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Happy holidays![edit]

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	Hi Romomusicfan, May your holidays be merry and bright, and hope you have a happy and healthy 2021 Netherzone (talk) 14:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arson[edit]

You can't backdate a suspension, and the source you cited doesn't say that they did; in fact it specifically says that the death penalty was abolished early, before the five years were up. 1965 to 1969 is four years.Richard75 (talk) 09:25, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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ICU[edit]

Hello Romo, a couple of points regarding your ICU changes. The lead should be a summation of the body, When names first appear in the body they ought to be given in full first time, then surname in other instances - that they have been given in full in the lead shouldn't really change this rule. Secondly, with Took, if we mentioned all guest appearances it would become unwieldy, the article before I made changes overstated Took's significance, I think at best he is a foot-note and certainly not the pivotal figure Fee Mercury Moon tried to portray in her original contributions. 109.149.245.3 (talk) 09:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

109.149.245.3 Took himself thought that ICU was basically just the Horns with Nik Turner usurping his role - he went on a lengthy onstage rant about the subject at the Music Machine 16th June 1980. Took's manager from 1980 Les Best also agrees that ICU was basically just "Nik Turner and the Horns".Romomusicfan (talk) 11:33, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Turner played as Sphynx with Erba at Deeply vale in 1978 - the notion that he was "stealing" Took's band is nonsense, anymore than he "stole" Steffi Sharpstrings from Here and Now or anyone else... Erba played on the Williamson's Mother Gong album - was Williamson stealing Took's band? And Erba brought Thoms into ICU? It's a conspiracy! It happens, new bands, a member recommends some-one they know etc... Drug-addled rants on stage will not pass muster for verifiablilty or, read it, reliability. 109.149.245.3 (talk) 15:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing in the article about Took's comments onstage at the Music Machine. Nor did he claim in said rant that the band had been "stolen" off him, merely that he was responsible for bringing the band's core, Trev and Dino together, "used to pay (Thoms) twenty quid a week" and deserved some credit for that much.

I mention - in this talkpage discussion, not in the article - that Took himself and his final manager both regarded ICU as a descendant of the Horns, in order to demonstrate for the purposes of this discussion that the idea of Took as a significant figure in the band's formation and therefore his guest appearances in 1979-1980 alongside his former band being significant enough happenings to warrant a mention in the article - is more than just some fringe theory on Fee's part. The man himself and his manager thought the same! Romomusicfan (talk) 16:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's also worth mentioning that before Mick Stupp replaced Dino, reportedly the guest spot would often consist of one or more Took songs from the Horns, thus further hammering home the point that these guest slots were effectively reunions of the previous band and therefore significant to the wider Trev/Dino Rock Family Tree.Romomusicfan (talk) 16:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And I'm not sure Erba has a doubled barreled surname, his writing credits are always simply as Erba. 109.149.245.3 (talk) 09:56, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion continues on Talk:Inner City Unit. I've pasted in the above thread in collapsed form.Romomusicfan (talk) 20:05, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation links on wrestling pages[edit]

Thanks for sorting out the overlinking on Smash (wrestler). You obviously have some interest/expertise in this area - would you be willing to look at the overlinking/linking to disambiguation pages on other wrestling articles? I have listed some of the problems at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling#Lots of links to disambiguation pages from wrestling articles but I don't have the knowledge to tackle them.— Rod ^talk 10:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I just want to say thanks for fixing up Shirley Crabtree and British Wrestling Federation. Jowa fan (talk) 03:57, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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	Hi Romomusicfan, May you have a bright and beautiful holiday season and a happy and healthy 2022! Netherzone (talk) 17:08, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Georgina Baillie[edit]

Hello Romomusicfan, Happy new year! I worked on the Georgina Baillie draft today and moved it to article space. I think it looks ok. I'm leaving a copy of the old draft the sandbox, since there are more references there that I did not use in the article. Because she received extended coverage over the years (and not just for the RB row) I think it is safe that she meets notability. Hope all is well in your world. All the best, Netherzone (talk) 00:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much and happy new year. I made a oouple of tweaks including an assetion of notability, followed up on the talking page with an assetion of notability.Romomusicfan (talk) 03:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect! That's a much better place for those refs than the draft. Will add to the article at some point. Cheers, Netherzone (talk) 03:56, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Question regarding refactoring talk page comments[edit]

Hi Romomusicfan, is there a reason why you are refactoring other editors messages on the WiPR talk page? It makes it difficult to comprehend the natural flow of the conversation. If the other IPs are you (I know that you like to edit logged out which is ok) and you change your own logged-out message, perhaps you should be signing these as Romomusicfan? Just a suggestion, since I'm really confused as to who you are talking to - other independent IPs or yourself. (Sorry if that sounds weird, maybe I'm just slow...) Netherzone (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Netherzone, the reason why I chop into other messages like that is simply because I am replying to specific elements in the conversation - a specific claim etc with which I disagreed eg the just plain false-history of Red Wedge (a mid 80s Labour Party campaign project wrongly claimed to be a late 70s hard left grouping - I will conceded that possibly the other editor was thinking of some other group and got their names muddled up.)

On the last two conversation sections ("Garbage claims" and "Too many subsections ...") there is only one IP edit by myself as far as I can see or recall, namely the response to "Punks Were As Likely To Be Fascistic" that starts "Misleading claim. Apart from a few isolated fringe scenes such as at the Swinging Apple pub in Liverpool ..." I **think** this was an IP edit because I was working from my personal laptop having recently moved my work laptop back to the office. It was a while back. I shall add a reply confirming this was myself logged out. Romomusicfan (talk) 09:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Have added the note.Romomusicfan (talk) 13:28, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dangerous Wild Animals Act (camels)[edit]

Hi Romomusicfan I sent you a reply on the Dangerous Wild Animals Act talk page that I didn't get a chance to write to my MP Dennis the mennis (talk) 13:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis the mennis I was being facetious with the MP statement. The point is that Wikipedia talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article, not the merits and demerits of the subject itself. A talk page for a Wikipedia article about a legal Act is not the place to debate the Act itself. It can be the dumbest piece of legislation since humanity crawled out of the caves, but all Wikipedia can do is document the details of the legislation and the talk page is for discussing getting that article to better achieve its mission, not the rights or wrongs of the legislation in question.Romomusicfan (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'll just have to wait for any changes to happen Dennis the mennis (talk) 10:24, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your advice. Please bear in mind that quite often edits are made "on the fly" in eg a workplace situation and need to be done & dusted as quickly as possible. Where possible I do try to fill things in or at least come back later to sort them out, but quite often the priority has to be getting the idea down. A bare reference is better than no reference which leaves itself open to being reverted by some overzealous newbie admin.Romomusicfan (talk) 07:41, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Nora Forster[edit]

Hi Romomusicfan, I've just started a new stub for Nora Forster. I'm convinced she meets WP:BASIC and criteria 1 of WP:CREATIVE based on many books and articles that mention her role as a music supporter and promoter for The Clash, The Slits and the Sex Pistols. I'm wondering if you might be able to have a look at it, if you have an interest in helping to improve it. Cheers, and hope all is very well in your world. Netherzone (talk) 17:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I've made one correction. It could really do with more detail on her promoting work to establish her independent notability from John Lydon (if you can sort it, I would include this as a summary in the lede.)Romomusicfan (talk) 09:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Romo. I agree 100% that it needs more in-depth content on her promoting work independent from Lydon. I will keep looking deeper. If you come across anything drop me a line. Netherzone (talk) 12:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/June Child as a cautionary tale about what can happen to an article about a rock star's spouse if there isn't enough meat about the spouse's own career.Romomusicfan (talk) 13:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get it. I just found an article in the Brisbane Sunday Mail that is primarily about her, and will continue to look deeper. I need to get my hands on some books! Netherzone (talk) 14:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Georgina Baillie[edit]

I don't know if you still have Georgina Baillie on your watch list or not. Just wanted to make you aware that an editor has repeatedly removed content you added to the article, first because they did not like that it included sources in the lead. When I moved it down into the body of the article it was removed again with the objection to the phrase "received coverage" as being self-promotional. I rewrote the short paragraph which is now in the Music section, if you wanted to have a look at it. Hope all is well with you. Netherzone (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for alerting me to this. Assertion Of Notability details are necessary in the Lede to prevent deletion attempts and are sometimes removed by editors as an attempt to "soften up" articles for deletion.Romomusicfan (talk) 13:50, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply and I agree with you on this matter, thank you for restoring the content in the lede. I disagree with ItsKesha that "received coverage" is promotional or self-promotional. It is obvious that you and I (the primary editors of the article) are not Baillie, so how can it be be self-promo? The phrase "received coverage" is neutral and is not promotional, IMHO. Other possible neutral wording would be that "her work has been written about in". Thank you again for restoring the content. Netherzone (talk) 14:33, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

""Received (significant) coverage" appears in the relevant Wikipedia policies. ItsKesha seems to be fighting somewhat dirty making accusations of WP:COI. If they are not going to assume good faith, then it's tempting to fire back that ItsKEsha just wants the article deleted so is trying to undermine it by removing the Assertion of Notability. Romomusicfan (talk) 14:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Netherzone I'll go along for the moment with doing without the assertion of notability in the Lede, however once the RfC is closed, we should start a new RfC seeking clarity on just how one does assert notabilty for a basic GNG pass (sig. cov. in "multi" {eg. 3} reliable indie sources) as the Assertion of Notability in the Lede has proved a good way of "delete-proofing" articles in the past and I'd quite like that convenience or similar for future.

Also if there is any attempt to speedy delete the article or start an AfD debate, the assertion goes straight back in the Lede!

How do both those two sound? Romomusicfan (talk) 09:41, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do a lot of work at AfD in the visual arts area (much less so in the music area) and I strongly believe the article would survive an AfD. I think it would be foolish for someone to try to speedy delete it, as that would be misunderstanding of the SD criteria. There has been a lot of water under the bridge since 2010, and a lot more written about her since then, so I don't think there is any danger of 1EVENT. She meets WP:BASIC and WP:GNG even though she ~~does not meet WP:MUSICIAN or~~ WP:NACTOR. If it does get nominated for SD or AFD, of course you should put the sentence you added right back in the lede! If you disagree with my removal I won't object if you revert me. I removed it as a compromise based on the talk page discussion.

But I have to admit that I'm really quite surprised and perplexed why it (the offending sentence) became such a big deal in the first place, and that an RfC was initiated. I'm much more familiar with RfC's being called upon when a debate is hopelessly stalled or becomes combative. I've been thinking about your suggestion of starting a new RfC, and am not really sure if RfC is the right forum or if the timing is right, that's because I think this will blow over. But you should do what you feel is best! Other forums that come to mind might be the Biographies of Living People Noticeboard, or Women in Red Project talk page to initiate a discussion if you decide to go down that road. Netherzone (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not so much about the GB article specifically, more a general issue over that method of "delete proofing" articles, as it seems to have kept the wolf from the door with quite a few band articles I've either written in the past. or rescued from deletion attempts (or from being marked "may not meet WP's standards for notability"). In any case, an asserstion of notability of some sort does seem to be called for by WP:LEAD.

WP:MUSICIAN is a project page, not a notability guide, but Baillie does pass WP:SINGER aka WP:MUSICBIO under point 1 "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself ...".Romomusicfan (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Case in point ... Romomusicfan (talk) 22:29, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Like I say on my user page, I'm generally inclined to be an inclusionist and try to rescue stuff whereever I come across it and the Assertion of Notabilty is a useful tool in that regard. Romomusicfan (talk) 22:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - Thanks for the speedy reply. Nice work on The Servant (band) article.

I now understand that you are considering this discussion in a larger context than Baillie. I also now fully understand what you mean by "assertion of notability". Might also be a relevant topic for the Village Pump.

WP:MUSICIAN was a mistake, I meant WP:NMUSICIAN which redirects to WP:SINGER, and when I read your rationale above understand how you are interpreting it.

When I am reviewing articles on visual artists the first thing I do is search to see if they are included in any museum collections, and if they are in "several" (which has been defined as two or more in various discussion), likewise when I write articles on artists. I don't always put the collection in the lede, tho. I usually create a section (or subsection) called "Collections" to emphasize that the subject of the article meets criteria #4 of WP:NARTIST. In general I tend towards both inclusionism and deletionism; I like rescuing and improving articles on relatively obscure topics, and writing on fairly obscure things like hot springs. But also participate at AfD to help get rid of the junk and spam and paid advertorials because I think that sort of content disrupts (corrupts?) the integrity of the encyclopedia.

You are very much appreciated, and I am grateful for all the work you've done on music articles. (And of course esp. the Women in punk rock article and the Baillie article. It's nice to have good colleagues! Netherzone (talk) 23:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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