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He's back

This time as 178.105.167.131. It has got to be him because he's obsessed with undoing all of my edits and makes similar changes. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Seriously, this guy undoes my work just for the sake of it. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Range-blocked once more. Templates such as {{ipvandal}} are handy to report something, e.g. in case they refuse to reconsider their approach and use a different range.--Tikiwont (talk) 12:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Now also for the other range.--Tikiwont (talk) 13:56, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
He's doing it again! 178.99.227.47 and 178.99.149.95. He's seriously following all my contributions and undoing them. It's so annoying how I have to go back and undo them all. Can I have rollback powers? I'm not sure how that template works. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 23:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
He's got a puppetmaster account: UkBoxen --TheShadowCrow (talk) 00:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Sockpuppet was a response to my 99 rangeblock and is menawhile blocked. As I'm travelling please use Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback. --Tikiwont (talk) 11:09, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The Truth

The only one who is reverting for the sake of it, vandalizing and creating a "huge mess" is TheShadowCrow. He's trying to mess up as many boxing pages as he can. Someone needs to put a stop to this.

Compare my edit of the Vic Darchinyan page to TheShadowCrow's edit and see for yourself. I'm sure you'll find that my version is far superior. Structured better, more accurate, and in much better English.

He also called me a "fucking idiot" on the Vitali Klitschko history page.

Regards - UkBoxen.

You seem to have refrained recently form attacks which is good, but you need to stop using ip-s a and socks to evade your block or nobody will listen to you. And yes, questions like the one above we decide by discussion and not edit warring. --Tikiwont (talk) 21:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Do not let him trick you. He had never once editted on Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler before. This proves he is stalking me and is interferring with my rights to edit. My edit's have more bytes and better detail. That should prove who's is more informative. He try's to remove information as a whole.

And please tell me you agree it's very ironic and humorous that he's playing the call-names card. He has sworn at me, you and other mods. He is clearly the troll.

And let's not forget he has evade about a dozen bans (no over-exageration). I have never been banned once. He should be banned permanently.--TheShadowCrow (talk) 01:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Don't think I'm being tricked. He has been edit warring and harassing you so he stays rightly indefinitely blocked and may indeed be banned permanently if they don't sop socking. I spent also part of my my time here assuring that. Please check out the relevant terms as you're confusing them. I was just curious if I see a glimmer of reason there.
Anyways and regardless of the quality of your contributions that I do not want to evaluate, but which we certainly don't measure byte by byte, your rights to edit do not include that to personal attacks in edit summaries. In short, my post on your page was for you as I expect you to do better. Best--Tikiwont (talk) 08:58, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

"Do not let him trick you. He had never once editted on Thomas Hearns and Marvin Hagler before."

The admins can check the Hearns and Hagler pro records history for themselves. I've cleaned them up only for you to change them with your clumsy edits, just like with the pages of Roy Jones, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Morales, Bradley etc which all will need reverting.

I've cleaned up a number of poorly written, incomplete boxer's pages. Your edits don't have "better detail". They're generally less accurate.

Claiming Vic Darchinyan is a three-weight champion and referencing Vitali as recognized as the g.o.at. by some experts is just embarrassing. The Darchinyan page in its current state is a complete mess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.7.228.82 (talk) 14:29, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

@Tikiwont

I am sorry. I was just mad that he had continued to revert all my edits. I lost my temper and shouldn't have sworn. I won't do it again and I'm sorry. And i'm very grateful for all your help in this.


@50.7.228.82

I have no idea who you are. But now that I think about it, your probably Ukboxen because you say you've "Cleaned up" my edits. Do you see this, Tikiwont? He already has another sock. He's also threatening to revert my edits on Roy Jones, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather. This goes to show he is stalking my edits.

You aren't even reading my edits. If you were, you know that I was fixing double spaced periods and miswritten words.

Vic Darchinyan's name appears on the list of three-division world champions article, so he can be called by as such.

First of all, I didn't even write that part about Vitali, someone else did. Second of all, it calls him the greatest Heavyweight, not p4p, of all time, which he could easily be. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

A request

In lieu of my creation of an AFC request over an article that has been deleted many times, would you be willing to salt this page to prevent further recreation? Thank you. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 17:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Already done. Let me know in case it doesn't work or for other assistance. --Tikiwont (talk) 20:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Villyan Bijev

Hey mate. Thank you for deleting the page Villyan Bijev as it was not notable but I saw you put it on protection. While that is a good move I just have a question. How is one supposed to create the article once he does play a notable game. It seems that not even I can create the page. I would just like to know this for the future. Thank you. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 00:49, 9 January 2012 (UTC): Just le me know or the admin who closed closed the afd, lifebaka, or file a request at WP:RPP. --Tikiwont (talk) 13:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

A request to block 98.192.45.21

IP adress 98.192.45.21 keeps undoing my work on the Amir Mansour article. I have spent a lot of time on the article and Im getting very fustrated about that he keeps deleting my stuff, over and over again. It is so anoying. And there is nothing wrong or false in about what Im writing. Please block the IP adress.

Im getting very angry and fustrated about my work being deleted.

David-golota (talk) 00:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

A few observations. 1. I understand that you're frustrated but posting a request to block come without diffs and clear rationale which policy has been violated is not that helpful. 2. Looks like edit warring over a content issue to me, and yes that takes two so I'll post you a formal 3rr warning so that you understand that as well. 3. Some of your edit summaries and this [1] looks more like an invitation for a street fight to me than one to discuss. 4. We do have a policy on biographies of living persons. Stuff like someone being in prison needs to be extremely well sourced and yours may be good for reports on fights but someone reporting the news journal is NOT good for BLP issues [2]. Please dig up asap the original source or I'll remove it. Best.--Tikiwont (talk) 09:06, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

What ever. Dosnt really matter now. Too late. Thanks.

In the news

Hello. Please, i am seeking for an administrator for help, i am sorry for involving you in this problem but no one is helping me and the time is expensive. Please look at this discussion [3]. I want an outer side in the conflict to resolve the problem, two days have already passed and i need to post the news as soon as possible, the news was already posted but then pulled without any clear reason, and the people that was against the posting didn't give any clear reasons (POV, but didn't say anything about which part of the sentence was biased, i tried to contact one of them on his talk page but he refused to give me any reasons). Again, please resolve this problem as soon as possible, i have nothing to do, some people claim it is biased, but there is no way i can fix the claimed bias because i don't even know where is it, the people who claimed that is now ignoring the issue, and the news will not be ever posted because of that, so i want an administrator to interfere in this and end the discussion. Again, the time is very important, please respond me as soon as possible --aad_Dira (talk) 15:37, 6 February 2012 (UTC).

I'm really sorry to disappoint you, but the only thing I can do here is decline swiftly, as I'm working now and stay away in general from In the news topics precisley because of that perceived urgency. --Tikiwont (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay. But please, do you know another administrator who can help end the problem? --aad_Dira (talk) 16:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC).
Not really, not familiar with the processes over there, but i'd say Tariqabjotu is is the admin who pulled it and you contacted him already. I'd work on the article whilst waiting. --Tikiwont (talk) 17:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Ok, thank you anyway. The problem is that Tariq didn't answer my message until now, and, as i said before, the time is very expensive, because this is a news --aad_Dira (talk) 17:30, 6 February 2012 (UTC).

Your warning

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did at 2012 Africa Cup of Nations, you may be blocked from editing. Don't insert another time African Cup of Nations 2012 Semi Finals.png or another controversial political map into sports articles. Tikiwont (talk) 21:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, excuse me but you're wrong, I'm not violating any neutral point of view, I'm just putting a correct map of morocco, the article is about football not politics, western saharan football teams plays in moroccan League (read this [4]), moreover the territory of western sahara is not a sovereign country or a no man's land but a moroccan territory (regardless of internationals recongitions) then the map puted by the user Pacific Kiribati is not neutral at all [5], here is a neutral map of morocco puted in many articles in wikipedia [6]. Please read and think about the subject before threatening me.

Finally I remember you that FIFA recongnize Morocco including western sahara, see this : [7] Thanks --Karakizi (talk) 10:38, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

The warning you sent me

As you sent a warning message about edit warring. Please, find hereafter my point of view. This message is a copy of what I wrote in talk page of Africa Cup of Nations [[8]].

Hi Tikiwont. Let me join in this interesting discussion. As Jlsa, I am surprised that WS in considered as being part of morocco from FIFA point of view. Fine with that. Now, I know. I thought it was the contrary. Is it the case for CAF? The info is quite hard to find as their official web site is not...that clear and fancy. However, after thorough search, the only page I could find dealing with this subject is either in french[[9]] or arabic[[10]]. The english [[11]] version of the page is oddly empty. However, french and arabic being official languages of CAF, I relied on the info from those pages.
Using a translator, it turns out that western sahara is treated apart from morocco as far as CAF is concerned (though WS not being a member of CAF!!). Indeed, WS belong to african zone 2 and morocco to zone 1. Is it foreseen in case of WS issue gets sorted out?? I don't have any clue. So, what to do with the map problem? Should the CAF view prevail? is FIFA the one to follow? Thanks for your help.

PS: I just read what Kharakizi wrote above and clearly his sentence about WS being "a moroccan territory (regardless of internationals recongitions)" is all but driven by sports. Funny...after urging others to not mix sports with...politics :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacific kiribati (talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

TheShadowCrow

Hi, user TheShadowCrow is trying to vandalize as many boxing pages as he can;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TheShadowCrow

With the most credible sources I've proved his edits are wrong, yet admins allow him to attack all the boxing pages and undo the reverts I make. He needs to be blocked asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.111.44.245 (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

2012 Africa Cup of Nations

Please can you see this article, there is vandalism especially here by the same user Karakizi. You must now that this user was blocked in Wikimedia (Karakizi Wikimedia) because the same reason. Greetings. --Faycal.09 (talk) 13:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I've chimed in. Blocks on other wikis have in general no direct impact here. Karakizi is edit warring and may head for a block but isn't there yet. --Tikiwont (talk) 15:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

warning : a suckpuppet is participating in Edit Warring and also insults me

Hi, Sorry for bothering you again but this time I'm really in the obligation to write to you to inform you that User:Pacific Kiribati which is a suckpuppet of User:Faycal.09 is participating again actively in Edit warring in many articls related to football and specially this article [12] by putting his personal map and deleting the official map of FIFA [13]...(the maps he puts represent the offical view point of his country Algeria which aims to give independence to western sahara) he also insults me by naming me "Khara Krizi" [14], the term "Khara" in arabic is an insult which means "shit", please can you take the appropriate measures against this user for insulting and participating in edit warring...Thanks in advance--Karakizi (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Please don't throw around sock puppet accusations but file a report at WP:SPI if you see fit providing evidence. I'm not familiar enough with arabic and have no administrative capacity at the french wiki. Lets' all stay calm here, shall we, so i'll give you a formal WP:3RR warning, also on your page. --Tikiwont (talk) 15:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi, First I don't know User:Pacific kiribati, and second I never insult user Karakizi, there is no proove. This person is not honest, and I ask if he is a child person??
If you see maps of articles African Union, Association of National Olympic Committees of Africa, FIFA. you can see Western Sahara separate to Morocco in all the maps.
What about Africa Cup of Nations, you can also see these maps here. Greetings. --Faycal.09 (talk) 17:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

African union is a political entity not a football association, here we are discussing football not politics, moreover we can not use existing maps created by simple users as reference, sources must be official web site...--Karakizi (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi There,
I am Pacific kiribati and I have nothing to do with Faycal.09. Any Admin can check that by looking at logs and sort the IPs out. Karakizi, you're becoming paranoid. I don't know what you're referring to when alleging I insulted you?????? Apparently, I mistakenly mistyped your user name and this ended up in you thinking I insulted you. Have you ever though this could be mistyping only?? I did not remember your name and typed it as I was remembering it. I don't know arabic and don't even know if what you're saying is the truth.
Let me doubt though. Many things you said turned out to be false. Especially, alleging that CAF web site does not mention Western Sahara is all but true to say the least. In the link I gave (in french:[[15]] ), it's critsal clear that CAF considers WS as being separate from morocco as both WS and morocco are mentioned and they do NOT belong to the same zones as defined by CAF (in french but easily understandable by a anglophone: maroc = morocco and Sahara Occidental = Western Sahara)
Hereafter a copy of the lines describing the first 2 zones:
CAF Zone 1
Zone Nord
Algérie, Libye, Maroc, Tunisie, Egypte
CAF Zone 2
Zone Ouest A
Cap-Vert, Gambie, Guinée, Guinée-Bissau, Liberia, Mauritanie, Sahara occidental, Sénégal, Sierra Leone
Yes, FIFA web site illustrates moroccan football association as being a mix of morocco mainland + WS but it is NOT the case of CAF. African Cup of Nations is a CAF tournament, so CAF view should prevail! Easy enough to undestand but you don't seem to care and only your personal political agenda is put on the front.
Last but not least, please stop insulting others as being sock puppets with absolutely no evidence, first it's not polite and second simply because it ain't true. Moreover, the map I put is not MY map, it's the one used by nearly everybody else but YOU. It's not mine, I am not the author of it and have never modified it. Contrary to you who is constantly trying to paste, again and again, you own created map. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pacific kiribati (talk • contribs) 18:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Objections to allegations of sock-puppetry and personal attacks noted. Please all bring content arguments to the relevant talk pages. Thanks --Tikiwont (talk) 20:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Tikiwont,
Sorry for spoiling your talk page. The argument was sent back to the talk page of African Cup of Nations [[16]].
On that talk page, this new message to warn you that User:Karakizi has continued calling me a sockpuppet despite the warning you gave him and despite the request I made to him stopping his allegation. I told him that it's abusive but he did not seem to care. This message is a complaint about his behaviour. Sorry for bothering you with that but a third opinion on the subject of ACN map would highly appreciated. Our 2 point of views (User:Karakizi and I) can not be reconciled.
Cheers,

Pacific kiribati (talk) 12:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi Tikiwont,

I'm sorry for bothering you again but I think I've spoken enough about the issue, I have no more time to spend with a close-minded user like kiribati and his suckpuppet, we must put Fifa's map not our political point of view or our political conviction, here we are in football article not political one so we must put the map in it's correct context...Pacific Kiribati is talking non-sense to force his point of view, CAF has not shown a map of morocco separed from western sahara + the most high body of all associations football is FIFA not CAF...if there are some maps in wikipedia that shows morocco separate from WS then I'll propose later to admins to supress or modify them but we should not take a generalized error as a pretext to accept a false map of morocco in article. best regards --Karakizi (talk) 14:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I've drawn some conclusions at the articles talk page, now I'm off for a work break.--Tikiwont (talk) 22:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Enu

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MSU Interview

Dear Tikiwont,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and

Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's

Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we

teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community,

and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what

you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community

[[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_82#Learn_to_be_a_Wikipedia_Administrator_-

_New_class_at_MSU|HERE]], where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my

students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training,

motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one

of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of

communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)

  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will

never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.

  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an

interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.

  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics

review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have

been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.


Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak

with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I

will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your

name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be

more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 21:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but i respectfully decline. Best--Tikiwont (talk) 20:55, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Dumptruck editing sequence

Thanks for your note. Here's what I experienced. (a) I came to confirm some information, (b) I found no article, (c) I tried to do a stub, but couldn't, (d) I learned the page had been closed, (e) I contacted the person who closed it to get it undone (maybe my request didn't arrive; I find this user interface confusing), (f) I posted the request to re-open that you saw, (g) I tried the link the next day and found a blank page (not there previously), (h) I wrote an article in the sandbox and pasted it to the page, (i) when I checked the talk page to see who to thank, I found your response. From my perspective, it appears someone acted independently of you, but I don't know. It's there, so it's all good. Swarles Barkley (talk) 21:27, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Re: Edit warring adn attacks

I am sorry I let him get to me. I won't be responding to him on the history anymore. I am very grateful for all the help in taking care of this guy I have gotten from you and the other Admins. I am thankful I am getting another chance and I promise I won't blow it.

Should I just report his edits to you or another admin instead of undoing them myself period? I thought I was bothering you guys when I did that, but if it's perfered, that's what I'll do from now on.

Here are some of his edits I would like you to revert:

He had edited on a few other pages, but I took care of those because they had been edited after him and I didn't want to confuse you or make this more complicated. I did not exceed the three-undo's-a-day rule in doing so.

I also think it would be smart to put a permenant sub-protection on these pages:

Those are pages he has attacked a lot. Again, I appreciate your help and I promise I won't ever say a word to Ukboxen on an article's history again.--TheShadowCrow (talk) 02:36, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

A few clarifcations:
  • User38563 is not blocked because they are 'attacking pages' but because of edit warring, attacking other users and disruption using socks. That has nothing to do with the content but alonly with the HOW. Right now their talk page is the only place they are allowed to edit, That's why their post here was reverted. I've blocked the socks and an Ip range. Their unblock request has just been declined because void of any insight into the problems they cause.
  • You are not blocked because after your latest spree some friendly users had already cautioned you and also because we don't want to give the impression here that we subscribe to deals with blocked users regarding others
  • Their edits can be reverted also by you, but you should not feel entitled to revert everything on sight for the reasons explained. Some admins will revert by default for User38563 being practically banned, but we're not here to enforce capitalization and piping, and some other user will agree hopefully with one version.
  • Review the style manual WP:MOS and adhere to it. Some stuff you do isn't correct. 'Born on' is one example
  • Many admins have now watchlisted some pages. If something isn't caught, report edits but focus on the problem, e.g. block evasion and attacks, using also (also WP:SPI and W:RPP ) Do so in the most useful way listing full IP's and using templates such as {{ipvandal}} --Tikiwont (talk) 11:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

He's made yet another sock as FrankGrant (talk · contribs). --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:46, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Repeated Vandalism

99.224.144.28 is vandalizing again, as evident on the List of Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's episodes (season 1) page's history. 72.197.249.141 (talk) 01:50, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Was blocked for a pattern of disruption, but now no edit after February 17 or your warning. Please report at WP:AIV or here if active again, explaining or reminding the problem, because it is not necessarily 'evident'. --Tikiwont (talk) 20:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 February 2012

Re: AVI

Hi. Sorry I wasn't clear in my report. Yes, this user has been doing this for a bit on varying IPs. Other editors (myself included) have left him/her messages on their various talk pages they (s)he is either not reading or simply ignoring. Apologies for using rollback and for not being more clear in my communication with this matter. Thanks. Pinkadelica♣ 22:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 05 March 2012

Tmscott2

Hello, Did you mean to block the Tmscott2 (talk · contribs) account as well as the underlying IPs? It's rather unusual for the IPs to be blocked but not the actual account. Nick-D (talk) 02:40, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I didn't want to block the main account because of the the way the alternate accounts were used, so guess i should rather have unselected the blocks for the underlying IPs. --Tikiwont (talk) 08:42, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thanks for the welcome message. I look forward to integrating into the community a little more. Irfan2009 (talk) 22:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. --Tikiwont (talk) 23:05, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

User:AliceNovak

You wrote me about "editing war". I am not the person who began this war --- Stevnj began it spoiling the text which was done and existed more than 4 years. Tell me, how to protect the text "Anatolii Alexeevitch Karatsuba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" from vandals like Stevenj?AliceNovak (talk) 08:56, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Part of the problem here is asking for feedback or advice and then not wait for a response but immediately afterwards push forward editing. --Tikiwont (talk) 16:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 March 2012

The Signpost: 19 March 2012

The Signpost: 26 March 2012

Onthewater23 (talk) 07:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)Christina Novelli page07:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I am new to creating/editing Wikipedia. I was looking for a page on Christina Novelli the musician and it said it was created but then deleted by you and before I go to make a new page that I should contact you. I am not sure what to ask other than what I need to include that was not included on the previous page for this artist? I will begin to work on it in my sandbox. I think she is a great artist and because she is growing popularity and becoming more familiar she deserves a page. Thanks I look forward to your help.

onthewater23

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