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Copyright violations in Toni Morrison article[edit]

Victoria: From the sublime to the swamp—I've found copyright violations in the Early life and career section of theToni Morrison article. The copied material is from a book published in 2006. Several of the sentences in the section at TM were in the article before 2006, but most of the section at TM was added later than 2006. I confirmed the rest of the section was added after 2006 (an explanation is on the TM talk page). If you are not around or busy, no problem. But, I'd be thankful if you can take a look at the article talk page (I reverted all the edits ever made by a new editor). Enjoy the turkey season! Phil—Neonorange (talk) 23:37, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Phil, thanks for noticing and bringing to my attention. When I first looked I thought it was probably a student editor (end of semester projects are due next week for most colleges), and my inclination now is to leave in your changes and then tidy in the new year. W. B. Yeats is an issue right now too. Victoria (tk) 00:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you Victoria. I will comb through the TM article to identify exactly what is copied. At first light, it seems there may be a common source that 'Feminist Study' and 'TM' drew from. What I find, but can't fix myself, I'll leave on the article talk page. Phil (voco) —02:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I looked at it briefly but haven't had time to sort through the edits. I noticed you left messages on user pages, which is helpful. Basically the page is in poor shape and could do with a complete rewrite, and I'm thinking I might be able to get some work done there when the semester ends. I can't get to it now. I'll have to find sources too. Do you have access to Jstor or Questia? If not, I think subscriptions are still available; both are good for literature. Victoria (tk) 18:21, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Season's Greetings![edit]

Snacks at a Christmas party, Chatham, Ontario, 2014-12-13.jpg Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015 !!!

Hello Victoriaearle! As we gather to celebrate the changing of years and reflect on the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, I would like to wish you and yours a merry Christmas and a happy New Year. Attached is a small snack which I hope will give you the energy to continue being an amazing person and editor in the coming year.


Happy editing,
 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:44, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


  • Thanks Crisco! Very festive pic! The snacks are welcome - they'll help get me through this time of being a Christmas elf and maybe I'll have some energy left to edit a bit. Enjoy your Christmas and New Year (in case I don't get WP messages out this year). Victoria (tk) 17:08, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
    • An elf? Very, very tiring indeed. I'll be taking on that role, or the role of the big elf, for Christmas 2015... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
      • Yes, elfing is very exhausting. I'm hoping for a day of rest (though must do something about the huge tree that's suddenly sprouted in the living room). Btw - I forgot to say that I was happy to see September Morn promoted, and also congrats re TFA. Thanks too for the help during the year, particularly at Pound. Enjoy the holidays - and the cold! Victoria (tk) 13:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
        • Shiver me timbers! Or something like that.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Saint Francis[edit]

Excellent work. Its a good one, espically as the road to attribution is so rich in art historical thechnique. Seasons, etc. Ceoil (talk) 03:51, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks. It is a good one - thanks to you for getting it going and reeling me in. I'm still working on enormous amount of reading, slowly. Have been busy elfing. Seasons, etc. to you too. Victoria (tk) 13:38, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy holiday season[edit]

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Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys!Hafspajen (talk) 01:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)


  • Thanks Hafspajen! Very snazzy! Victoria (tk) 15:59, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Something beautiful for the holidays[edit]

Nollaig[edit]

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Best christmas and new year. Another year down, and so much more to write. Thanks for all your contribuitions and being part of the community. Hope January is at least resonabally tolerable for you. Ceoil (talk) 23:38, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Very belated thanks! Yes, I hope Jan is tolerable too, as well as the rest of the year. Thanks for collaborating w/ me! Victoria (tk) 21:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal greetings[edit]

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Merry Christmas and best wishes for a happy, healthy and productive 2015!
Ruhrfisch ><>°° 14:27, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

PS Congrats on a lovely article as TFA!

Thanks Ruhrfisch! I hope Santa left lots of presents under that sparkly tree. Nice to see you around, btw. Victoria (tk) 00:42, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Madonna of the Book[edit]

Hafspajen (talk) 18:55, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for this Hafspajen. Victoria (tk) 00:42, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Francis[edit]

Really impressed here since I went awol, its very strong. I have a few bits to add but nothing major, more underscoring the art hist approcah, and the change of optioning in the last 30 years, and that. Anyways, I was wondering if you were interested in working on the JvE bio over the longer term, that is many, many months. Would be something that needed a PR and maybe a GA nom in the long distance. Ceoil (talk) 00:22, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh god yes! (not to get too excited or anything!). I think we've both had our eye on that and have been moving in that direction for a while. Fingers crossed, real life is about to calm down a bit after a long period of many distractions, so I'd be able to give it justice. I'm not fussed about timing. When you're finished tweaking Francis I'll add a few bits; don't want to ec you. I'm about to start checking to see whether Pacht has anything to say - if he does it prob should go in. Victoria (tk) 01:17, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Well, Ive been puting in serious time there, on and off, but its been an upwards, hill by hill, struggle. I would be totally honoured to forge a joint venture. Ceoil (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
You've been cranking out all the sub articles at an impressive rate. At some point I mentioned something about adding material to them from Dhanens but never got to it, and suddenly articles started growing like mushrooms. So lots of work to do and fun work at that. Yes, a joint venture sounds like a deal - I'm honored you'd ask. Victoria (tk) 02:48, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Deal and deal. Ceoil (talk) 04:15, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I just hope we're clear that my comment "Many Wikipedians set the bar for what "needs to be quoted" too high, imo. " was entirely supportive of using quotes, which I think many Wikipedians don't do often enough. I'm sorry this issue upset you, & reading your comments I wasn't sure you'd taken the sense of my comment the right way round. Anyway, Happy New Year! Johnbod (talk) 03:48, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for explaining, I did misunderstand! The issue upset me because I have flu and it's hard to concentrate & I simply got frustrated. But we all know that I don't do well with FAC anyway - not the ideal environment for me. Anyway, thanks very much for stopping by and explaining. And Happy New Year to you too! Victoria (tk) 13:01, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Worse things happen at sea. Ceoil (talk) 19:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

Thank you for the lovely card, Victoria. All the best to you for the New Year, and thank you again for your help and support this year, particularly at FGM. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:33, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

You've very welcome. All the best to you too! I enjoyed our collaboration on Ezra, was just amazed watching you build FGM and honored to be part of the review. Keep up the good work! Victoria (tk) 02:01, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Victoriaearle![edit]

Thanks Hafspajen. Very snazzy! Victoria (tk) 18:19, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

A little help[edit]

Hello. Actually I saw that how you expanded Empress Shoshi's article. It has been a time that I and some other users are discussing about the articles of Japanese empresses. Do you have any knowledge in this field? Actually Empress Shoshi's name Fujiwara no Akiko. But how did you choose the name Shoshi? Is it her posthumous name? Do you have any source to show posthumous names for all empresses? I really tried to expand articles about other Japanese empresses which are stubs but unfortunately I couldn't, because I don't know Japanese and I can't use the information from Japanese Wiki. I'll be very happy if you expand Japanese empresses articles as you did with Shoshi. Keivan.fTalk 12:35, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

But I think it is also wrong to call her Empress Shoshi because Japanese Wikipedians say that Posthumous name for Empresses were disappeared in late Asuka-Nara period(上代, 6-8 century), and Nyoin name(女院) started to be used instead. Note that Nyoin doesn't always mean empress. During the Meiji period, Nyoin name has also been done away with, and posthumous name for Empresses were resumed. As a result, Empress Eishō, Empress Shōken, Empress Teimei, Empress Kōjun, only four of them have posthumous name after the Heian period. Keivan.fTalk 15:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Keivan.f, it's been a few years since I worked that page and much of it was overflow from Murasaki Shikibu. I do know that the Murasaki Shikibu sources refer to her as Shoshi, but I'd have to revisit the other sources (most of which I no longer have). If you want a page move then probably best to bring to the talk page. Also, without sources to support, I wouldn't know whether or not WP:COMMONNAME applies, but perhaps try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan. Victoria (tk) 17:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I have contacted to Japanese Wikipedia and they say that we should use Fujiwara no Shoshi instead of Empress Shoshi. Shikibu's sources refer to the empress by her name, Shoshi, but it is incorrect to call her Empress Shoshi. The term Empress should be used with her posthumous name which is lost and we only know her honorific title which I think is Jomoto-in. So with your permission I think the page should be moved to Fujiwara no Shoshi. So are you sure you don't have most of the sources that you had before? What were they and can't you have them again? Keivan.fTalk 21:14, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Sorry but Wikipedia is not a reliable source! Furthermore, I really think the discussion should be held here, as this is the English Wikipedia, and consensus achieved here. I really don't understand the distinction and so need to look into it a little. Regarding sources: I wrote the article in 2011 from sources taken from the library or borrowed elsewhere. Other sources, such as pdfs downloaded from the internet, have been since lost. I will have to re-borrow the books from the library and find access again to the pdfs - all of which takes time. I do have Bowring at hand and he very clearly refers to her as Empress. As professor of Asian studies at Cambridge university, he is a reliable source. Victoria (tk) 21:21, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Of course he should refer to her as empress, because she was an empress. But when I look at Japanese articles which are about her they all refer to her as Fujiwara no Shoshi or Jomoto-in. Her posthumous and imperial name is lost and technically it is wrong to call her Empress Shoshi. I think in this case the title of this page should be Fujiwara no Shoshi according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles and we should see what is common in Japanese language. Also for example Fujiwara no Kenshi (Sanjō) can be moved to Empress Dowager Biwadono (枇杷殿皇太后) and Tachibana no Kachiko can be moved to Empress Danrin (檀林皇后), their posthumous names, but they can't be moved to Empress Kenshi and Empress Kachiko. But it seems that even in these cases their personal names are more common. But as you like to have a discussion here, I think discussing with Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan's users will solve the problem. They can tell us which form is more common. Keivan.fTalk 21:43, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
And it will be really good if you find some sources to expand Japanese empresses' articles. You have written Shoshi's article very well. ;) Keivan.fTalk 21:58, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you - I enjoyed working on that page! I had a look at Bowring who says this book (linked here in Japanese and taken from Helen Craig McCullough) has detailed appendices in regards to titles. I would like to dig into this a little more, but yes, I think I'm beginning to understand the issue. Give me a couple of days to read through the sources, and regardless a page move should probably be mentioned on the article talk page. I will respond there. Thanks. Victoria (tk) 17:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

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