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tagging as minor and bot edit

ShepBot made this edit here, it's a correct edit, but it's not flagged as "mb" as it should be. The bot should use the adequate flags when making changes like this, please fix it. Cheers. --Enric Naval (talk) 16:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Are the last few edits marked correctly? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 17:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I looked at this one. It's marked as minor "m", but it still needs the bot tag "b" damn, I can't find the "b" tag anymore, I don't know if it's no longer used, you should ask in Wikipedia:Village Pump (technical) or to other bot owners about that flag. Maybe it's still being used for internal purposes even if it no longer appears on the history. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It's probably still being used because on "My preferences", under "Watchlist", you can mark "Hide bot edits from the watchlist", so you should look into usinf that flag if you didn't already. Cheers. --Enric Naval (talk) 17:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I've stopped the bot until I can figure this out. Thanks. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 17:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Should ShepBot be subst'ing {{unsigned}}s at all? It doesn't appear to be an approved task for the bot, {{unsigned}} isn't on the Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User talk templates list, and Wikipedia:Template substitution lists it as "under debate". RossPatterson (talk) 18:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

If you had read Template:Unsigned you would see the bold print that says it must be substituted. My original request was for template substitution; the list at AWB was to show a general idea of templates that would be used and I shouldn't have used the word only. Unsigned does appear on user talk pages though and is now on the list at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User talk templates. I'm contacting a member of the BAG to see if I need to file a BRFA. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The guideline on template substitution says "Some have suggested that since user sig templates should be substed, {{unsigned}}, {{unsigned2}} should be substed for the same reasons. However, the latter are all protected and will change much more infrequently than most signature templates; also, they are significantly longer." It doesn't change often, but it did change 7 times last year. RossPatterson (talk) 03:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to note however that, that another bot was approved for the same task speedily. Since that bot is no longer active ShepBot would just be clearing up at 35,000 long back log. I'll wait for a reponse from the BAG and file a BRFA if necessary. Feel free to voice your opinions there if is one. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 03:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

About mb edits

I would like to quote Happy-melon:

"If I remember rightly, the "b" only shows up in Special:RecentChanges and the watchlist - try clicking "show bot edits" in your watchlist and see how many "b"s appear - but note that no bot edits have the "b" next to them in the history. IIRC, it's because the bot/not bot status is stored in the recentchanges table, which is purged on a 30-day rolling cycle, so it's only used for watchlists, RC and other things that can't be viewed months after the fact (the IP addresses used for CheckUser are also stored there, and a whole host of other data to make those feeds more comprehensive). All edits by a bot account are unavoidably recorded as bot edits for as long as the bot remains flagged. Happy‑melon 22:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)"

So it seems marking them as minor makes them show as mb only in RC and WL. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

"My preferences" has a "Hide bot edits from the watchlist" checkbox. I have it unchecked and still can't see the "b" thing on my watchlist Under the "Recent changes" list, I checked the "Enhanced recent changes (JavaScript)" box, and I can now see the "b" flag on both RC and WL. --Enric Naval (talk) 23:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

rollbackSummary tool

Hey, it works! :) My left-click finger almost hurts from so much work. Almost 300 rollbacks on a row --Enric Naval (talk) 00:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Glad to hear it! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox artist

Thanks for fixing. :) Ty 01:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Doing it by hand is much faster than filing a BRFA. Should be done within the hour. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Owen Sound, Ontario

FYI, ShepBot tagged Owen Sound, Ontario with a WikiProject Ohio banner, which doesn't make much sense. I undid ShepBot's edit. PKT (talk) 15:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

For some reason the article is under Category: Miamisburg, Ohio. Thanks for pointing it out. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 15:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Your banner is finished!

I hope you like it! I have uploaded it in place of the old one and it is now in the {{Wikipedia ads}} rotation. Feel free to worship me as your new goddess!_{just kidding}
All the best- L'Aquatique[talk] 05:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I haven't had a chance to implement it yet, but...

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		Awarded for your fine work on Template:Infobox Chickenbreed VanTucky 19:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

G'day Stepshep, VanTucky told me about the infobox you created for the Chicken breeds. Well done for that fine effort. I work on domestic pigeon breed articles, and have been thinking about using an infobox also. I took a look at the code on your template and think I could probably adapt something to suit my needs? Then I figured probably better to just ask you as you could whip something up in five minutes that would take me all day to work out? I'll give you my ideas. I was thinking to start off with similar options to the Infobox Chickenbreed, but when you get down to the "apa" section as pigeons are recognized by different organizations world-wide. I think that section might be better linked to a "Breed group" section (such as Fancy pigeon#Major breed families of fancy pigeon, with the options being: Asian feather and voice pigeons, Color pigeons, Frills and Owls, Homer and Hen Pigeons, Pouters and Croppers, Exhibition Tumblers, Flying Tumblers and Highfliers and Utility pigeons. (I plan on doing individual articles on all those in the future). Under characteristics male and female weights don't differ a great deal so no need for that. Egg color is all the same in pigeons and skin color is not noted as such (Utility breeders do look for squabs with light skins though). Feather ornaments are an important consideration. Things like: Crest, (peak, spade or shell). Hood (as on Jacobins), beak crested, eye crested, Muffs (feathered legs), Grouse (smaller feathered legs), Slipper (another feather leg version. All those could go in a "Notes" section though? Let me know what you think please.--Sting Buzz Me... 02:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

That looks great. Thank you very much for your effort. I'll start adding it to a few breed articles. If my fellow editors on the pigeon breed task force think of anything that needs adding. I'll let you know. Cheers,--Sting Buzz Me... 12:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU

Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 18:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD

Didn't quite understand the comment on my talkpage. SportsMaster was the creator of Pioneer. He knew of the AfD before I could inform him. He tracks activity on "his" pages. But Wikipedia belongs to everyone. Have to tell you, I'm sick of people claiming ownership. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. Will do in the future. Glad those users can participate. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 23:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Just a concern about WP:COI. I would think 99% of the users for the pages will vote to keep. How many neutral third parties are going to see the AfD? --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I get that, but things could unfairly snowball here. The fact that high school conferences were noted as non-notable in the past should be objectively looked at. I know I have conflicts of interests with pages I've created in the past. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 23:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, obviously other than spending hours doing each article separate I thought it was in the best interest to bundle them so that this ordeal is taken care of in one full swoop. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 23:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. And I will definitely notify individuals in any future AfD. This was just a bundled 30, 40 affair. I don't have the time:p But I do want things to be fair and an ultimate good decision. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 23:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure it doesn't come up all that often; goodluck in your search. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 23:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hey. I would just like to say that I have approved you for the english wikipedia internal account creator tool. Have fun and if you need any help please message me on my talk pages. Thanks for helping out the project in this way. ·Ãḍď§ђɸŗЄ· ^Talk 19:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Can't wait to get started. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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Museums

You are tagging commercial art galleries as museums, which I assume isn't correct.[1][2] Correct me if it is. Ty 10:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

That article was under Category:Art museums and galleries in the United Kingdom stubs; which was supposed to be tagged. If galleries were supposed to be left out itwas not to my knowledge. If this was not meant to be done I'll fix it today. Thanks. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, confirmation from WP:MUSEUMS says that the tags are correct. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

High school conferences

I don't have a problem with posting those comments from your sandbox there. My only concern is if a consensus has been reached as to whether or not we're going to keep the articles in question or not. If we're keeping them, go ahead...maybe we can get more editors on board. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:18, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Avondale, Stark County, Ohio speedy declined

Hello, all towns are notable, and though the article did not have much, it had enough content to identify the subject and add more info. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 02:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Now the article has something to it. But I was under the impression that two templates and a category did not suffice article criteria. Thanks for your time. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 03:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Sometimes the thing to do is to add content rather than tag for deletion. If I can figure it out I go for the former. It is not always easy, though. <<grin>>Cheers, Dlohcierekim 03:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the museums banner fix

not sure exactly what you did here, but thanks for fixing it. I had User:Hersfold fix the template from my initial efforts because I don't really know too much about the parser function. This is why I love wiki though, I can contently write articles knowing I can poke others to fix templates, cats, etc. Have a good evening! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 03:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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My Son

Article for Deletion discussions are not games. There is no score and no making a " next move". Also, what's up with the random vandalism to Salmon? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

While I was in the bathroom was trying to be funny. Look at his edit, wasn't exactly crude or in poor taste. Also, no one said it was a game. Just providing evidence into deleting the article. Don't hate just because I'm kicking your tail on the board. --BurpTheBaby (talk) 02:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

So you understand it's a not a game; yet you're still "kicking my tail". Okay then. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:35, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Find some evidence!!! --BurpTheBaby (talk) 02:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Of what? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:38, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll splatter you with a ketchup packet!!! --BurpTheBaby (talk) 02:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Please be fair in the future and report all users as an outside observer of a edit war. Thanks! *throws ketchup and runs* --BurpTheBaby (Talk) 04:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

See the comments on my Talkpage, Shep. Baby, breathe a little, alright? --FancyMustard (talk) 05:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right about that, he should show some more maturity, but I don't think his actions seem to warrant an admin intervening at this time. My advice is to just ignore his "silly" comments unless he crosses the line. Throwing ketchup packets doesn't seem to do that. --FancyMustard (talk) 19:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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OHSAA League Page Layouts

Hey, Yeah, I'd be interested in helping to lead the organization of these articles. We could come up with a uniform layout for the pages to meet better standards. I'm ready to get the ball rolling whenever! Frank12 (talk) 21:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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LGBT newsletter

Hi, Stepshep. No more changes have been made recently to the newsletter, so I'm going to say it's probably ok to send out. Again, you can find it here. And this is our memberlist. Let me know if you need anything else. Thanks so much! --Moni3 (talk) 15:01, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Step

I know of this, what is your point? I have a column with my recommendations. That was brought over from my long list to save space. No one should change what I have in a column with my name on top. Thanks! Just take a look at the context of edits before accusing people unfairly. This isn't a contest. --UWMSports (talk) 16:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Stepshep, I strongly urge you refrain from making personal attacks on people's talk pages. We all respect your stance in the Ohio HS discussion rooms, but this is crossing the line. UWM doesn't want anyone changing his opinion column. You wouldn't want that either. That is a far cry from claiming ownership to Wikipedia. Look at it objectively and you'll realize that. I would suggest you apologize or back off your outlandish statement on UWM's talk page. --GoHuskies9904 (talk) 17:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

What outlandish statements? ":Regarding your recent edits. the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Also WP:OWN. Thanks! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:37, 11 June 2008 (UTC)"

As for his opinion column, it just listed delete/decent, cleanup/ect. I believe that the minor edits David made to the template were not monumental enough for a revert and actually belong in that column. He marked what he believed we should use as our model article. The many charts were combined to save space. If there was another place the information should have gone I clearly didn't see one; or I would have popped it into the correct section. That wasn't a personal attack, but a request that GF edits not be removed but ,if placed inappropriately, placed in the correct area. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

No worries, Huskies got a little carried away in his reply, but I would rather not have my opinion column be the column to gage which articles are the model and what not. I know of WP:OWN as I've fought off many users who think like that. But in any event, I don't consider that page to be a model article yet. I'll update my column accordingly. I really do like the effort from David, Frank, you, etc. I know we disagree on some issues here, but I really respect and admire the work you guys are putting in to upgrade these articles. And the way you're going you will have me sold on your side soon enough. --UWMSports (talk) 22:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad

? "Stub" ? Based on WikiProject Ohio Article Classification examples, should it not be at least either "Start" or "B" ?

Upped to start class. Feel free to chnage any ratings anyone ever gives to a banner if you feel it is inappropriate. At WP:OH you can also request an assessment. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank You!

No problem. Sorry for the mistake. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Sports Conference templates

Hi, I've reunited the schools and towns with their mascots. I think I see what you were doing, but it ended up linking a stack of pages to some dabs, so I've switched 'em. Happy to discuss and so forth. Cheers, --AndrewHowse (talk) 21:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Left a reply on the template's talk page. Was part of standardization.§hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Me too. Cheers, --AndrewHowse (talk) 23:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

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Kent State Stark

Thanks for your help with the Kent State University Stark Campus article. I never intended to be this involved with the article, but here I am. I'm beginning to think that the same person is operating under different names since the exact same revisions keep occurring. How would I address that? --JonRidinger (talk) 19:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

You'd have to file a Request for Checkuser, you can do that at WP:RCU. You need to list all of the suspected accounts, since there doesn't seem to be a main one. They walk you through how to do it, but if you need any help I'll galdly lend assistance. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

In response to your post, thanks. Yes, I realize that, plus during the week I have limited time to look at this page anyways, so it works out. Maybe best to just take a break till later and then revert because this is getting REALLY old. I didn't realize there was such an inferiority complex down at Stark towards the main Kent campus. I still would like to check and see if KentStark and PuroCafe are the same users. At the very least they both have the same COI.

On a side note, I listed Kent State Golden Flashes in Wikiproject Ohio and would appreciate a third-party evaluation. I have done most of the edits, so I didn't think I should totally evaluate it, though it seemed to fit "mid" importance criteria. Thanks! --JonRidinger (talk) 19:17, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look right now. If you feel they could be the same person a WP:RCU is the best way to go. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:20, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

strange bot behaviour

Any idea why this happened? DoubleBlue (Talk) 02:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm looking into it, thank you for the notice and sorry for the inconvenience. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 15:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Something was up with uw-vand4 (I think it was that one), it has a {{{{subst|}}}}#ifreq in it. I've tested it again and everything seems to be fine. Thank you again for alterting me to this issue. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 15:50, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I'm glad you were able to discover and correct the problem so quickly. No inconvenience on my end; just thought you should know. A quick look at the bot's contributions at the time seemed to show it was an extra-ordinary problem so I didn't stop the bot but I see below there were other occurrences. Cheers! DoubleBlue (Talk) 20:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

odd Shepbot behavior

What did your bot do to User talk:68.249.64.18‎ and User talk:208.39.156.170‎? I just noticed 500K+ additions in text size, and they're a bit too big to load on my computer now. Lisatwo (talk) 03:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC) (correction: I meant loading the diff files, not the talk pages themselves Lisatwo (talk) 03:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC))

Something with {{#ifreq's and {{subst|'s within a template made it go haywire. I think I've fixed the issue. Sorry for the inconvenience. If you see anything else wrong, feel free to stop ShepBot by yourself if you feel the need to. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 15:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this edit had to do with the above and has been fixed, but I have stopped the bot anyway. Sorry if it's been fixed already. -kotra (talk) 20:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Bad subst

Hello, Stepshep ... your bot did a Template substitution of WP:FLAG-/templates on my User page, which I have reverted ... this template is used by the WP:FLAG-xyz protocols to reference each other, and it changes as protocols are added or deleted, so it should NOT be subst'd ... Happy Editing! — 151.200.237.53 (talk · contribs) _{04:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)}

The problem is that the template was under Category:User warning templates. Per WP:SUBST, all templates in the category should be substituted. I've removed it from my list of items to substitute, but you may consider placing it in another category. Thank you for alerting me of this issue, everything should be resolved. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 15:18, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done ... I've removed it from that Category ... thnx fer the heads up. :-)

{{Flag-article}} and {{Flag-editor}} already have explicit notices that they must be substituted (they include {{Flag-templates}} as part of their documentation), and they both generate an error message if they aren't. — 151.200.237.53 (talk) 20:49, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

try the Elkman NRHP infobox generator

Hey, thanks for adding the one Allen County NHL. I visited it and edited it somewhat. I think you may not be aware of the Elkman NRHP infobox generator, which is a great tool. It creates a custom NRHP infobox for any given site, for pasting into an article. Try it, you'll like it: http://www2.elkman.net/nrhp/infobox.php. Its output is a good start for any NRHP article. For NHL articles, you have to add the NHL designation date separately. Hope this is helpful, keep up the good work! doncram (talk) 02:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Bookmarked it. That's awesome! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 15:58, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Good... and i am happy to see red-links in List of NHLs in OH disappearing! Perhaps others are active too. In case you don't mind some more feedback, i visited the new Manasseh Cutler Hall, Ohio University article you started--nice start with pic too!--and have a few comments. I guess my comments just relate to this diff which shows a couple changes i edited in:

• first, the NRHP date is sometimes the same as NHL date, but is distinct and both are needed. NHL date can be before NRHP date or after it. For this one, NRHP date is Oct. 15, 1966 which is the beginning date of the NRHP, while this site and a lot of others were designated NHLs before then all those were added to NRHP on this date. The Elkman infobox generator provides the NRHP date (added = [[October 15]] [[1966]] for this one), which should be kept.
• so for the NHL date, you get that from the NHL summary webpage (which you are familiar with). I cut and paste from another article, and then edit as necessary to add a fully described reference to the NHL webpage:
  designated = [[December 21]], [[1965]]<ref name="nhlsum">{{cite web|url=http://tps.cr.nps.gov/nhl/detail.cfm?ResourceId=439&ResourceType=Building |title=Manasseh Cutler Hall, Ohio University |accessdate=2008-06-16|work=National Historic Landmark summary listing|publisher=National Park Service}}</ref>
• then besides that, i move the NRIS reference up to support the NRHP date (the added= field) because it looks better there in parallel to the NHL reference supporting the NHL date
• and then i re-use the NHL webpage reference in the article
• and i often add a county category, using county available in the NHL webpage, tho this is not important

About the Ohio list, I am hopeful that, besides eliminating all red-links, that we might be able to revisit all pages and ensure that NRHP infoboxes have the NHL designation date and NHL reference. Again though, any/all help is appreciated, particularly where you use your more specific knowledge of Ohio, which is great. Thanks! doncram (talk) 18:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointers! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

NHLs in Ohio and beyond

Thanks! Great that List of NHLs in OH is almost all blue, good u'll do the redlink hamlets/unincorporated places. By the way, Acroterion was active on List of National Historic Landmarks in Maryland and i think he might be from there. We just finished blue-linking that, too. I'm hoping he'll move on to another state now. The only remaining red-links for NHLs, nation-wide, are in List of NHLs in MO, List of NHLs in NM, List of NHLs in SD, List of NHLs in TX. Oh, and a couple in List of NHLs in Other. We're working on a checklist in "Fourth of July" column in Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/ProgressOnNHLsByState. And Lvklock is checking our work, may have comments about further improvements needed in OH. doncram (talk) 23:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

URLs

I actually can't give you the URLs; well, I can, but the articles cannot be publicly accessed without logging in through a university, so I was just going to use them as off-internet newspaper sources. I'll give you one of them and you can see if it's worth citing through the cite web form or not. I'm pretty sure you'll get an error though. http://0-infoweb.newsbank.com.library.utulsa.edu/iw-search/we/InfoWeb?p_product=AWNB&p_theme=aggregated5&p_action=doc&p_docid=0EB7823729B6E7D3&p_docnum=178&p_queryname=3 matt91486 (talk) 19:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Governors of Ohio

I've responded to your concerns, so please check it out again. :) --Golbez (talk) 19:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, almost forgot. Complete support. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

bfx... er, Albin

Thanks. I forgot to look at the talk page. Oh well. Appreciate the heads up. Don'tKnowItAtAll (talk) 19:10, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Governors of Ohio

You did, only slightly; it was a work in progress, I put the links there then worked on converting them to {ref}s. We just happened to be working on it at the same time. :) --Golbez (talk) 19:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It's no problem. :) --Golbez (talk) 19:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Green Meadows

Hey, something that might be interesting for you to check out is the Fairview High School page from the conference. It looks like there is a rudimentary conference history on the page, and it's implied that the conference formed in 1962, but I haven't been able to find any sources for anything in the vein of formation/realignment yet at all. I left the person who expanded the page a message on his talk page, but he has only edited the school page and not at all since February, so I'm not optimistic about getting a reply from an inactive SPA. But if it's correct, it's a starting point on what we should be looking for, perhaps. matt91486 (talk) 01:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd say they joined in '62; but I have references that go back to championships in the '40's. But it looks like that section lists pasts members, like Paulding! Good find. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:23, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Do we know those schools were in the conference when they won the championships, or just that they won them in their school history? matt91486 (talk) 01:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they were in the conference. Do you see a discrepancy? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Nope, I just had no idea. I'm used to working with high school conferences in Minnesota, which seem to have a lot more movement between conferences than the ones in Ohio. Some schools over a ten year period are in three different ones, so I know when I'm working on stuff over on those articles, I'm always having to check on if a school was actually a conference member when it won something, so it's just me being a little paranoid from that. I haven't found any real indication or hint that they might have been in a different conference prior to the Green Meadows, I just thought it could be a possibility. Did you get any word on a conference website yet? matt91486 (talk) 01:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Still waiting on word from OHSAA. I emailed a few of the schools as well; maybe a secretary can hook up up. ;) I know my school has been with the same league since the 60s not much movement here. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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That's awesome! Thank you very much. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Request: Composers Project bannering bot run

Hi and greetings from the music world. I wonder if you might have time to do some bannering for the Composers Project?

This would entail a straightforward bot run through about 4,000 pages in the following categories:

• Category:Medieval composers  Done
• Category:Renaissance composers  Done
• Category:Quattrocento composers  Done
• Category:Trecento composers  Done
• Category:Baroque composers  Done
• Category:Students of Johann Sebastian Bach  Done
• Category:Classical era composers  Done
• Category:Romantic composers  Done
• Category:20th century classical composers  Done
• Category:21st century classical composers  Done
• Category:Viennese composers  Done
• Category:Experimental composers  Done
• Category:Modernist composers  Done
• Category:Neoclassical composers  Done

The existing banner - Template:Composers - can be used as is. It's currently on only 800-odd articles.

If you have time available for this I hope we could do it one cat at a time to start with - to check nothing is going wrong. (Ideally it would be good to auto mark articles with stub templates as class stub, but that could be done later if it's more difficult.) Best regards. --Kleinzach 07:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

One at a time? Sure I can do that. I can also assess stubs no problem, and assess articles from other project banner's if you wish. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

For stubs it would be okay to use Category:Composer stubs and filter out singer-songwriter cats? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I've ran a short run, tagging everything in Category:Medieval composers and auto-assessing 20 or so articles; which you can review at Special:Contributions/ShepBot. Does that look okay to you? Also, did you want me to run recursive, or just the category and nothing else? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Good morning (Japan time) and thank you for doing this so fast! (I thought I'd have to queue up for a week or so.) I've reviewed the test run. This is probably the first one ever for Composers and there are lots of anomalies in the categories. For that reason I think it's better to just stick to the categories above and not venture into any other ones linked to them. I also think some of the stubs at Category:Composer stubs are unreliable for our purposes. Of the 'auto-assessed 20 or so articles' only about half were on target. (Some of the people were instrumentalists belonging in Classical Music etc.)

My understanding is that you have bannered about one third of Category:Medieval composers. Is that right? Would it be possible to continue, putting stub on the banners if they have (any) stub on the article page? Can we also avoid putting the banner on non-article pages (e.g. Category talk:Trouvères‎).

The project haven't agreed to start full assessments yet so I think it would be best not to copy over assessments from other projects. Best wishes. --Kleinzach 01:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect. I tagged everything in Category:Medieval composers; but did not do sub-categories. Sub acetgories can get tricky and just get bot owners in trouble. Stub class is the only one used? Okay then, sure I'll just use that. I'll do a run and let you know when I'm done. Hope that made sense, if it didn't I can try to explain again. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Category:Medieval composers has 92 pages, but I counted about 30 at Special:Contributions/ShepBot. Is that because the other 60 were already bannered? Category:Quattrocento composers and Category:Trecento composers are subcats of Category:Medieval composers but I added them to the list above. (They may well double up on Category:Medieval composers). --Kleinzach 02:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

With the auto-assessments. I didn;t tag any new talk pages, I just updated the classes. It seems many articles may have been tagged incorrectly by others though. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:41, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

OK. I understand. There must be lots of odd cases out there. --Kleinzach 02:12, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Just saw you're in Japan. (I need to learn how to read). I was surprised when it said someone set me a message at 3 AM my time. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:51, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Too long- new section

Yep, 60 were already tagged. Feel free to add more cats as you see them. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

OK. Re Category:Medieval composers, is it difficult to add stub to the banner e.g. Talk:Aleyn and Talk:Hermann of Reichenau? BTW it's fine to go on with Category:Quattrocento composers and Category:Trecento composers. After that we should check again before Category:Baroque composers because that is a big one. --Kleinzach 02:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd prefer to get them all tagged, then recurse and tag the stubs. The problem is that in order to auto-stub articles one has to use a stub category in order to get the article list. Since I can't run through Category:Composer stubs(per above) I have to tag all articles in the given categories, then go back and use a completely different code to tag them as stubs. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

OK. Absolutely fine. I understand. Unfortunately I must go out for a few hours. I will check Category:Renaissance composers and if I can't find any problems I'll give you the go-ahead for the remaining cats. Thanks. --Kleinzach 02:34, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for being so understanding! I'm going to sleep, should be back in 12 hours! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:35, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I've just checked a sample of Category:Renaissance composers - it all looks fine and so far there have been no adverse reactions from anybody. I have one question. Sometimes the Composers banner appears at the top and sometimes under other banners. Is it automatically at the top if the banner has just been added by the bot? Anyway we can go ahead with Category:Baroque composers when you are ready. --Kleinzach 08:49, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's customary for the newset prject banner to be placed at the top from what I've seen. There are some cases though, like WP:COVENTRY likes to have their banner before WP:ENGLAND I think. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 14:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Baroque looks fine. When you are ready, let's do Category:Students of Johann Sebastian Bach, Category:Classical era composers and Category:Romantic composers. (I'll be out today . . . back in about 12 hours.) --Kleinzach 21:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. Look good? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The last batch looks fine - not a single complaint so far! So we can do 20th century classical composers, 21st century classical composers, and Viennese composers when you are ready. --Kleinzach 23:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I see you are now bannering a few articles that I removed from the cats. Not a problem as there aren't many of them, but was that because you compiled the article list in advance? --Kleinzach 00:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Nope, categories take up to 4 days to update themselves depending on their size. I use the freshest data I can get my hands on; which with cats is usally a few days old. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:23, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

OK I understand - I was referring to Ned Bouhalassa et al - which you have just written to me about. He was in 20th century classical composers and 21st century classical composers but I took him out before the run. It's true that he is still in 3 composer cats but not the ones we are doing now. We may include his cats later. (There are a lot of Composer cats which are really under the 'primary care' of other projects - hence the conservative bannering so far.) --Kleinzach 00:44, 16 June 2008 (UTC) P.S. No earthquake problem here - I'm up in the north in Hokkaido - in fact we climbed a volcano yesterday and then went to a hot spring, so we may have been enjoying the side effects.

Got ya, good to hear all is well. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to say I've added 3 cats above. --Kleinzach 03:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:1 compliance and {{WPBannerMeta}}

I've answered you briefly on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Composers page. I'm not sure what WP:1 compliance means, perhaps you can explain and I can propose it on the Project page later?

I am however against using the one-size-fits-all {{WPBannerMeta}} because it's so inflexible. (I've had one bad experience with it already on another project.) In any case I think we need to first do this basic bot run to get a reliable count for Category:WikiProject Composers articles so we can see the extent of the project before we go any further down the road. --Kleinzach 09:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I was referring to adding WP:COMPOSERS to the ranks of 1305 other projects at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index. But this would include using the full assessment scheme, creating new categories, and other minor fixes. I just recommened WPBannerMeta, because it could easily produce the same banner the project uses now and other features as well. If the project decides to go ahead, I can do some ParserFunctions as well and would be happy to offer my services. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 14:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Banner nesting

There are a lot of banners on some of these pages. I'm wondering whether it would be feasible to have a bot run to insert Template:WikiProjectBanners. (I'm assuming this is the most elegant nesting available.) Would this be difficult to do, I wonder? --Kleinzach 00:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I could look into it if you want. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:40, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

That would be great. I belong to 2 or 3 other related projects which would probably be interested as well. --Kleinzach 03:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Bot miss?

I'm now looking through 21st century classical composers and I've found a couple the bot has apparently missed, e.g. Donald O. Johnston. I've had a look but can't find anything untypical about this article. --Kleinzach 03:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's another one: Gerd Zacher. --Kleinzach 04:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, they all have "|blp=" within a WPBanner. I'll go get those ones. Sorry for the inconvenience. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed it. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. However most of the pages in Category:Experimental composers also are lacking banners. Any ideas? Miriam Gideon in Category:Modernist composers is also a miss. (The others there are OK.) Talk:Jean Françaix and Talk:Vagn Holmboe in Category:Neoclassical composers are misses. --Kleinzach 23:26, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. I didn't load one of the categories. Wow, it's been a long day when I forget cats. I tagged the missing 30. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Auto stub rating on banner

Thanks. I'm ready for the stub rating on the banners when you are. Will it be based on Category:WikiProject Composers articles? --Kleinzach 01:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I'll set it up right now. I can base it off of that cat, no problem. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

And it's off. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

To explain what I'm doing. I took everything in Category:WikiProject Composers articles and compared it with Category:Composer stubs (this is category that sorts all articles with stub templates). I saved the duplicates and a processing those right now as class=Stub|auto=yes §hep • ¡Talk to me! 01:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done With the stubbing. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:48, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Excellent. Is there now a Category:WikiProject Composers stub-class articles or similar? --Kleinzach 02:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC) OK. I've found it as Category:Stub-Class Composers articles. --Kleinzach 03:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

A question

One small thing: Category:Stub-Class Composers articles is 'fully operational' but Category:Start-Class Composers articles which I created to show up individually rated articles doesn't seem to be catching the relevant articles (e.g. Talk:Michel van der Aa). What have I done wrong here? Is it a problem with the banner coding? --Kleinzach 23:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, coding is wrongish. I can redo it if you like. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 23:20, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes please, perhaps we can set up the other class cats. so these will be operational when they are needed? Maybe I can do this myself if the coding is OK? --Kleinzach 23:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Should take 5 minutes to write out the whole thing. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 23:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Just class. --Kleinzach 23:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. One strange thing I've noticed though. If there are multiple banners, there is an extra line space after Composers, see Talk:Luigi Cherubini, Talk:Samuel Adler (composer), Talk:Arcangelo Corelli. A little bug perhaps? --Kleinzach 00:04, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahh crap. I'll fix it, don't worry. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:15, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Got it. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 00:40, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. --Kleinzach 00:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC) P.S. I guess the banner nesting idea was a non-starter, right?

Opera project request

Another one! There's been a request at the Opera Project here to move all articles at Category:British opera composers, Category:French opera composers, Category:German opera composers and Category:Italian opera composers to Category:Opera composers i.e. to de-nationalize them. Is this something that ShepBot could do? Thanks if you have time. --Kleinzach 03:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll start coding something. I couldn't get anything to work for the WPBanner addititions, you may have luck at WP:BOTREQ. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 15:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

So all of the pages with the categories to be removed already have Category:Opera composers on them? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 16:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Answered my own question. Answer was no. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:24, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

So I can do this quickly I'll do it on my own account. If I did it with ShepBot I'd have to file a new bot request. This is the fastest way I can do this, because BRFAs take a few days. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done §hep • ¡Talk to me! 21:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That's excellent. Much appreciated. --Kleinzach 22:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Museums banner question

Hi Step. You did a fix on this banner last week, which I appreciated. I usually go to Hersfold with template issues but since he's on vacation, I thought maybe you could help. The project's banner is on Talk:Brigham Young University Museum of Art and its displaying Start class, which is correct, however it's saying it has not been assessed for importance whereas the mark-up shows: {{WikiProject Museums|class=Start|Importance=Low}} Is this something you can help with? No worries if you can't. Thanks! _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 17:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Should be fixed now. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 17:28, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! No idea how long it had been broken but it caught my attention today. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 17:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Template:Archive box

As long as they are inisde a <includeonly> and </includeonly> tag, there is no reason why wikilinks should not be on the templatepage, but if the en community wants them sorted on a subpage, simply moving them to the subpage wont work alone. All the iw-links on the different languages has to be changed to point to the sub-page, or the pywikipediabots will either crash and do nothing at worst, or re-add the links to the template again. With regards AndersL (talk) 18:19, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I haven't seen this being a problem with other iw bots, see Wikipedia:Template_documentation#Categories_and_interwiki_links. Thanks! §hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

When a pywikibot updates interwikilinks, it open page A on its homewiki, and searches it for iw-links to other wps. If it find a link to page B on another wiki, it opens page B and searches for a link back to page A on the homewiki. If not, it will write to page B on the away-wp, so it has a link back to page A. So, when someone removes the wikilinks on page B, but does not point page A to the "new page B", the next bot that reads page A, discover the link to "old Page B" on A, and re-adds the link to page A again on the old B. This is what happened here, and is why wikilinks simply cant be removed without updating all the other pages. AndersL (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay? Not sure about that as I don't use pywiki. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 20:39, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

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Notability

I noticed a new page was created attached to Stow-Munroe Falls High School about their Academic Challenge team. The page is Stow-Munroe Falls High School Academic Challenge team. I tend to see this as a non-notable page; the team did place relatively high at the national tournament, but nothing that would deserve its own page in my opinion. There are obvious problems with the page itself (has a roster), but I don't want to go edit it if its going to get deleted anyway. I wanted to get your opinion on the page before I tagged it for notability issues. THANKS --JonRidinger (talk) 01:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

How do you feel about a selective merger to Stow-Munroe Falls High School? This way we preserve the decent content and get rid of the unnecessary stuff? §hep • ¡Talk to me! 02:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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