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Barnstar for you![edit]

Template:Infobox men's college basketball team‎, etc.[edit]

Frietjes, here's a template merge I would support in a heartbeat: Template:Infobox men's college basketball team‎ and Template:Infobox women's college basketball team‎.

Have you ever contemplated a comprehensive merge of all the college sports team infobox templates? With a handful of options, I think all U.S. college sports could be accommodated and the team infoboxes would then have a uniform appearance across all sports. Just a thought . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:48, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

the first is already proposed here. I had thought about the second as well, but it will take more time to work out all the details, since there are differences in the post-season tournament section for various sports. Frietjes (talk) 22:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
I just posted a comment in support of the merge of men's and women's college basketball templates. That pending merge should be a no-brainer, and you are clearly already on top of the two minor issues to be addressed in the combined template.
The creation of a combined infobox template for all U.S. college sports teams would require a lot of work and the inclusion of several options, but the core information to be included is common to all. Differences in NCAA playoff structure, etc., could be accommodated by options to be toggled as needed. The payoff would be worth the effort. Not only should these infoboxes have a common appearance within a given sport, the teams affiliated with a given university should also have a common appearance and graphics style, and that can only be accomplished by a common template across all college sports teams. I think you would find the college football, basketball and baseball sports projects to be supportive, and the other college sports do not have active/vocal WikiProjects and tend to follow the lead of the football, basketball and baseball projects. I would be grateful for your help in making this happen, but I also understand that you have numerous pending template projects already. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Is merge possible?[edit]

I wonder how possible is to merge Template:Infobox WNBA biography into Template:Infobox basketball biography. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:30, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: possible but difficult, and given the existence of Template:Infobox NBA biography, seems one-sided to only merge one. Frietjes (talk) 14:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:Infobox NBA biography is a redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
@Magioladitis: oops, yes, you're right. then, I suppose it seems like a logical merger. someone would need to do some more in depth analysis of what would be required to merge them. Frietjes (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

There are 5 things to take care of:

  • |highschool= needs to be renamed to |high_school=
  • |draft= needs to be demerged to |draft_round= and |draft_pick=. |overseas_career_start= and *|overseas_career_end= do not exist in Infobox basketball biography
  • |profile= is |NBA_profile= so I guess we only need to support both
  • career_teams, overseas_career_teams, awards, medal_templates, medal_templates-expand do not exist in Infobox basketball biography

-- Magioladitis (talk) 14:21, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: seems many of the field labels have WNBA in them as well (e.g., "WNBA head coach of" and "Non-WNBA career")? Frietjes (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
WBNA career can certainly change to just Career but in worst case scenario we could use Template:Infobox basketball biography as the base infobox for Template:Infobox WNBA biography. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:28, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox pipeline[edit]

Hi, Frietjes. You are expert in the field of infoboxes. Could yo please see {{Infobox pipeline}}. The field discharge_bbl_d is meant to be million barrels per day; however, it uses Mbbl/d instead of MMbbl/d. Could you fix this? Thank you in advance. Beagel (talk) 05:33, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Tables not correct end[edit]

There is this list of 3,000 pages with tables that do not correct end Wikipedia:CHECKWIKI/028 dump, usually because they contain some header template and not the corresponding footer template. I believe that you are interested in this kind of stuff. In some cases the missing footer template should be created. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:53, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

New list released. Same place. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:17, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: would be good to get the false positives removed. this is triggered by the {{{|safesubst:}}} which, apparently, is being confused with the start of a table. Frietjes (talk) 14:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Only by removing redlinks and duplicates, list was reduced by 600 items. I'll ask Bgwhite to exclude {{{|safesubst:}}} using checkwiki's code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I cleaned out articles starting with a thru i. The rest of the articles with {{{|safesubst:}}} should either go red or revert back to normal within a week. Bgwhite (talk) 17:11, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
@Bgwhite, Magioladitis: it seems as though this is a false positive? according to {{H:IPA}}, a brace is a valid input, but is also equivalent to ae, and others. Frietjes (talk) 23:56, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Fro the first time we now detect unbalanced td tags too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Need(s) proper infobox[edit]

I like the header ;)

Something from Lua[edit]

Hi! I posted at User talk:Mr. Stradivarius, but it looks, that Mr. Stradivarius won't respond. So maybe you could have a look:

I wanted to import the portal module to Latvian Wikipedia, but we have diffrent system, as we don't have very much portals and the syntax is a little bit different. I created such data page:

'Portal name' = 'parameter 1', 'parameter 2', 'parameter 3', 'parameter 4' (optionally)

If it would be template, then its code would be something like this (for each portal):

[[File:{{{parameter 3}}}|{{{parameter 4}}}]] [[Portāls:{{{parameter 2}}} portāls|{{{parameter 1}}}]]

And for inclusion in article I would write {{portal|<<here goes the portal name (from data module)>>}}.

So, how it looks to You? You can make any changes for the module @lv wiki, you won't ruin anything as it isn't used.

If the 'Portal name' would be case sensitive (it would be nice, if not)?--Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

List of pages with unclosed center tags[edit]

User:Magioladitis/sandbox. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:10, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Pages with p tags[edit]

Mainly used to align inside tables or define background color. The list had 12,000 entries but I did most of them. The others need more thorough look.

Only 22 left but in most of them I need your help. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Since you know more tricks than I do, you could check Wikipedia:WikiProject Check Wikipedia/Error 039 whitelist too? Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:05, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Magioladitis I don't think we need a white list. I think I got all but two, and will do the final two tomorrow. Frietjes (talk) 00:18, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Magioladitis all but one done. note that <poem>...</poem> is not a <p>...</p> even though the both start with p. the "English translations of Homer" article is a mess, will ask for input at WT:ACCESSIBILITY. Frietjes (talk) 14:14, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. You are great. After your edits I also think we have to completely remove the whitelist. In the past, we did not know how to handle some of these cases. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:33, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

TwoLeg start[edit]

I have some proposal for a new module. Basically it would implement Template:TwoLeg start (and result) templates, but it could be functionality could be expanded to more legs. There could be such module result:

{{#invoke: Leg|main|legs=2
here goes some formatting things (result width eg.) and maybe some optional text for cells
|{{fb-rt|SCO}} || 1–6 | '''{{fb|NED}}''' || 1–0 | 0–6

would produce

Team 1 Agg. Team 2 1st leg 2nd leg
Scotland  1–6  Netherlands 1–0 0–6

And to use the module for existing templates, there could be functions for that, so TwoLegStart's code could be replaced with something like {{#invoke: Leg|start|legs=2}}.

And for the optional text for cells:

--Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 10:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

CHECKWIKI October lists are available[edit]

tables not correct end. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:06, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Removal of Municipality Seals[edit]

Kindly state your reason in the Edit summary the deletion of municipality seals of San Luis, Arayat, Castillejos, Botolan and Iba. Exec8 (talk) 10:38, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@Exec8: wasn't me, they were removed from wikidata here. Frietjes (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Aligned table and "sortable" class, colstyle etc?[edit]

Hello, Frietjes: I'm sure I managed to get the "sortable" class to work with {{Aligned table}} previously, but now find I'm unable to do so – what step or trick have I forgotten? Yours, Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:03, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@Sardanaphalus: doubt it was working before, but should work now. added an example to the documentation. Frietjes (talk) 14:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks – it seems to working fine now. By chance, I was reminded of somewhere where I knew it had been working for a while: {{Principal religious texts}}. (I don't know, though, if/when it stopped working there before now.)
    If |row1header=on is necessary to make (full) use of classes such as "wikitable", "sortable", etc, shall I add that information to the documentation?
I've also just finished using {{Aligned table}} with some code that begins:
{{Aligned table
 |cols=5 |class=wikitable
 |col1nowrap=on |col2nowrap=on |col3nowrap=on
 |col1style=vertical-align:middle;padding:0.25em 4.0em 0.25em 0.5em;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;
 |col2style=vertical-align:middle;padding:0.25em 0.5em;
 |col3style=vertical-align:middle;padding:0.25em 0.5em;
 |col4style=vertical-align:middle; |col5style=vertical-align:middle;
This reminds me to ask whether it's possible to give {{Aligned table}} a colstyle parameter (perhaps also colwrap, colalign, etc parameters?) in order to reduce redundancy, i.e. so that the above could be replaced with e.g.
{{Aligned table
 |cols=5 |class=wikitable
 |colnowrap=on |colstyle=vertical-align:middle;  <!--(or e.g. colstyle=vertical-align:middle;white-space:nowrap; ...?)-->
 |col1style=padding:0.25em 4.0em 0.25em 0.5em;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic;
 |col2style=padding:0.25em 0.5em;
 |col3style=padding:0.25em 0.5em;
(And something like |colNstyle=colMstyle=... would be a bonus.)
Hope all well, Sardanaphalus (talk) 10:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

It contains table inside infobox[edit]

...and AutoEd fails to fix this properly. It is Paris! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Three queries[edit]

Hello again, Frietjes:

  • Re this, do you know whether there are e.g. HTML tags that can indicate the start and end of a single list that otherwise has accessibility gaps – for instance, if there's something like <name such as "list", "singlelist">...</name such as "list", "singlelist"> between which the items in more than one of the usual horizontal/vertical/bulleted/numbered/etc lists are treated as if forming a single list – ? My web-browsing so far hasn't indicated anything, but my search may not be efficient.
    • I have never heard of the term 'accessibility gaps'.
      I mean something like this:
<singlelist>  or  <div something="singlelist">  or ...
* item
* {{hlist |item |item}}
* item
* item
* item
* item
</singlelist>  or  </div>  or ...
where "item"s between the tags, however many separate lists they may form technically, are treated by screen-readers etc as forming a single list...?
  • {{Information/testcases}}: The {{PD-self}} box in the "Permissions" section of the sandbox version doesn't fill the same width as in the same section of the main-template version. Can you see what I'm missing in the sandbox version, please?
    • you need bodyclass = mbox-inside
      Thanks. That and then setting border=none made the difference.
  • Any thoughts re my most recent message above?
    • possible, but a better place to discuss features would be on the talk page of the template in question. Frietjes (talk) 14:19, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
      I'll post the request/suggestion there.


Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:35, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Sardanaphalus (talk) 20:15, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hungarian four coluor map[edit]

Thanks for the offer of help. Sorry to take so long to reply, but I was banned by an admin with a trigger finger. I don't think I did anything wrong except the usual BRD but I think new admin and wanted to use his power unwontedly. So be it, I had other things to do and got a three day ban I didn't even notice. Nice to be back making WP better, I thought that was what we came here for. Or perhaps to get admin status to fire off at users who spend hours making maps better.

It is a queer one. I took it off the old map and I swear it is the same coords. It is the same SVG but I coloured it as a four colour map (well five if you include Lake Balaton but that can go to four colours if we were desparately trying to do so: its neighbouring counties are in colours to leave one clear for the lake if we are going to be all mathematical about it). I bleow up the map to A1 this is a German map and couldn't find the longitude. I don't have it now but the longitude was possibly Berlin, certainly was not Greenwich. I did as you said and took various measures of lat and long in various ways and could never get it square. I tried moving the 0 degrees long to Paris, which they tried until about 1880 I think and then gave up and said "0 degrees, minus 6 minutes 13 seconds, from Greenwich" or something like that, so it is a puzzle on the map what the lat and long are actually referenced to. I tried to take points at the corners as you suggest, and then interpolate from there, but that didn't work either. All I ended up with was a waste of paper and my neighbours suspecting me to be a brothel because all my windows were covered in sheets of paper!

I imagine it is pretty simple and anything I can do to help you, let me know. The text needs to be fixed but that is a relatively simple job, getting the coords right is what foxed me.


I should add, perhaps, I have been offered admin several times over the years. I prefer to be a pleb. Si Trew (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
My uncle has the original map, which is a railway map of MÁV Hungarian State Railways, of 1968. I framed it and sent it to him back to England so it is in his model train shed aka loft. But the one I took the dims of was a German one of about 1920, and was well out. I tried to corrobarate with various atlases and so on but to no avail. Si Trew (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
@SimonTrew: The program that I wrote can compute the coefficients for a general nonlinear transformation, so even if it is some general nonlinear transformation we can make it work. For example, if you check the transformations that are used for Template:Location map Canada, which is quadratic, or the one used for Module:Location_map/data/Africa, which is trigonometric. if you can tell me the GPS coordinates of some border intersections, I can work on solving for the transformation that will make it work as a location map. Frietjes (talk) 00:05, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The way I tried it is down at the bottom left (I hesitate to say south west) you have Fiume, now in Croatia, on the coast on a peninsular. Then Budapest is roughly in the centre, and I took a couple of points on the border e.g. Mosonmagyarovar is a few km inside the Hungarian border from Austria, and Bratislava (Poszony) can work quite well, or perhaps Komarom/Komarno (which was essentially split in two when they drew up the borders at the Treaty of Trianon). But I could not work out the projection, something always went out. It looks like it should be a Mercator projection of some kind - the latitude lines are parallel and the longitude lines bend a little - but at this latitude they don't bend very much so it is hard to say. Best thing is for me to try to find the original map for you.
I put all the county info etc on separate layers in the SVG and labelled them sensibly, so in one sense I have done the hard work, but the labels never seem to align with the places. I was fiddling with this forever, I think {{location map}} assumes a projection and this isn't quite it, but close enough to being square at this latitude that it shouldn't be THAT far out, I was getting things WAY out. If Dalston Junction was like that, Central Line tube to Chancery Lane ends up in East Kilbride. Si Trew (talk) 05:09, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Template coding[edit]

Timeline of Skanderbeg template[edit]


With this edit (diff) you removed title of the navigation template and link to its main article. Was it intentional?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:14, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

@Antidiskriminator: the timeline is only used in Timeline of Skanderbeg, so having a link to Timeline of Skanderbeg in the Timeline of Skanderbeg article is pointless. an even better option would be to completely merge it with the article, since it's only used in one article. Frietjes (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. There are several other articles in which this template should be included, i.e. Skanderbeg (now its only in see also section) or Principality of Kastrioti. I expect that in future there would be more specialized articles which could benefit from inclusion of this template (i.e. Religion of Skanderbeg). That is why I think that link to the title should be left in the name of the template, not as notice. What do you think about it? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:01, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
seems hard to read, especially the red/green background. but, I really don't have a strong opinion about what you do with it. just don't use {{collapse top}}/{{collapse bottom}}, since those are non-functional in the print and mobile views. Frietjes (talk) 19:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there any other way to make this template collapsible, without using those two templates?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
@Antidiskriminator: possible, but highly discouraged per MOS:COLLAPSE. Frietjes (talk) 19:47, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
It says: "Collapsible sections or cells may be used in tables that consolidate information covered in the main text, and in navboxes." This is navbox.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:52, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
you should change WP:NAVBOX to include graphical timelines. Frietjes (talk) 19:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

End vs Col-end[edit]

Can you tell the difference between {{End}} and {{Col-end}}? -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:44, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Magioladitis, currently no difference in terms of implementation. in my opinion, every {{col-begin}} should be matched with a {{col-end}}, since it balances the tags, and so that the particular implementation of multiple columns could be changed in the future (say to using the methods used by {{colbegin}}/{{colend}}). as far as I can tell, {{end}} is a sort of catch-all table end for templates which create table headers, and in theory should probably be replaced with more specific versions (e.g., {{s-start}} and {{s-end}}). in particular, if we have elements which do not appear in print, we should be consistent to make sure all the subelements do not appear in print. of course, you don't really need either of them at the moment, since both could be replaced by |}, but this makes things harder for bracketbot, since it looks like there are unbalanced brackets. Frietjes (talk) 15:20, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I agree. The problem with some of the 3000 pages with unbalanced brackets is that in some cases {{end}} was used instead of |}. I try to fix most of them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Magioladitis, yes, if it starts with {|, it should end with |}, if it uses a template which generates {| (like {{s-start}}), it should end with a template that generates the |} (like {{s-end}}). all templates which generate {| should have a brother/sister template which generates the |}. Frietjes (talk) 15:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist[edit]


Please could you work some template magic on {{Infobox musical artist}}, to merge into it the |honorific_prefix= & |honorific_suffix= code from {{Infobox person}}? It's complicated by a) the existing code for when the musician template is embedded and b) the fact that honorifcs should not be shown if the subject is a group. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Thanks for the article changes :) Viktor O. Ledenyov (talk) 14:07, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Partial translation[edit]

Um, thank you, that was very helpful...just wondering, do realize that you were editing a sandbox, right? WQUlrich (talk) 18:40, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

um, yes. Frietjes (talk) 18:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
um, OK. Thanks again. Face-smile.svg WQUlrich (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Justice album[edit]

Sorry I got in your way, but I assume you don't know that the article is nominated for FA, and your revert doesn't help getting it promoted. If the reason for your revert is your own personal visual preference, I suggest to drop it.--Retrohead (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

@Retrohead: the rationale is given on the talk page. Frietjes (talk) 16:47, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I saw that. "The need" appears to be your visual preference, as I stated above. I don't see anything problematic with merged quote boxes such as those at OK Computer. Both quotes regard the album's music and it's much more useful and space wise to have them in one box.--Retrohead (talk) 05:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
@Retrohead: the precise reason is for using proper quote boxes in ...And Justice for All (album) is wp:accessibility for screen readers for the visually impaired, which is more of a "lack of visual" preference. it looks like Bgwhite fixed the quote boxes in OK Computer#Musical influence. seems like the issues have been resolved, thank you for your help. Frietjes (talk) 13:57, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Infobox bridge[edit]

Something in the changes you made to Template:Infobox bridge has caused a number of articles to be listed in Category:Pages with malformed coordinate tags. I appreciate any work that people do to improve templates, but it would certainly be helpful if they cleaned up any problems that their changes gave rise to. Deor (talk) 22:19, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

@Deor: just exposed problems that weren't being exposed before. should be straightforward to fix like this, for example. Frietjes (talk) 22:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
I see there's more. In a change you made to Alfred H. Smith Memorial Bridge, you used two parameters not listed in the infobox's documentation. Did you just add these? I like that it gets rid of the need for a {{Location map}} template, but we must have current documentation. - Denimadept (talk) 22:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
@Deor: will document the new |map_type= in a moment. Frietjes (talk) 22:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

The Work[edit]

I am led to believe that there are three answers for this. You are a bot, you have like 5 computers, or you are just unrealistically fast. You made 28 edits on around 7 or more different articles in less than 2 minutes. Got any comments to clear this up for me? InfernusIsHiding-Talk 15:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

@Infernus 780: I load a batch of articles in tabs, make edits using 'regular expression search and replace', then save them. Frietjes (talk) 15:17, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, keep up the insanely fast good work. InfernusIsHiding-Talk 15:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

table question[edit]

How would you fix Toby Imada and Tiffany van Soest. Both belong to #28. I'm not a fan of the navboxes. Bgwhite (talk) 23:32, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite, made them slightly less horrible. Frietjes (talk) 23:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. There are alot of these types of articles for #28 and I've been struggling on the best way of doing them. Now I have a template. Thank you again. Bgwhite (talk) 00:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Clean up of 'Canon EF 50mm lens' doesn't look good.[edit]

Hi Frietjes,

I have just seen your clean up of the 'Canon EF 50mm lens' page. The content alignment at the table is not at the center anymore (I don't know why). I have seen your clean up of the 'Canon EF 28mm lens', which looks much more better. I don't know your intention, if this change in the layout was on purpose or by mistake. Could you please check your clean up, maybe revert it for the 'Canon EF 50mm lens'? Please give me also some feedback about your opinion about this comment.

BR Gode — Preceding unsigned comment added by GodeNehler (talkcontribs) 15:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

GodeNehler, added a 'text-align:center', which should fix it. Frietjes (talk) 15:58, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response. It's looks good now. Gode — Preceding unsigned comment added by GodeNehler (talkcontribs) 16:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Babel and Instruments[edit]

Regarding this, couldn't you have just added 'Template:User Instruments List' to the wrapper templates on line 9 of the module? That should let you change it back to a blank invoke, because the module would actually look at that other template for parameters too. moluɐɯ 04:25, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

@The Mol Man: yes, changing the module would have been much easier. please feel free to do so. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Probably. But it's protected. I can't edit it. I'll leave it to you since you have TE rights. Or I can make a PER later today. moluɐɯ 16:20, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
@The Mol Man: do you think it's worth it, given that {{User Instruments List}} has under 100 transclusions? Frietjes (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it should matter much. It's just an extra argument in that method. I think you could argue the efficiency the module loses is insignificant, especially compared to what will be saved on the template. moluɐɯ 17:06, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
@The Mol Man: moved it to {{Babel instruments}} and tried to modify the module to make the custom header/footer work, but it didn't work. I am guessing it's an error on my part (not understanding parentFirst or something). Frietjes (talk) 20:29, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


Hi there,

I've made some copy edit changes to Edifecs Inc. and responded to yours (and others) at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_October_3#Edifecs_Inc. Just to let you know; I imagine you got a notification anyway. Si Trew (talk) 22:00, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Ignore me. Yours is the section above ({{cb}}. I think the browser got confused – someone added a section or something – and for some reason thought you were the originator rather than the one who was. Sorry about that. I have responded to the cb one, though! Si Trew (talk) 22:04, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

table help[edit]

enwiki dump started up, so hopefull new checkwiki reports in a couple of days. ESports Award has table problems galore and I'm having troubles fixing it. With so many table borked, it will cause duplicates in the checkwiki report. Bgwhite (talk) 00:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Navbox directly inserted by anonoymous IP in many pages[edit]

Check this guy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:28, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Magioladitis, I've reverted everything between 1966-1981. I'll do more tomorrow. It's almost my bedtime. Ahhh, those were some good years and some years I wasn't even twinkle in my parent's eye. I do remember one of those years very well. Satan came to me and said I was a disappointment. I will be going to earth and edit Wikipedia, so when I return, I could edit hellpedia for all of eternity. Bgwhite (talk) 07:46, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Searching for "navbox" in wikisearch gives a lot of pages with infoboxes/navboxes directly added. I found some interesting stuff. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:01, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

these are fixed (i.e., none are show up as links with transclusion). Frietjes (talk) 19:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Lua module:historical populations[edit]

Sorry Frietjes, but I'm calling you direct because it looks like you're the queen of this particular module.

Basically the annual growth rates look completely wrong, in Tagbilaran. I can't hack the lua code to see what's going on there. But take any value in the table, multiply it by its stated growth enough times, and it should come to the next figure, or close enough to with rounding. But:

Historical populations
Year Pop. ±% p.a.
1990 56,363 —    
1995 66,683 +3.42%
2000 77,700 +3.11%
2007 92,297 +2.49%
2010 96,792 +1.60%
Population census of Tagbilaran
Year Pop. ±% p.a.
1990 56,363 —    
1995 66,683 +3.20%
2000 77,700 +3.33%
2007 92,297 +2.40%
2010 96,792 +1.75%
56363 * (1.032)^5 = 65977
66683 * (1.0333)^5 = 78550
77700 * (1.024)^7 = 91732
92297 * (1.0175)^3 = 97228

These numbers are too wrong to be put down to rounding. Actual annual growth for last value is 1.6%. I remember raising this point more than a year ago (with a different page) but I guess nothing happened.

These days I only log in for special occasions - keep away from all the pseuds and posers. (Not you) John of Cromer (talk) mytime= Sat 12:44, wikitime= 04:44, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

@Johnperry: it's possible that the calculation is wrong; the formula came from {{PAGR}}. however, the main thing to notice is that {{Philippine Census}} is a frontend for {{historical populations}} which adds months to the years. for example, 1980.3333 is used for 1980. to show the difference, I have added a direct use of historical populations to your examples. the long discussion can be found at template talk:Philippine Census#Per annum growth rates incorrect?. Frietjes (talk) 12:29, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant. Thanks! You're always helpful, always speedy, always precise. No prima donna, no NIH syndrome. (not signed in) (talk) 14:21, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
After reading up everything, I realised that the current computations are correct. I did toy with the idea of either (a) adding the data-month to the output of year input; or (b) fudging the population numbers to reflect the growth numbers. Either way would be messy. In the end I decided just to add a footnote to the table explaining apparent discrepancies. See Tagbilaran#demographics. Perhaps that should be automatically included in {{Philippine Census}}?
I am concerned/surprised to see that the year+fraction has been hard-coded into {{Philippine Census}}. I think that's a mistake, as it makes it very difficult to call {{PAGR}} directly, and will certainly be very difficult for other editors even to find the numbers. (see Tagbilaran#barangay). I think there should be another template, for instance {{pcensus year}} whose input is integer year and whose output is year-fraction. This will clarify the logic in {{Philippine Census}} eg.from | {{#if:{{{2010|}}}|2010.3315}} | {{{2010|}}} to | {{#if:{{{2010|}}}|{{pcensus year|2010}} | {{{2010|}}}. In fact if the junior template merely returns unrecognised input, each line could reduce to eg. | {{pcensus year |2010}} (talk) 04:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
if you want to make further refinements/changes, feel free to make a proposal at template talk:Philippine Census. Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
I did that the other day but no response yet. (talk) 10:37, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Berek. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, August 2006 in the United States, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Berek (talk) 07:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

thanks. I just moved it, and didn't mean to curate it. you may want to do the same for the other two. Frietjes (talk) 12:30, 11 October 2014 (UTC)


Just noticed you're cleaning my recent edits. Thank you. Part (talk) 09:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)


Hope you caught on that the {{hands}} is "stable" (pun intended). No clue how many articles it's in, but we have 3000+ on WikiProject Equine and close to 10,000 articles tagged for Wikiproject horse racing. Chances good it's used on at least half of all the above. Would suggest taking major changes to WikiProject Equine before randomly changing it on some but not all articles. We also had the template gurus do a crapload of work on the convert template so it could go the opposite direction (cm or in to hands). Really hope you won't be hitting any more articles with changes? AGF? Montanabw(talk) 07:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Montanabw the {{hands}} template is used in fewer than 250 articles, so it seems as though the standard is to use {{convert}} instead. I realize that you curate these articles, so any changes that I make will be reverted. Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Um no, and this alone says over 250 articles. WPEQ developed this template (Dana boomer was lead, not me) and if it is not used, then the problem is that there is no hands template at all, or just hands given manually and then conversion for inches and cm. We have a few cases that use convert to put metric measurements first, followed by hands and inches, which is a time you will find convert used with hands, I think it currently is being used on maybe 20 or so articles. The REAL problem is that not all articles have had the convert template applied, or applied throughout, see links to hand (unit) -which is complicated by the article also linking to Template hands whenever that template is used (at least at first use), so very hard to tell which articles have it and which do not, save on a case-by-case basis. And don't throw OWN at me when I am trying to exercise quality control and please respect my understanding of technical language. AGF please. Montanabw(talk) 16:11, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Montanabw, thanks for the link, it's actually under 200 articles. you need to make sure you restrict the namespace to articles when you count with 'what links here'. I can't really help you with changing the hard-coded instances, since my edits are not welcome in these articles. Frietjes (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, if you want to go pout, that's your decision, but please don't screw things up with your "own" consensus of one. If you ahve a logical argument other than IDONTLIKEIT, do let me know. Otherwise, leave well enough alone. Montanabw(talk) 21:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Montanabw the {{hands}} template only converts in one direction, which means it will not be consistent with conversion in the opposite direction. the problem can already be seen from the fact that {{hands}} sometimes links to 'hand (length)' and sometimes links to 'hand (unit)'. in addition, it uses {{convert/numdisp}}, which does not use WP:LUA, and broken bold markup (search for <b/> in the code).
Um, I think that's impossible; a template links to a single article - hands (unit). (Got a case in point? I find none) Or at least, it's supposed to. At any rate, if there is a technical problem, the solution is to fix the template, not deprecate it to "convert." TONS of time went into creating {{hands}}; it's beautiful and simple to use. So how about we take any technical problems to the proper techie board and let's fix it; no sense screwing up a whole bunch of articles. Montanabw(talk) 04:55, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
We have about 350 articles just on breeds, where it is mostly used, and if it's 200 (I don't think you are crunching the numbers properly, but whatever) it's still the majority of the articles where it is used (we don't need it on, say, saddle or bridle) Further, absent any evidence that convert is used anywhere but the cases where we have other measurement units before hands, it is the majority use of a template. There is no reason to throw out an excellent and simple template. I don't know what your issue is here. The template gurus created it, and WPEQ has sanctioned it. 21:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
right, because I am the one who is counting, and this count performed by the server is entirely wrong. the issue is reducing the number of unit conversion templates when there is clear redundancy (as demonstrated in the documentation for hands). Frietjes (talk) 22:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but "I'm the one who is counting" doesn't impress me; but in any case, see above. Montanabw(talk) 04:55, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
IS there any way to determine when Convert has been used for hands? I can't do so... I see it used a lot like this: 14.2 [[hand (unit)|hands]] ({{convert|58|in}} so just searching for convert within wPEQ or WP Horse racing won't work...Montanabw(talk) 16:16, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
if you want to eradicate check the uses of 'convert' with the 'hands' unit, start a thread at Template talk:convert. Frietjes (talk) 16:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
It's your burden to justify such a change. I have no interest in using anything other than {{hands}} save for those limited cases where additional specialization is needed. what possible justification do you have for going around and changing something perfectly acceptable? It ain't broken! Montanabw(talk) 21:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't doubt you normally, but whatlinkshere shows 192 articles where Template:Hands is used. Frietjes used that link above. By contrast, your link shows 252 pages. Frietjes is very helpful and is not a warrior either. I don't know why there aren't many articles using {{hands}}—perhaps Template:Hands was in an infobox, and the infobox now uses Template:Convert? I can look for convert using hands later, if needed (later = I've got a couple of dramas atm). Johnuniq (talk) 08:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

pop density[edit]

I see you changed it to auto on Tagbilaran and it worked although nothing else changed did it? (Except I don't like the rounding.) It's similarly wrong on Cogon. "John" (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

the auto option rounds to 2 sigfigs, since anything more precise is meaningless. Frietjes (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Template:Style and a question[edit]

Hello again, Frietjes. Hope all well.

The {{bigger}}s were there because the list titles otherwise look the same as a bold link in a list (bold when the template's on the page linked). Would e.g. giving a background to the list titles be an acceptable alternative?

Regards, Sardanaphalus (talk) 12:00, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

PS I forgot the question: Can you amend the Lua module:Sidebar so that determining which (if any) list is to be shown expanded is case-insensitive as regards list[N]name, please? (i.e. "Listname" ≡ "listname" ≡ "listName", etc.)

there is no reason to use a font-size other than the default. if you want a change made to sidebar, make a request at Module talk:Sidebar. Frietjes (talk) 14:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Request made. As regards a reason for the resizing, I gave one – so, if the resizing is something you dislike, how about using backgrounds to make the distinction? Sardanaphalus (talk) 18:22, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


Hello again, Frietjes – What would you say was amiss with this version of the template (preview it with the initial <includeonly> removed/commented-out)..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 21:16, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

too many clicks required to expand the collapsed within collapsed, and way over styled, but you should really ask the editor who reverted your edits. Frietjes (talk) 21:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:S-line/Edmonton LRT left/Valley[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:S-line/Edmonton LRT left/Valley has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. 117Avenue (talk) 00:11, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Strange template[edit]

Could you take a look at Template:Miss Universe 2015 delegates. This seems like an article in template space. What do you think? The Banner talk 17:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

fixed. the issue stems from the fact that Miss Universe 2015 is creation-protected, and IPs can't create articles. so editors try to circumvent this by usurping existing articles, redirects, templates, .... Frietjes (talk) 17:28, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
To be true, I have the idea that there is a sockfarm active on this field. To many user created in the same period and working in tandem to write/update articles about pageants. And the original creator of this template is in real life a pageant-owner/organiser. Just Google on his name. But up to now, I have only suspicious feelings, no proof of any wrongdoing. The Banner talk 17:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)