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Please do not add or change content, as you did at Kollam, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 00:55, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Dear Toddst1: I have a reliable source to cite. Please review. Thanks. The link again, is: http://www.iho.int/iho_pubs/standard/S-23/S-23_Ed3_1953_EN.pdf

Citations go in the article not in the edit summary! Toddst1 (talk) 19:52, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:JK Nair/esSENSE Global

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 18:19, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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Reply

First a word about your repeated copyright violations of book covers

• You licensed the images as "Own work". I don't believe that the covers are your own work, or that you own their copyright.
• Confusingly you also said the authors allowed you to use their books. I don't believe that either, but in any case, they would need to donate the rights to their work to Wikipedia, not you
• I doubt that authors own the copyright of the book artwork either, more likely to be the publisher
• You said the images were too low-res for commercial use. That is completely irrelevant, if they are recognisable copies, they are copyright

Why did you ask my advice on my talk page and then just carry on posting promo?

You say that you have no conflict of interest, and I'll assume good faith for now, but considering the clear untruths you claimed for the book images, I'm not totally convinced.

Also read the following regarding writing an article: The version in question was the one I deleted yesterday.

• you must provide independent verifiable sources to enable us to verify the facts and show that it meets the notability guidelines. Sources that are not acceptable include those linked to the organisation or company, press releases, YouTube, IMDB, social media and other sites that can be self-edited, logs, websites of unknown or non-reliable provenance, and sites that are just reporting what the company or organisation claims or interviewing its management. Note that references should be in-line so we can tell what fact each is supporting, and should not be bare urls

• Most of your text was unsourced, the rest was sourced to inappropriate sources like the organisation itself, or the Times of India article, quoting an organiser. We need independent third-party sources. Your refs were bare urls

• The notability guidelines for organisations and companies have been updated. The primary criteria has five components that must be evaluated separately and independently to determine if it is met:

1. significant coverage in
2. independent,
3. multiple,
4. reliable,
5. secondary sources.

Note that an individual source must meet all four criteria to be counted towards notability.

Reading your text, the organisation appears to have no headquarters, staff, income, expenditure or membership. Even if all that you wrote could be verified, there is nothing to indicate how it meets the notability criteria above.

• You must write in a non-promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, with verifiable facts, not opinions or reviews.

• You text was a a bit of unsourced background and history lots of aims and missions, and few real facts about the organisation apart from an interminable and pointless list of events

• There shouldn't be any url links in the article, only in the "References" or "External links" sections.
• You must not copy text from elsewhere. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Wikipedia, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. We require that text posted here can be used, modified and distributed for any purpose, including commercial; text is considered to be copyright unless explicitly stated otherwise. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Wikipedia, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient.

The U5 is because you used a user subpage for your draft, instead of a draft article page.

Note also that social media and YouTube are not acceptable external links.

You mentioned, without links, other articles. The fact that other articles have not been deleted doesn't help you, either they met the criteria or should be deleted as well. See What about article x?. Also note that many articles would have been accepted before the notability guidelines were made stricter.

Before attempting to write an article again, please make sure that the topic meets the notability criteria linked above, and check that you can find independent third party sources.

Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

First of all, my sincere gratitude to you for actually explaining the details, policies, and the problems with my submission and declarations. No Wikipedia moderators/admins have ever responded to my questions in the past. Maybe they didn't have to. But you changed that experience of mine, and I thank you for that.

I consider this whole experience as learning from mistakes. I am learning something everyday. In the past few days, I have learnt more Wikipedia “things” than I ever had before.

I understand that I repeatedly violated the copyright on the book covers. I completely agree with your statement on that. That was the result of following discussions in online fora about image uploads to Wikipedia. Especially the part about "low resolution images being of no commercial value." I followed incorrect guidelines which stated that an altered image file (highly compressed/pixellated images) can be uploaded as own "work," meaning, that you “created” that file. In fact, that particular statement was by someone who claimed to be a Wikipedia admin.

I have read Wikipedia pages about these polices also, but they would get quite overwhelming at times. Many pages, many links, new terminology, etc. But in reality, that's the nature of the subject.

I agree that those cover page designs are not at all my creations. However, a representative from the publisher (D C Books) was contacted, and was in agreement with the usage of the images. Now, I understand that that was far from being a formal permission - which brings me to this question: I read that the "publisher must donate the image(s) to Wikipedia." How do they do that? Should they upload it themselves, directly, using their own Wikipedia account? What do they have to do, so that it can be verified officially? If they can be educated, they may be willing to. If there's a page that they can read, I can send them a link. Thanks for any help on that.

Incidentally, I did reach out to the author (a single individual - the author of the book, but not the creator of the cover page), and did get his "permission." But it wasn't clear as to who (if any) owned a copyright to the cover itself.

About asking your advice and then just posting a submission for review...

I was just trying to be "proactive" (based on my own wrong interpretation of "proactive") by submitting a version of the article that I believed I had cleaned up enough. I should have waited. Another bad judgement. Lesson learnt.

About COI, again, based on my understanding, I am sure I don't see any. I have no relationship with the organization. I don’t receive funds or favors for my time. I did do some reading on their website (my mistake, again) and some local media to get some details about the organization. And I reached out to a representative to request some details about some past activities (quantitative; not qualitative). The intent was/is never to promote them. It was just to make the article more detailed. And I tried to keep the language tone as neutral as I could.

Incidentally, the organization does have a registered office, staff (multimedia, operational, administrative, etc.), income, expenditure, and membership. I had listed the names of some of the key office-bearers inside the “infobox” on that page, too.

Thanks to your response, I believe that I, now, have a far better idea on matters such as independent third-party verifiable sources, proper sourcing of text, notability guidelines (the five components), citation formats and rules, non-promotional tone, copyrighted text, placement of URLs, etc.

Another question (about the list of events that I had included): if an article on this organization is ever created satisfying the policies, is such a list of events considered a proper addition to the article? The whole idea behind that list was to make the article as detailed and informative as possible.

Finally, U5: I had no idea about the distinction between creating an article in a "user subpage" vs a "draft article page." I didn't even know that there are these two different methods for doing that. I was just following prompts that lead me to creating a draft article for later submission for approval.

I have also read the "what about article x?" page. Completely understood.

Once again, thanks for all the support. I hope my response here sheds some light into the background of my article submission attempt.  Wish you happy holidays, and a happy new year. JK Nair (talk) 05:40, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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