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Barnstar for you![edit]

Template:Infobox men's college basketball team‎, etc.[edit]

Frietjes, here's a template merge I would support in a heartbeat: Template:Infobox men's college basketball team‎ and Template:Infobox women's college basketball team‎.

Have you ever contemplated a comprehensive merge of all the college sports team infobox templates? With a handful of options, I think all U.S. college sports could be accommodated and the team infoboxes would then have a uniform appearance across all sports. Just a thought . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

the first is already proposed here. I had thought about the second as well, but it will take more time to work out all the details, since there are differences in the post-season tournament section for various sports. Frietjes (talk) 22:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I just posted a comment in support of the merge of men's and women's college basketball templates. That pending merge should be a no-brainer, and you are clearly already on top of the two minor issues to be addressed in the combined template.
The creation of a combined infobox template for all U.S. college sports teams would require a lot of work and the inclusion of several options, but the core information to be included is common to all. Differences in NCAA playoff structure, etc., could be accommodated by options to be toggled as needed. The payoff would be worth the effort. Not only should these infoboxes have a common appearance within a given sport, the teams affiliated with a given university should also have a common appearance and graphics style, and that can only be accomplished by a common template across all college sports teams. I think you would find the college football, basketball and baseball sports projects to be supportive, and the other college sports do not have active/vocal WikiProjects and tend to follow the lead of the football, basketball and baseball projects. I would be grateful for your help in making this happen, but I also understand that you have numerous pending template projects already. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox SCI case[edit]

Hey, I see you've worked on this template before and I've seen you around on other templates, can you see if you can help make some of the changes I've proposed on the talk page about three weeks ago? I'm not one bit familiar with template code. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

@SpacemanSpiff: I could certainly help, but is there any reason why we don't just merge this with Template:Infobox court case? Frietjes (talk) 15:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I have no opinion on that, I figured that this was split off for a reason. I don't normally work on law articles and came across this only because I'm writing an article on one particular case but I think (and I'm not sure if I'm reading the main template correctly) that this one offers more specific fields not included on the main template, e.g.: laws applied, superceded, overruled, arguedate etc and also provides the SCI image automatically (this I think could be done automatically if you have a selection field for country, right?). cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 15:37, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Is merge possible?[edit]

I wonder how possible is to merge Template:Infobox WNBA biography into Template:Infobox basketball biography. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: possible but difficult, and given the existence of Template:Infobox NBA biography, seems one-sided to only merge one. Frietjes (talk) 14:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:Infobox NBA biography is a redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: oops, yes, you're right. then, I suppose it seems like a logical merger. someone would need to do some more in depth analysis of what would be required to merge them. Frietjes (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

There are 5 things to take care of:

  • |highschool= needs to be renamed to |high_school=
  • |draft= needs to be demerged to |draft_round= and |draft_pick=. |overseas_career_start= and *|overseas_career_end= do not exist in Infobox basketball biography
  • |profile= is |NBA_profile= so I guess we only need to support both
  • career_teams, overseas_career_teams, awards, medal_templates, medal_templates-expand do not exist in Infobox basketball biography

-- Magioladitis (talk) 14:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: seems many of the field labels have WNBA in them as well (e.g., "WNBA head coach of" and "Non-WNBA career")? Frietjes (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
WBNA career can certainly change to just Career but in worst case scenario we could use Template:Infobox basketball biography as the base infobox for Template:Infobox WNBA biography. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:28, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox pipeline[edit]

Hi, Frietjes. You are expert in the field of infoboxes. Could yo please see {{Infobox pipeline}}. The field discharge_bbl_d is meant to be million barrels per day; however, it uses Mbbl/d instead of MMbbl/d. Could you fix this? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 05:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Change to Template:Infobox Nuclear weapons test[edit]

Frietjes, you made the changes I requested to the nuclear infobox earlier this year. I would request one additional change.

The box has navigation left and right (to the preceding and following test series). I need an additional option, to move upwards. From test series pages I need provide a link to move upwards to country summary pages. The name of the entry could be "Summary" or whatever matches similar use in other infoboxes.

At the country summary pages I need to have an new infobox which will allow navigation to preceding and following summary pages as well as upwards to a world-wide summary page. It would need the name of the country it represents, but everything else I can think of would be immediately available in the table on that page anyway.

Any questions, let me know; I'm watching this page. SkoreKeep (talk) 16:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello? Am I improperly addressing the system, or causing a problem? SkoreKeep (talk) 02:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

@SkoreKeep: can you provide me with an example set of articles? e.g., a parent article, and a few child articles. Frietjes (talk) 15:57, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Surely. At the low level, consider Operation Greenhouse, Operation Redwing, Operation Tinderbox and the higher level List of nuclear weapons tests of the United States. Another: Reggane series, French nuclear tests, 1979-1980 French nuclear tests, with France's nuclear testing series.
At the top of the hierarchy is List of nuclear weapons tests, which accesses each country's summary page. SkoreKeep (talk) 23:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello? SkoreKeep (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
@SkoreKeep: I added |summary= (see the template examples), although it seems redundant to the |country= and |test_series= parameters. for example, I could use | country = [[List of nuclear weapons tests of the United States|United States]]. Frietjes (talk) 14:32, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox tennis tournament[edit]

Hi, you recently updated this tennis template based on the outcome of a merge discussion. I made a correction to the country field which was pointing to the city field [diff]. The field 'Established' (data6) has the same function as 'Founded' (data5) so it can be removed. If a field is removed should the fields that follow after it be renumbered or not? Is it possible to do a check to see if there any instances of the template in use where the 'Established' field is filled (and the 'Founded' field is empty)? I'm pretty sure that 'Founded' is the standard field to indicate when a tournament had its inaugural edition but a safety check on the usage of the 'Established' field would be useful. The same applies to 'Location' (data8.1). To the best of my knowledge we only use the 'City' and 'Country' fields which means we could delete 'Location' (the separate field, not the label). --Wolbo (talk) 15:56, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

yes, I saw that you fixed the typo, thank you. will add a tracking category for both established and founded, and will check on the location/city/country issue. Frietjes (talk) 16:00, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
@Wolbo: added Category:Pages using infobox tennis tournament with both established and founded fields and Category:Pages using infobox tennis tournament with location field, but it will take some time for the cache catch up and the categories to fill (if there are any entries). Frietjes (talk) 16:12, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply, I'll keep an eye on those tracker pages. When converting a tournament template from 'Infobox WTA Tennis Tournament' to 'Infobox tennis tournament' I noticed that the fields 'website' and 'prize money' don't show because the field names are spelled differently (Web_site vs Website and Prize_money vs Prize money). Is there any way to automate or facilitate this conversion? --Wolbo (talk) 17:25, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
@Wolbo: can you provide an example? prize money should be no problem, but in some infoboxes web_site had a different usage. Frietjes (talk) 17:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
An example is Gastein Ladies. This is the version with the old 'Infobox WTA Tennis Tournament' template: Old. This is the version after the update to the 'Infobox tennis tournament' template: Update. Notice the missing 'Website' and 'Prize money' fields. And finally, the current version after I updated these two fields to match the generic tennis tournament template: Current. --Wolbo (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
The same issue applies to the 'Infobox ATP Tennis Tournament' template for men's tennis tournaments, see my two edits on Swiss Indoors.--Wolbo (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
@Wolbo: understood. I added the alternative syntax. by the way, it looks like founded/established are never used at the same time, but that location is used frequently. Frietjes (talk) 14:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Thx. Can you update the Category:Pages using infobox tennis tournament with both established and founded fields to show only tournaments with an entry for the 'Established' field so I can update those to the 'Founded' field and subsequently delete the 'Established' field?--Wolbo (talk) 10:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
@Wolbo: updated, see Category:Pages using infobox tennis tournament with established parameter. Frietjes (talk) 17:37, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Thx. It's still empty so can we now safely remove the 'Established' field?--Wolbo (talk) 07:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Frietjes, all the tournament articles with {{Infobox ATP Tennis Tournament}} have now been updated to {{Infobox tennis tournament}}. There are still a number of pages that link to {{Infobox ATP Tennis Tournament}} but as far as I can tell these are all in the User, Wikipedia or Template namespace. Can you verify this and if so arrange to have {{Infobox ATP Tennis Tournament}} deleted? Thx. --Wolbo (talk) 15:11, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

@Wolbo: looks good. since the outcome was "merge", I redirected it. this will help with editors viewing old revisions, and other non-article links. Frietjes (talk) 15:47, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Merge is fine as long as the unused template doesn't keep showing up in tennis template lists/overviews.--Wolbo (talk) 16:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
All the tournament articles with {{Infobox WTA Tennis Tournament}} have now been updated to {{Infobox tennis tournament}}. There are still a few Wikipedia and Template namespace pages that link to {{Infobox WTA Tennis Tournament}}. Can you redirect the template? Thx.--Wolbo (talk) 08:21, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox WTA 125K series tournament}} has been updated as well.--Wolbo (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox Professional Tennis Tournament}} and {{Infobox exhibition tennis tournament}} also done.--Wolbo (talk) 09:26, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
awesome. I redirected them. Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


I noticed that

use something called "Transcludesection". Any idea if this is OK? Pages show on list with programming elements and I would like to avoid that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:51, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

replaced with lst in Amphetamine and removed from Cultus Lake, British Columbia, although lst has it's own issues. will see if it lasts. Frietjes (talk) 14:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
What exactly is the benefit of using the lst function over a template transclusion? It's not mentioned in WP:SELECTIVETRANSCLUSION. The hatnote template {{transcluded-section}} is intended to inform users that they need to edit the transcluding article instead of the article they're viewing to edit the tagged section. I chose a hatnote over a banner like {{transcluded}} because that looks like a maintenance template instead of a section note.
Also, there was an issue with the lst transclusion, so I had to revert it. It was transcluding the vast majority of amphetamine to Adderall at some transclude point.Seppi333 (Insert  | Maintained) 05:59, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Seppi333 then something as to be changed in the code since the of condition refers to "Transcludesection" which does not exist and not to "transcluded-section". -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
@Seppi333: see the section directly below WP:SELECTIVETRANSCLUSION which points to Help:Labeled section transclusion. Frietjes (talk) 14:02, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
@Frietjes: Ah, alright. Thanks for the link!
@Magioladitis: I'm not really sure I understand the issue; transcludedsection is just a parameter defined on amphetamine. The parameter name is completely arbitrary, but the parameter itself is just being used to indicate which section to display via the ifeq function.

Just to illustrate what I mean from User:Seppi333/transclusion, where I've replaced "transcludedsection" with "waffles"


gives First section (as intended)


gives Second section (as intended)


gives (nothing, since waffles=random wasn't defined)

Best, Seppi333 (Insert  | Maintained) 17:18, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
@Seppi333: I believe the issue is with using parserfunctions directly in the article (i.e., the '#ifeq:'), rather than encapsulating them in a template. Frietjes (talk) 17:24, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
Oh. I suppose the most straightforward fix would be to move all the sections to a template page and transclude from there, though the use of parser functions in articles isn't mentioned as being an issue in WP:SELTRANS. On the contrary, it points out in WP:SELTRANS#Target document markup that it's possible to transclude from articles by appending ":" to the front of the template call (i.e. the case with transcluding from amphetamine with the parser function). Seppi333 (Insert  | Maintained) 17:40, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Please check Trace amine for the same reason. A similar piece of code was recently introduced I still do not know how to deal with these. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:07, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

If you could precisely explain the problem, I can address it. As for that one article, you can cut out the ifeq template and the transclusion to other pages will still work if it's what bothers you. Seppi333 (Insert  | Maintained) 06:19, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Seppi333 thanks! Can you please check if I got it right? -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:30, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: yep. Works fine as long as there's only 1 set of text being transcluded like there was on that page. Seppi333 (Insert  | Maintained) 06:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Just discovered this thread after discussions over this usage at Talk:Statistics, regarding Mathematical statistics (now OK). The problem with such transclusions is they're a severe impediment to editing. In source code editing they are a problem for anyone unfamiliar with parser functions and template syntax, while they stop the visual editor working altogether: you sometimes see the marked section's raw source as if in a template, sometimes nothing at all. The articles work fine without them, and so per MOS:MARKUP such complex markup should not be used.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 20:08, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm not really interested in making extra work for myself, so I'll stick with transcluding pages where it saves me time/sanity. Seppi333 (Insert  | Maintained) 20:27, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Sidebar with collapsible lists[edit]

Hello, Frietjes – Would you be able to assist here? Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:23, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I guess not... To refine when I might send something your way, is this because the code would be tricky / you don't think it's a good idea / another reason/reasons..? Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Tables not correct end[edit]

There is this list of 3,000 pages with tables that do not correct end Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/028 dump, usually because they contain some header template and not the corresponding footer template. I believe that you are interested in this kind of stuff. In some cases the missing footer template should be created. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:53, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

New list released. Same place. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: would be good to get the false positives removed. this is triggered by the {{{|safesubst:}}} which, apparently, is being confused with the start of a table. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Only by removing redlinks and duplicates, list was reduced by 600 items. I'll ask Bgwhite to exclude {{{|safesubst:}}} using checkwiki's code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I cleaned out articles starting with a thru i. The rest of the articles with {{{|safesubst:}}} should either go red or revert back to normal within a week. Bgwhite (talk) 17:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite, Magioladitis: it seems as though this is a false positive? according to {{H:IPA}}, a brace is a valid input, but is also equivalent to ae, and others. Frietjes (talk) 23:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Bare filenames in infobox[edit]

Need(s) proper infobox[edit]

I like the header ;)

Talvik, Norway[edit]

Hi, can you find a way to combine both infoboxes here? Any progress with the Swiss template yet? I don't think many people would argue if you started converting it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:16, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

sounds like you should split the article if it is about two places. Frietjes (talk) 14:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Something from Lua[edit]

Hi! I posted at User talk:Mr. Stradivarius, but it looks, that Mr. Stradivarius won't respond. So maybe you could have a look:

I wanted to import the portal module to Latvian Wikipedia, but we have diffrent system, as we don't have very much portals and the syntax is a little bit different. I created such data page:

'Portal name' = 'parameter 1', 'parameter 2', 'parameter 3', 'parameter 4' (optionally)

If it would be template, then its code would be something like this (for each portal):

[[File:{{{parameter 3}}}|{{{parameter 4}}}]] [[Portāls:{{{parameter 2}}} portāls|{{{parameter 1}}}]]

And for inclusion in article I would write {{portal|<<here goes the portal name (from data module)>>}}.

So, how it looks to You? You can make any changes for the module @lv wiki, you won't ruin anything as it isn't used.

If the 'Portal name' would be case sensitive (it would be nice, if not)?--Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Election tables[edit]

need to uniform their style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:35, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Better to use templates for each row (or set of rows), then we can embed microformat markup. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Andy if you can help, please do. I only revived information that was lost for no obvious reason. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
sounds like you want rows for Template:Election table. Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Infobox film[edit]

Hi. Your change made it once again impossible to set image sizes, such as for tall posters which need to be set at below the default size. Could you please revert it. BMK (talk) 13:39, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes to take of[edit]

-- Magioladitis (talk) 13:53, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Btw, Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/031 dump has now 20 items less than you have in your list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis, Bgwhite: thanks, it seems as though some were taken off the list without being entirely fixed. for example, a stray closing th tag and stray closing td and tr tags and an unconverted row. is there any way we can improve the regexp used here? Frietjes (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Hm... that means there are also more pages with html elements that we do not catch. Hm... -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I fixed some using AutoEd but in some cases like Stewiacke AutoEd fails. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I think I converted almost all tables. I may have missed a few. In some cases I imitated your style using col templates. I hope this save you (and us) time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Talkback - Infobox body of water[edit]

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Image in Safe in Hell[edit]

Hi. Can you explain to me what you were doing with the image in the cast section of the Safe in Hell article, because all three versions (the original and 2 two edits) display the same to me. I'm a bit lost about how scaling enters into the problem that has popped up, and I'd appreciate it if you could give me a layman's primer on what's going on. Thanks. BMK (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: the {{stack}} template allows the image to float to the right, but not all the way to the right if there is already something on the right. this is preferable to using a table to set a fixed size since it doesn't depend on the width of the browser window. the prior version was functioning in a very odd way when the browser window is very narrow or very wide. Frietjes (talk) 19:00, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, that's very helpful. BMK (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Template talk:Template category[edit]

Hello, Frietjes: In the headers area at the top of this page, is there a straightforward way to align the lefthand edge of the tmbox with the lefthand edge of the {{Talk header}} template? Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:14, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

@Sardanaphalus: per wp:accessibility guidelines, there should be nothing between the ToC and the first section. Ask Bgwhite for details. Frietjes (talk) 14:17, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:F1 constructor[edit]

Hi Frietjes. I was wondering if you could help me. Can you work out why the "Engines" parameter isn't being displayed in the {{F1 constructor}} in Team Lotus? It's got me beat! Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 12:45, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

@DH85868993: fixed here, but I will change it to use {{infobox}} in a moment. Frietjes (talk) 13:34, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Fantastic. Thank you. DH85868993 (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ordnance Factories Board[edit]

Hi Frietjes,

You reverted the template color of Ordnance Factories Board. May I know, why? Since most articles have uniquely colored templates, then why not OFB. Orange was chosen by the template creator may be because the same color is used as the infobox color in IOFS civil service of OFB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

per wp:deviations, we simply don't need to have unique colouring for every single navbox. Frietjes (talk) 18:52, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
But what's the harm in using one?! We shouldn't be so rigid on petty issues like colors, lol — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:59, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
try starting a thread at WT:Accessibility. Frietjes (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I went through WP:DEW and request you to be a little more considerate. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

"Fixed" Reflists[edit]

Those were intentionally broken, pending deployment. IveGoneAway (talk) 22:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Needed to delete that content anyway. IveGoneAway (talk) 22:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Horse race infobox cleanup[edit]

I know squat about actual syntax on infoboxes, but in this edit I noticed that the parameters now say both "turf" and "grass, left handed." Turf IS grass. No need to say it twice... not sure if that's a template issue or just a user data insertion issue, but wanted to flag it for you, seeing as how you appear to be doing the cleanup. Montanabw(talk) 05:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

fixed, and now tracking the fix with Category:Pages using infobox horseraces using deprecated parameters. Frietjes (talk) 14:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
There was also a merge of the infobox dirt race into the "other" horse racing infobox, which is beyond bizarre, I know there is an interest at WP:Horse racing to have two infoboxes, one for race meets in general and one for specific races, and I don't want to mess with that without getting to a new consensus, but just so you know, there are basically three track surfaces in horse racing: "turf" (i.e. grass), "dirt" (i.e. dirt, sand, loam, mud, whatever), and "synthetic", which is basically sand specially coated with some sort of wax, oil, rubber particles or whatever, marketed as a number of things, including tapeta, polytrack and so on. I hope that helps, and dear god don't even try to ask why one surface is preferred to another... talk about disputes; they will have peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians sooner... Montanabw(talk) 18:24, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
@Montanabw: any suggestions on what to do with the infobox in English Greyhound Derby? clearly horse/greyhound racing have some similarities, but having the infobox say 'horseraces' seems a bit wrong. Frietjes (talk) 18:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh my! All I can say is that I suggest an "infobox greyhoung racing" be created, it's sufficiently different. No jockeys, etc...  ;-) Montanabw(talk) 18:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
{{Infobox recurring event}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:59, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I was thinking {{infobox recurring race}}, since the distance, surface, track information would be specific to races. Frietjes (talk) 19:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
In that case, perhaps the horse-races template could be moved and made more general? With a |sport= parameter? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
My humble opinion is that a single {{infobox horse race}} could cover almost everything, both recurring races and individual year events with sufficient parameters and instructions. We basically have four possible items to consider: tracks (I think they have their own box already and no need to merge) racing meets (multiple races, sometimes over a couple of months), annually occurring races (Epsom Derby, etc.) and specific races (2014 Epsom Derby, etc.) The plurality of articles will be the middle one, the annually (or periodically) occurring races. The other complicating factor is a couple of cases where a race moves around and gets renamed. For example, the [{Breeders' Cup]] moves location from time to time, the Hollywood Gold Cup will be getting moved and renamed because Hollywood Park closed, etc... That said, WP Horse racing folks (who have all been there longer than I) seem to have a sense that we may need two boxes. I'm not convinced we do, but I really respect the folks over there, so would you two be willing to help lay out the situation if I ping you both there? Montanabw(talk) 19:14, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

List of pages with unclosed center tags[edit]

User:Magioladitis/sandbox. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


Hey when you edited these pages: Awards and emblems of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation, Awards of the Federal Border Service of the Russian Federation, Awards of the Federal Protective Service of the Russian Federation, Awards of the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, Awards of the Ministry for Emergency Situations of Russia, and Awards of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia it jacked up the tables' column widths. How can the widths be restored and preserve your edits? EricSerge (talk) 16:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

@EricSerge: fixed? Frietjes (talk) 17:02, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much! Basics of wikitables I am okay, optional parameters, I suck. EricSerge (talk) 18:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Pages with p tags[edit]

Mainly used to align inside tables or define background color. The list had 1,2000 entries but I did most of them. The others need more thorough look.

Only 99 pages left. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox football biography[edit]

It seems we've reached consensus about embedding the template to {{Infobox person}} on the {{Infobox3cols}} talk page, so you should probably integrate the sandbox version into the main template. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 15:40, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

RFC for Template:Geographic reference[edit]

Hi Frietjes, because we were involved in this recent discussion involving a template with a number of citation references, I'd like your input at an RfC I've started regarding Template:Geographic reference which is another template in much more use that also contains citation references (as ref tags) but in a similar mindset as the Latin phrases references one. Thanks. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

TwoLeg start[edit]

I have some proposal for a new module. Basically it would implement Template:TwoLeg start (and result) templates, but it could be functionality could be expanded to more legs. There could be such module result:

{{#invoke: Leg|main|legs=2
here goes some formatting things (result width eg.) and maybe some optional text for cells
|{{fb-rt|SCO}} || 1–6 | '''{{fb|NED}}''' || 1–0 | 0–6

would produce

Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg
Scotland  1–6  Netherlands 1–0 0–6

And to use the module for existing templates, there could be functions for that, so TwoLegStart's code could be replaced with something like {{#invoke: Leg|start|legs=2}}.

And for the optional text for cells:

--Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 10:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox scientist and longer cases[edit]

Hello, Frietjes – thanks for your recent patches to the above.

If, though, conditionals such as {{#if:{{{spouses|}}} |{{{spouses|}}} |{{{spouse|}}} }} are needed to handle cases where both parameters are specified, should {{Infobox}}es ever include anything like {{{spouses|{{{spouse|}}}}}}...? (Sorry that I've still to master this business.)

And if, for example, there were three possibilities spouseseses, spouses and spouse, would the following be the correct handling?:

{{#if:{{{spouseseses|}}} |{{{spouseseses}}} |{{#if:{{{spouses|}}} |{{{spouses}}} |{{{spouse|}}} }} }}

Or, if the possibilities were gapbetween, gap and a default "1.25em":

{{#if:{{{gapbetween|}}} |{{{gapbetween}}} |{{#if:{{{gap|}}} |{{{gap}}} |1.25em}} }}...?

Your confirmations / corrections would be very helpful. Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 20:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

PS In the first piece of <code> above, is the pipe in the second {{{spouses|}}} optional?

  • {{{spouses|{{{spouse|}}}}}} is lower in processing complexity than {{#if:{{{spouses|}}} |{{{spouses|}}} |{{{spouse|}}} }}, but will return unexpected results if |spouses= is specified, but left blank.
  • my feeling is that {{{spouses|{{{spouse|}}}}}} is perfectly fine, so long as there is no serious chance that someone could try to use both |spouses= and |spouse= at the same time.
  • for example, suppose that birthdate were deprecated in favour of birth_date, and the documentation had been updated to remove any mention of birthdate. however, since changing to the new syntax might take some time, and editors might mistakenly use the old syntax, you decide to keep both parameters in the code. so, using {{{birth_date|{{{birthdate|}}}}}} is perfectly fine, since there is no serious chance that anyone would try to use both at the same time.
  • a more complicated example would be something like
| label3 = {{#if:{{{founded|}}}|Founded|Established}}
| data3  = {{#if:{{{founded|}}}|{{{founded}}}|{{{established|}}}}}


| label3 = {{#if:{{{founded|}}}|Founded|Established}}
| data3  = {{#if:{{{founded|{{{established|}}}}}}
  • here there is a real problem if someone tried to use
| founded = 
| established = 1917
  • when you start extending this to more than two possible variable names, it may be easier to write
| data4 = {{ifempty|{{{founded|}}}|{{{established|}}}|{{{foundation|}}}|{{{establishment|}}}}}

rather than the equivalent

| data4 = {{#if:{{{founded|}}}|{{{founded}}}|{{#if:{{{established|}}}|{{{established}}}|{{#if:{{{foundation|}}}|{{{foundation}}}|{{{establishment|}}}}}}}}}

although the first is slightly less efficient when all four are empty, since the {{ifempty}} template checks up to {{{10|}}}. but, simplification to the code is probably worth it for more than three variables. note that you wouldn't see any significant reduction in the complexity of the associated label statement.

| label4 = {{#if:{{{founded|}}}|Founded|{{#if:{{{established|}}}|Established|{{#if:{{{foundation|}}}|Foundation|Establishment}}}}}}
  • while {{#if:{{{gapbetween|}}} |{{{gapbetween}}} |{{#if:{{{gap|}}} |{{{gap}}} |1.25em}} }} is fine, I would write {{ifempty|{{{gapbetween|}}}|{{{gap|}}}|1.25em}} instead. since the default is non-blank, the complexity will be the same for both, but the second is easier to read.
  • and yes, {{#if:{{{founded|}}}|{{{founded}}}|{{{established|}}}}} is equivalent to {{#if:{{{founded|}}}|{{{founded|}}}|{{{established|}}}}}, but sometimes leaving in the extra pipe is faster if you use cut-and-paste to construct it (to avoid typos). Frietjes (talk) 21:09, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for all the above. It's that subtle distinction between |parameter=  (i.e. not assigned anything, even "nothingness") and |parameter="", "[null]", "[void]", "[empty]", etc that can, sooner or later, make the difference. I'll try to keep on top of it when using {{{parameter1|{{{parameter2|}}}}}} etc. Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Big Brother sidebar[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Big Brother sidebar has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. ViperSnake151  Talk  22:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Aligned table's colstyle[edit]

Hello, Frietjes – am I doing something wrong here...? Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:04, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

currently, there is no |colstyle=, just |colXstyle=. Frietjes (talk) 13:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Understood. I've commented out reference to it in the documentation for the time being. Sardanaphalus (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Orthodox dioceses infoboxes[edit]


Thanks for the strenuous work of merging Orthodox dioceses infoboxes into the generic template.

However, replacing the diocese type parameter by denomination (as in this diff) is, I believe, wrong. There is no such denomination called Albanian Orthodox, the correct denomination is Eastern Orthodox. To confirm that, I noticed that article Religious denomination states in its lead section that Eastern Orthodox is a denomination, as does Denominationalism. Albanian, Greek, Russian, Georgian Orthodox are local traditions, that can be mentioned besides rite, language and music, but not confused with them. Notice for instance the use of the word "tradition" in the name of Patriarchal Exarchate for Orthodox Parishes of Russian Tradition in Western Europe, a body of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople which conducts liturgy in Church slavonic language, not in Russian. Note however that these local traditions can be most of the time guessed from the name of the Church or exarchate, and that people may not agree on what is a tradition and what is not. Some would argue that there exist no orther tradition in Eastern Orthodoxy besides Greek, Russian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Romanian and Georgian, some would add Albanian, Ukrainian, Japanese, Finnish, and many others. For these reasons I would not be opposed to remove altogether this notion from infoboxes, and mention only, when applicable, the denomination (Eastern Orthodox), Church body, rite, Church language and music style.

Also, the former jurisdiction parameter would be better replaced by sui_iuris_church than by governance. This sui_iuris_church is especially designed for Eastern Churches which often have gained hierarchical independence over the ages.

I hope these comments help. Place Clichy (talk) 16:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Place Clichy: go ahead and fix them. Here is a list of the ones that I replaced:
if there is a need to add different parameters to {{infobox diocese}}, let me know and I can help with that as well. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll try to correct them. About parameters, it may be useful to add one similar to sui iuris church (a term in fact restricted to Catholic bodies), Orthodox mostly use the term "parent Church". Also, a field for music showing Musical tradition would be needed as it is often present (see here). A calendar parameter is also very useful, as these Churches use either the Julian or the Gregorian (revised Julian) calendar. Place Clichy (talk) 17:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Place Clichy: we have |sui_iuris_church= in there already, but I will add |parent_church=, |music=, and |calendar= in a moment. should we add |see=? most uses were generally redundant to |headquarters=. Frietjes (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I agree that see would be redundant. We can also have a look at when orthodoxwiki does on the diocese template (example of usage). Place Clichy (talk) 18:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Css Image Crop[edit]

Hi Frietjes, is there any way to get the Template:Css Image Crop to work in Mobile view? Thanks. Mitchumch (talk) 01:24, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@Mitchumch: good question. I don't know much about mobile view. you might try asking Edokter or Redrose64. Frietjes (talk) 13:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
The problem is in the tag <div style="position:relative;top:-{{{oTop}}}px;left:-{{{oLeft}}}px"> - it seems that the values for top: and left: need to be adjusted somehow. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
@Frietjes: and @Redrose64: thanks for responding. Fixing the template for mobile view is well beyond my sphere of understanding. Any suggestions on how to fix the tag <div style="position:relative;top:-{{{oTop}}}px;left:-{{{oLeft}}}px">? Mitchumch (talk) 10:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
It's not the tag itself, but the values that are passed into it. Compare the examples at the template's page in desktop view and in mobile view. If the browser has the feature that allows examination of the HTML and CSS, you will find that the images are there in both views - the problem in mobile view is that they have been slid so far up and left that they are outside the visible area. This is why I say it's the values for top: and left:. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:10, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Sorry for the overdue response. If I understand you correctly, the issue is with the browser, and not the template? Does another template need to be created that can function in both desktop and mobile view OR is there another work around? --Mitchumch (talk) 13:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:Tianjin districts[edit]

Having seen your great work at Template:Nanjing districts, I wondered if you could help remove the imperfection at Template:Tianjin districts to a greater degree than what has been done by Philg88. Thanks in advance. TLA 3x ♭ 05:27, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@The Last Arietta: fixed the spans, but the layout is going to be a bit odd since the aspect ratio isn't the best for embedding. there may be a different layout that works better, but that would require some experimentation. Frietjes (talk) 13:15, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
That's good enough. All I wanted was a more compact presentation. Not as easy to accomplish as I thought. TLA 3x ♭ 15:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:cite doi RfC[edit]

Because you commented at this discussion, I would appreciate your views at this RfC on the larger issue of DOI templates. Thanks! -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Sumo box[edit]

Check Ōnishiki Uichirō please. Sumo box seems to be very weird. It has break like, td tags, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

added a 'note' option to the sumo subtemplate, so you can use that instead. I fixed about a dozen of these, but I am sure there are more. Frietjes (talk) 13:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: if you check the "Career record" section of this version vs. this version you will notice extra space between the section heading and the table. I was able to fix it with this edit, which I am assuming removed some unprintable characters? would it be possible to go through all the transclusions of {{basho}} and (1) check/fix this sort of thing (note they may be either at the start or the end of the line) and (2) identify the ones that are still using <td>...</td>? thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
You removed "Unicode Character 'IDEOGRAPHIC SPACE' (U+3000)". Never heard of it before and wonder if I should add it to my CHECKWIKI error #16 list of invisible characters. I'll remove them all. - Magioladitis (talk) 15:43, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

In Infobox sumo wrester the name parameter should be split in to two. |name= and |native_name= to allow to work correctly with Wikidata in the future. I fixed all invisible characters. In some cases I may have done some mistakes (removed space between names instead of replacing with normal space). -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

It should be easy to do. Just rename name to native name and then replace breaking tag with |name=. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: added here as |native_name=. Frietjes (talk) 17:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Br tag necessary in infobox?[edit]

[15]. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

any non-blank value will work here. the code just requires {{#if:{{{combatant3|}}}|...}} to evaluate as true, so &nbsp; or &ensp; or <nowiki>...</nowiki> would work as well. the better fix would be to change the {{#if:{{{combatant3|}}}|...}} in the code to {{#if:{{{combatant3|}}}{{{combatant3a|}}}|...}} but that may require some discussion. Frietjes (talk) 13:31, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

CHECKWIKI July lists are available[edit]

For instance HTML table element and more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

BIRN Bosnia and Herzegovina it needs infobox. It's really awful what they did here. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

p tags. In many cases inside tables. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:03, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Please don't rush in with that one where railway stations are concerned. It's a nice list showing me what I overlooked when doing this cleanup eighteen months ago. For example, second from the top of the CHECKWIKI dump, I've been able to fix this. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:13, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
OK, I've fixed up all the rail ones. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:52, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

We now have only 3 pages with table tag. Two of them are similar. Logos International Study Bible seems really weird and via my mobile looks awful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Logos International Study Bible looked awful on desktop too. I removed the forced widths, it looks a little better. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:23, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...[edit]

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman, and the criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 02:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi! What do you suggest for infobox images (in the InfoboxImage module) as default size (frameless, some exact number of pixels, upright utc.) and why? -- (talk) 08:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi Frietjes. Is there any standard for the size of template and the kind of list? Personally I prefer smaller templates, and plainlist. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:58, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: there is a standard width, which is set by Template:infobox and Template:sidebar. when we deviate from that width, there can be strange text-overlap issues when several sidebars/infoboxes are stacked on the right side of the page. it's better to just use the default unless there is a strong reason not to do so. Frietjes (talk) 14:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes that need break tags to show logs correctly?[edit]

form a subgroup of Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/059 dump -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:13, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

This one Lotus 33 also claims that it needs break tag in |Engines=. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

And with User_talk:Magioladitis#nowiki_is_used all special cases are here. Please have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:28, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

fixed most of those, but what's wrong with the code tag? Frietjes (talk) 15:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Nothing really. User:Bgwhite's script ignores code tags and those pages appear as to have br tags at end of parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

PlWordNet this one has td tags inside wikitable. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

PriceSmart. I almost fixed but it looks awful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Generalized eigenvector is a chaos of p tags that define line-height for no apparent reason. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:36, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Inform WT:MATH, ask them to clean it up: I suspect that it should be using <math>...</math> --Redrose64 (talk) 21:08, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

List of Brazilian films of 1970[edit]

Hi, can you figure out what caused the table to fault?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:48, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Missing hyphen, 's all. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Infobox hotspot custom[edit]

Hello Frietjes. I was also having a problem with {{Infobox hotspot custom}}. A while ago I added more parameters to {{Infobox hotspot custom/doc}} (|image_alt=, |image_caption=, |country=, |state=, |province=, |territory=, |map=, |map_alt=, |map_caption=) so it would be more useful for hotspots found on Earth. However, like I said on the talk page of {{infobox mountain range}}, I do not know much on how these infobox templates work so I am stuck with this template also. I was wondering maybe you could help here. Thanks. Volcanoguy 22:42, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@Volcanoguy: done. Frietjes (talk) 20:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Lots of work would probably be needed to improve that template like {{Infobox mountain range}} huh? Volcanoguy 19:06, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

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Error with Infobox[edit]

Hi Frietjes, due to some problem with Infobox the contents of the articles are not visible :( please fix the error at Umerkote and Chilika page--Mrutyunjaya Kar (talk) 10:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

@MKar: someone broke or:Template:Rnd. It would be great if you could follow up with the message I left at or:ବ୍ୟବହାରକାରୀଙ୍କ ଆଲୋଚନା:ଶିତିକଣ୍ଠ ଦାଶ. thank you! Frietjes (talk) 14:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, it is an urgent request Frietjes, that i was editing Template:Infobox film awards page and i don't know suddenly what happened, the whole parameters of the template is now showing on every page, where ever this template is used, could you please help me to fix it, please. Fushan talk to Faizan 5 August 2014, 19:49 (UTC).

please help[edit]

something happened with the infobox political party

in the section of the infobox it the syntax looks like this

Socialism with

the correct version which was altered looks like this

Socialism with
Chinese Characteristics

please help (talk) 22:47, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

thank you for your help but that was not really what i meant, i should have been clearer, ok

the current version (your version) looks like this

Socialism with
Chinese Characteristics

but the correct version has the words communism and socialism in the same level and looks like this

Communism, Socialism with
Chinese Characteristics

i think about the Template not the article (talk) 23:05, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

No, you were clear. The place that the line wraps is going to depend on your browser. Frietjes (talk) 23:07, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

i made a mistake by writing this:

Communism, Socialism with
Chinese Characteristics

i meant this:

Communism, Socialism with
Chinese Characteristics (talk) 23:11, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
again, the place where the line breaks is going to depend on your web browser. Frietjes (talk) 23:13, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
i have both google chrome and internet explorer and they show the same (talk) 23:30, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
good. without stretching the infobox, it's going to wrap over more than one line. Frietjes (talk) 23:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
see and compare the infobox of that version with the current, and that linked version is the correct one (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
that version uses five lines for the ideology section in my browser (Firefox). Frietjes (talk) 23:45, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
this version looks the best in my browser (Firefox). Frietjes (talk) 23:48, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
what is the diffrence here other than the change from little s to big S? (talk) 00:17, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
please reply (talk) 01:20, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


please answer my post (talk) 15:23, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

what is there to answer? you can read the diff, so what is the problem? Frietjes (talk) 15:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Peculiar edits[edit]

Hi Frietjes! You and I have both recently reverted this user's edits. Something doesn't feel right here. They created an account on July 29, but did nothing. They returned six days later and brought their edit total up to exactly 10 (which would make them autoconfirmed). Of those 10 edits, two were user page fluff, and the rest were ALL WRONG. Unnecessary space in template, techniques doesn't make sense, wetlands --> westlands, unnecessary space in wikilink, area becomes areas, "a sponsoring editors". Color me a little suspicious. I wonder if he's setting up for a self promotion campaign. Anyhow, I think we should perhaps keep a close eye on 'im. And a very fine day to you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Awards Categories[edit]

Hello, Frietjes, i wanted to let you know that, i want to link the Best Film: Jury Choice to page ARY Film Award for Best Film Jury. I tried by changing parameter as you undid it again, if you can link in anyway then do it! because i tried it i couldn't.Fushantalk to Faizan 7 August 2014, 7:05 (UTC).

infobox upright= image setting[edit]

You're much more experienced with this setting. I'm having some difficulty at Template talk:Infobox software#removal of hardcoded image px sizes communicating with a couple of users there. I'm not sure if its a language problem or an understanding problem. I wanted to implement the upright= change on {{Infobox software}}, {{Infobox OS}}, and {{Infobox web browser}}, but I'm not making headway in explaining it to the two users that seem to operate as the "owners" of those templates. -- Netoholic @ 18:36, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


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This morning I am banned from nominating templates for deletion (but not from discussing them). I am happy enough that that administrator did not fall for the concerted actions of that wikiproject and banned me. Being not allowed to nominate is annoying enough. Face-smile.svg.

So, I like to draw your at Template:Mawazine 2012 setlists to seee if it needs further attention. The Banner talk 12:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi. Are you in Wikimania in London? I am! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:07, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: no, I have never been to a Wikimania event. I was in London about a year ago on business travel, but I am typically stuck in the US. Frietjes (talk) 14:07, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Please explain...[edit]

...why these list "breaks" are "browser-dependent". Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:55, 10 August 2014 (UTC) – PS Also, why do you spell "browser-dependent" with a hyphen?

where the browser wraps a list depends on the browser. what you have done is introduce an unnecessary WP:LISTGAP, when the better solution is to just let the browser decide where to wrap the list. Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I was just intrigued to see the formatting described as "browser-dependent" when the intention was to make it much more browser-independent – given the errors I regularly see here, it seems that browsers do need some assistance as regards when/where to wrap hlists in infoboxes. I've just tried another approach at {{History of science sidebar}}; what do you think? Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
    mostly fine. I removed the last listgap. Frietjes (talk) 18:22, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
    • I've just posted this request at Module:Sidebar's talkpage and am thinking of doing the same at Template:Infobox's talkpage. Sardanaphalus (talk) 14:22, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

And Things That Go Bump in the Night[edit]

Hi Frietjes. Thanks for your fine work on And Things That Go Bump in the Night. Did you really intend to add a second link to the Internet Broadway Database in the External links? --Foobarnix (talk) 23:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@Foobarnix: yes, although it seems rather silly in retrospect. they go to two different pages, using two different templates. the 'IBDB show' provides a lists of shows, while the 'IBDB title' provides a link to a particular production. hence, you could probably just remove the 'IBDB title' one as redundant, and less general. Frietjes (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


Any way I can help you with this task? Are there any fixed F&R rules? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: possibly, but I will probably end up going through all of them anyway. this is a straightforward replacement, but there is some concern that using a fixed number of columns is not the best idea, since the results are going to be suboptimal on a narrow screen. however, it would be silly to use fixed widths for a list with only two items, especially if the items are very short in length. so, I end up using a regexp to do most of the work, then tweak the result if necessary. it goes faster than many other tasks, in that I can easily do 100 to 200 per day without that much effort. so, at this rate, I will be done in a week. after I am done, it would be good to have a recheck, and possibly expand the list to include other div tags (e.g., div with class=references-small or similar such expressions). Frietjes (talk) 20:20, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox scholar, Sidebar/Infobox right-margins[edit]

Hello again, Frietjes:

Do you think the Notes section here should use e.g. font-size:95% rather than 90%..?

Also, re Module talk:Sidebar#margin-right:0.5em to help browsers wrap hlists (more) reliably, do you think this is worthwhile (unlike, it appears, Edokter) – and, if so, would be willing to implement it (for {{Infobox}}es as well as {{Sidebar}}s?)..?

Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 08:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

per wp:accessibility, we should avoid collapsing content, and should avoid using tables in this context. the preferred method for footnotes is the <ref>...</ref> system, which would automatically create the corresponding list of footnotes. since the parameters were not in use, I removed them. as far as the additional content/list styling goes, it seems pointless. I commented in the linked thread. Frietjes (talk) 13:55, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
  • The parameters were in use here, but never mind. As regards the Module talk:Sidebar thread, I've left a couple of queries there in reponse to your comment. Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
PS If the footnotes section ought not to be collapsed, should the same apply to the "Influenced by" and "Influenced" sections – and also in other infoboxes –?
the biggest problem is when a ref/note pair is not collapsed together since clicking on the ref won't take you to the note, or the other way around, depending on which is collapsed. I, personally, don't think the influenced sections should be collapsed. there have been some heated discussions about this, with some editors wanting to completely remove all infoboxes, or at the very least, have them collapsed by default. I would rather not wade into minefield, but there is no reason to collapse more than is necessary. Frietjes (talk) 20:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)