Template talk:Survivor (U.S. TV series) contestants

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Shouldn't all the contestants be on the template, even if they are just black text without a link? Or would that make it too crowded? Jordan 04:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be too crowded. I just made this as a quick linky thing so I would know who has pages and it makes it considerable easier to track. -- Scorpion 14:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe this note is necessary[edit]

Scorpion: I understand that you are upset about J.P. Calderon having an article. I don't understand why you are upset, but upset you clearly are. This does not give you the right to continually revert this template to remove the link to his article. Your nonsense reasons for removing it are, well, nonsense. The article exists on Wikipedia, he was a Survivor contestant and the AfD on it is clearly running in favor of keeping the article. You need to deal with your ownership issues regarding this template and Survivor in general, conduct yourself like a reasonable person and stop reverting this article. You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule and believe me you're annoying me more than enough to get it invoked. So please get yourself a little maturity and a little perspective. Otto4711 20:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Bold for All Stars[edit]

It says that bold means all-stars. However, I cannot see any bolded links. But, when I check the coding there is bolding in the right spots. Does it not work on some browsers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TeckWiz (talkcontribs) 20:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC).

Works for me. -- Scorpion 20:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Caps on Castaway[edit]

Unless it's because it's referring to a person non specifically, why is Castaway capitalized in the note about bold=all-stars —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TeckWiz (talkcontribs) 21:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC).


For personal use only so that I can keep track of whose pages were deleted.

  • Pages in category: 71
    • Borneo: 8
    • Australia: 10
    • Africa: 4
    • Marquesas: 6
    • Thailand: 3
    • Amazon: 5
    • Pearl Islands: 5
    • Vanuatu: 3
    • Palau: 10
    • Guatemala: 4 original, 6 + Steph & BJ
    • Panama: 7
    • Cook Islands: 6
    • Fiji: 0
  • Total: 71 Pages on template (as of 19 April 2014)

Removing links to articles that an editor thinks "shouldn't" exist[edit]

I have some concerns regarding the recent removals of articles which the removing editor deletes under the theory that the subject article "should be deleted." I am not a Survivor fan, in fact have never watched a complete episode of the show. However, as a Wikipedian, it strikes me as inappropriate and a hindrance to the project to remove links on the basis of one editor's POV that the article it links to "shouldn't" exist. If the article exists, it seems reasonable to include it on the navigational template. Otto4711 01:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, their pages were deleted. I was just bating you and you fell for it. -- Scorpion 01:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion[edit]

I'm not sure which speedy deletion criteria this template could meet, and I don't think it's proper to speedily delete a template properly used on 58 articles. If this template deserves to be deleted, which I do not think it does, Wikipedia:Templates for deletion seems much more appropriate. --Maxamegalon2000 02:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Scorpian's explanation was good, especially the fact that there's already a cat. --TeckWiz ParlateContribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 02:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
It's a very reasonable explanation; I don't think it's grounds for speedy deletion, though. I guess the closest applicable criterion is G7 (Author requests deletion), but I think there's been too much interest and editing from other editors for that to apply. --Maxamegalon2000 02:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
It could be considered a duplicate page since the category does the same thing. Then it would qualify. --TeckWiz ParlateContribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 02:56, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
That's a bit more liberal of a justification than I'd be comfortable seeing used to speedily delete a template in use. I'm not sure which criteria that fulfills, either. I'm not necessarily arguing for keeping the template; I just think it deserves some discussion, kind of like the one we're having here, only with more people. --Maxamegalon2000 03:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Why not? I'm signing off for the night. Feel free to do so. --TeckWiz ParlateContribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 03:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
You know, it really doesn't matter what template we use to get it deleted... -- Scorpion 03:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I disagree, and ask that you not remove my indication thereof from the template page. --Maxamegalon2000 03:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This is getting ridiculous. What does it matter if I use the regular template or the other one, the end result is the same. The template really isn't useful and I basically only created it so it would be easier to keep track of who had articles and who didn't. -- Scorpion 03:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not discussing the merits or usefulness of the template here. I simply do not believe that sufficient grounds have been given for speedy deletion of a template used in 58 articles. I am also unsure of which criteria for speedy deletion the template meets. Perhaps you are willing to assume that the end result will be the same, and it very well may be, but I am not as sure as you appear to be, and believe that the template is sufficiently used, and edited by enough different users, to merit a discussion before deletion. --Maxamegalon2000 03:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I could do this the easy way: Remove it from every article then nominate it on the grounds that nothing links to it. -- Scorpion 03:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I find it distressing that you consider mentioning such an action to be a valid rhetorical strategy. I'm not sure how one could reasonably reply to it. --Maxamegalon2000 03:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Because, I nominated it for speedy deletion on the grounds that I am the page creator. I don't feel like fighting inclusionists, such as yourself, due to my already stressful exam schedule. There is a category, rendering the template useless. So, either the template or the category should go and it makes more sense that the template be deleted. -- Scorpion 03:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Deletion is clearly disputed, not a speedy, feel free to discuss it at WP:TFD --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I know the people with this template on watch are keeping an eye on me and don't actually care about the template, but...[edit]

Which looks better, this or something like this? -- Scorpion0422 18:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The second one. Why repeat the names? Jordan (talk) 09:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
You have to remember that the eventually at least one of the non-returnees will have their own page, so that solution is only a short term one. Bobby Jon and Stephanie are listed twice. -- Scorpion0422 21:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Fans vs. Favs coloring[edit]

So a few days ago I added orange coloring for contestants that returned to appear on Survior:Micronesia "Fans vs. Favorites". This seemed like something that was logically missing from the Template when I first saw it given that the green coloring was being used to designate contestants who returned for Survior:All Stars. Clearly Scorpion0422 disagrees since he reverted my changes. He didn't however, explain why he disagrees. Please help me understand why returning contestants for Survior:All Stars should be designated with a color while returning contestants for "Fans vs. Favs" should not. --Skotywa (talk) 08:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I think this is something better discussed when the season is complete and the "fans" have pages for themselves, as is surely inevitable. However, there are currently only six or so Faves with articles. In All-Stars, we had 17 contestants with pages already which would have been too huge for the table. We do not have enough FvF contestant articles to warrant colouring. Furthermore, I disagree with the orange you used as it made the names difficult to read. (Did you try bold? Or I suggest another colour. Purple?). We should discuss this nearer the end. Especially seeing that the fans will have no other places to colour in later, as Scorpion pointed out above. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 08:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC) (and edited by him shortly after).
There are 17 All-stars with pages whereas 7 favorites have pages, and there is a very good chance some of the fans will get pages too. The use of colour coding is already discouraged and I felt using two colours is unnecessary. We should revisit the issue once the season is completed. -- Scorpion0422 15:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Trombonator and Scorpion. The fact is that when a few fans get articles (someone already tried with Alexis Jones), your going to have a section there anyways, so why should it be incomplete with the contestants that appeared on the season. All-Stars is different because ALL the survivors were from previous seasons so an "All-Stars" column would be pointless. It's like with Bobby Jon and Stephenie who are listed in both the Palau and Guatemala sections because they were brought back with a cast of new survivors. Regardless, this will be discussed more when the fan articles start coming through, which should be in the coming weeks now ... only if they manage to pass AFD Survivorfan101 (talk) 15:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, season's over now. I googled all the fans who don't have articles... which, funnily enough is the lot of them. None of them are particularly notable outside of the show, so I am wont to color in the favorites on their original seasons. Purple's good for me; I think the orange from before is too light, and the red is red-link-ish. However, if anyone considers doing *something* on the show as being inclusion criteria, and wants to make fan articles we will have to reconsider. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Part of the reason I don't want to do colour coding is because it's usually discouraged. The current all-stars are bolded and coloured, but if we made the favourites coloured there wouldn't be any way to distinguish them. -- Scorpion0422 13:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Going with that theory, why is All-Stars still coloured then? It wouldn't hurt the table to make another box... although on the flip side then we are unable to see the proportion of returners from each season. This would go for Micronesia as well. Hmm... confusing... Oh, and some people/one editor keeps making it red. Only colour that the faves haven't been made now is blue... actually, that's an idea... :D -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 09:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The reason is because there are non-returners in Micronesia. The template has to be prepared for the hypothetical of one of the "fans" getting their own article.

Micronesia follows the same precedent as Guatemala.

Yeldarb68 (talk) 19:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

James Clement[edit]

A James Clement article has sprung up literally overnight. I don't pretend to be an expert on the inclusion criteria, so I'll hand judgment over to those who are clearer on the subject. I'll just point out that the editor who singlehandedly wrote the article is a new user, this is his first page start and he has less than 30 edits. Furthermore, there is little to no information that isn't about Survivor (not sure if that's a big point or not). Again, I'll let someone with experience in AfD/Speedy deletion to handle this if necessary. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 06:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Kathy of Marquesas and All Stars[edit]

I can't help noticing that Kathy is the ONLY All-Star without her own page and thus with her name on thsi template...does anyone else think she merits enough to get her own? Small5th (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, anyone who has appeared in two seasons or more deserve their own. Kathy is strangely the only one to have played twice and not have an article. Kathy should have an article.

Yeldarb68 (talk) 19:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Which contestant's article should we delete next?[edit]

Wikipedia has already deleted Shii-Ann's, Eliza's and James' articles. I have already discussed this with user Scorpion, and he reassured me that they were not randomly targeted, but were deleted out of a wider scheme to delete contestants who have not done anything noteworthy enough other than Survivor. That is, that they would just be the first in a a far-reaching clean-up. So who should we delete next?

I propose we delete Rupert Boneham and Todd Herzog. What have they ever done other than Survivor?

What do you think Scorpion?

Yeldarb68 (talk) 17:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to nominate any article that you like. However, please do not be disruptive just to prove a point. -- Scorpion0422 17:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I am fully aware of wikipedia's rules regarding WP:POINT. That rule is clearly stated and defined.

Now, please explain how one nominates an article for deletion.

Best wishes, Yeldarb68 (talk) 17:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)


Somehow, the contestants of the Tocantins, Gabon, and Samoa seasons were rotated. Brett Russell H., and Natalie are listed under Gabon, for example. Somewhere in the rearrangement of the template, it must have been shifted. Also, if James is on Survivor for a THIRD time (which I think is crazy but, hey, he was fun to watch so why not?), I think that merits an article. So once this Heroes versus Villains season is over, we should create it.Simplebutpowerful 23:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe I fixed the swapped cast error. Thanks for noticing. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:59, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Idea for marking[edit]

Wouldn't it be cool to have some notation for the winners of each season? Any sort of font change - boldening, italics, underlining...Simplebutpowerful 21:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I would say listing in order of elimination might be enough. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I would prefer that too, over listing them alphabetically by either first or last name.Simplebutpowerful 19:58, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Winner first or last?Simplebutpowerful 20:00, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Winner first would seem to make sense. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed that; now I'm wondering, should we give three spacees to Heroes vs. Villains, since it has seventeen names while All-Stars has just thirteen? I'm not skilled like that but someone else can, if that's a good idea.Simplebutpowerful 20:00, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for sorting them. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 21:54, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, one problem: the people groups on the second-to-last row are a little mixed up (Tocantins people are under China, China's are under Micronesia, etc). Can you fix? Thanks.Simplebutpowerful 01:37, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
It was bound to happen. Hopefully that is fixed now. This isn't the first time :) Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)


I've gone ahead and added him to his two seasons, since there is a page for him even if it's being contested for deletion.Simplebutpowerful 15:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Remind me again why there's no page for James? He was voted the Sprint Player of the Season - or its equivalent - twice (in a row, at that), wasn't he? And he's played the game three times now, finishing seventh twice; he's easily one of the more notable Survivors.Simplebutpowerful 15:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

See here. Of course, things change, and an AFD result is not necessarily forever. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:14, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Right, that's my thought also; his notability has built up over the seasons, so he hasn't been granted an article yet. Maybe it can be built after this season is through; who knows, he might win Sprint Player of the Season again (not likely, of course, since he's up against fellow mass-vote winners Rupert, J.T., and Russell, but still...)Simplebutpowerful 21:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Template width[edit]

the template is currently very wide, due to the massive number of columns. the minimum width it will resize to is 977px on my browser. I tried to reduce the number of columns, but was reverted twice. Frietjes (talk) 00:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

This is not a problem on my screen. On my laptop, iPad, or iPhone. The number of columns has nothing to do with it, the template will always automatically stretch to take up 100% of the screen. Gloss • talk 03:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Looks bad on my laptop as well. This should be fixed. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 03:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm really not seeing the problem but I'll revert myself and later attempt to work out the kinks in that version. Gloss • talk 04:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)