error; by the same token it is a very interesting fact if true. We should be about providing accurate information, not prolonging misunderstanding and uncertainty so somebody should research from another angle/source and get the straight dope sourced into print.

Missing bits in Politics section[edit]

event on September 22, 2012 entitled

No name is currently given, I assume it is this [6], which has been cancelled supposedly (not sure of what a reputable source would be in relation to this, but maybe not that one). ---86.151.252.119 (talk) 23:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

arrest warrant[edit]

Pat Boone had an arrest warrant issued against him near the end of March 2014. Boone acknowledged the warrant but said that the warrant is nonsense. Many media sources have reported the warrant, most without any reservation.

Wikipedia editors keep deleting the material that I attempt to add to the Pat Boone article on the supposed grounds that it is speculative, controversial (without being notable), WP:UNDUE, minor, vague. Given that laundry list, which goes all over the place, with no support for any of these supposed reasons, I think that the real reason for removal stems from a personal dislike, on the part of the Wikipedia editors, for permitting such material, not that such material isn't true. Further, if something is controversial, I don't see how not being notable should keep such material out but being notable should possibly allow such material in.

I appeal the decision to exclude.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.33.158 (talkcontribs)

We wouldn't include such material according to the key Wikipedia policy WP:BLP. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
IP 107, I have tried to give you several reasons for why this material is currently not appropriate for this article. Demiurge1000 cites the central Wikipedia policy relevant to including controversial material to a BLP. It is also important to keep in mind that Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWSPAPER. Take a look at the policies we have cited and I think you will begin to see that it has nothing to do with personal dislike, but rather an understanding of policy. I am One of Many (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
At this point, I don't think the arrest warrant is sufficiently notable, especially considering WP:BLP. It looks like Boone blew off a court hearing in which he's a minor player (at best). --Weazie (talk) 00:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Mentioning the arrest warrant can't be controversial, since the subject agrees that it exists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.184.33.158 (talk) 20:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Your premise does not entail your conclusion. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Article is derelict in its duty[edit]

Should have at least one picture of this very popular man of the 1950's in his prime. The girls were all NUTS about him, he was so handsome. Look at the Elvis bio pictures as a reference. Most of them show a very young Elvis at his best. Boone deserves the same unbiased treatment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.249.134.25 (talk) 20:19, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I don't know much about Boone or about Elvis, and nor am I a copyright expert, but this is a tricky one. Some of the images currently used on the Elvis article have distinctly questionable licenses (and may end up being removed), and others are there because someone invoked "This work is in the public domain in that it was published in the United States between 1923 and 1977 and without a copyright notice". It seems to me that there may exist some (or many) images of Boone taken in the 1950s that would meet that same criterion, and thus would be usable in this article. The important thing is to find them and then to upload them to Wikimedia Commons while using the correct licensing tag. Asking at WP:MCQ may help, after you find a suitable image. As ever, most images found on Google Images and the like, cannot be used. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:28, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Demiurge1000, but I'm an old man, not a computer person, so I'm hoping someone interested in improving the article will provide us with the right pictures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.249.134.25 (talk) 20:49, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Why can't old men be computer people? I can think of a few.
The people to ask for the right pictures would be whoever owns the copyright to pictures of Pat Boone. Probably his website! Go get their agreement to Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries and then you are most of the way there. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Older people have more limited nervous energy and must pick and choose what is most important for them to work on, and I'm a full time artist as well as a writer of books. Perhaps someone younger or knowledgeable in computers and Wikipedia will do this work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.249.134.25 (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)