User talk:S Marshall

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Pronuncation in infobox person[edit]

Hi, I just reverted you here. Please reclose, addressing the issue of whether pronunciations should be removed from the lede when added to the infobox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


Thank you, but I see no reference to the issues you mention in "However, when dealing with ethnic or hard-to-pronounce names it may be a good idea, so the matter is left to editorial judgment.", which appears to be editorialising, not summarising the discussion. I would have made very strong objections to exceptions on either of those poorly-defined grounds, had they been made during it. I suggest you re-open the discussion, and express your views as a participant, in order that they in turn can be discussed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:30, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

  • I was editorialising, Andy. I summarised the discussion ---- roughly, I don't perceive a clear consensus to remove the pronunciation guide from the lede in all cases, but on the strength of the arguments I see clear grounds to remove it in many cases ---- and then "editorialised" by introducing examples of circumstances where editors might want to include the information in the lede anyway. I don't think I'm wrong. But would you like an independent close review?—S Marshall T/C 12:14, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Chulbul Pandey[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Chulbul Pandey. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. DerevationGive Me Five 16:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Your assistance at a BLP[edit]

May I impose and ask for your assistance at Steven Emerson? There has been a rash of attacks on this BLP, perhaps rightly so over his bungled interview on Fox and incorrect statements about Birmingham. Unfortunately, my BLP clean-up attempts keep being reverted. I requested PP, but as soon as it was off, the swarming began. I requested PP again, but nothing happened. Now Emerson is being demeaned with the addition of a dreaded Islamophobia label which was cited to a partisan source. A blanket criticism was also added to the lead, unsourced of course. The hive activity is overwhelming. Anyway, I thought since you closed the IPT BLP-N last year based on (BLPGROUPS), you might be able to inject some wise advice over at Emerson. Thx in advance. AtsmeConsult 19:37, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi Atsme, and thanks for getting in touch. I think that Steven Emerson's remarks on Fox News were very stupid indeed. They were completely false, and they were about a city I know well. They have received an awful lot of attention here in the UK: hundreds of hours of air-time. He's been the butt of thousands of jokes. Our Prime Minister has called him "an idiot" on national television, and I fully agree. I can't think of any clearer evidence he could possibly provide that he is ignorant and islamophobic, and I see the consensus at the BLP noticeboard agrees. I think Mr Emerson's current difficulties are completely self-inflicted. I'm afraid I'm disinclined to help him here. All the best—S Marshall T/C 21:48, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Totally understood. Thank you for responding. Happy editing! AtsmeConsult 01:53, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Review of your RFC Close[edit]

I asked for a review of your RFC close. The thread can be found here. . Casprings (talk) 00:16, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

RfC closure[edit]

Are you sure that your closer of this thread[1] was absolutely correct? Given that 2 of the remaining users on the thread, TopGun and Nawabmalhi got topic banned and all of the sources are not supporting the results, they were in fact tagged with failed verification and one of them was a primary source. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 00:35, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Yup, I'm positive it's correct. Would you like a formal close review from independent editors?—S Marshall T/C 00:36, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Leggo : WP:AN#Reviewing RfC closure : Battle of Chawinda. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 00:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Can you discuss here instead? I don't want to make long discussions there. 25th regiment defeated other small force, not that the nation defeated other nation. Also "bloodbath" is not equivalent to "defeat" or "victory". OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 14:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks![edit]

Thanks for your comment and help. Mr. Marshall, could you help me? You said: Hmm, Wikipedia does discuss whether Constantine I was baptised by Sylvester I. Our page is called Symmachean forgeries, and it says it's based on a nineteenth century German source. It's possible that the page on Symmachean forgeries is, itself, a forgery but when I check other sources (such as the Catholic Encyclopaedia here), I see that the Constitutum Sylvestri is described as "apocryphal". For all I know the Catholic Encyclopaedia might also be wrong, but we as Wikipedians would want to see some evidence that's been analysed by the scholars before we'd be prepared to say that.—S Marshall T/C 22:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC): I have reason to believe just the opposite, as regards the so called "Symmachean forgeries", and the "Donation of Constantine", as well as the heretical deathbed "baptism" of Constantine. My question is: how much evidence must I present, to get my side printed on the actual page? I keep getting reverted when I post most things? Thanks. philipofBVMPhilipofBVM (talk) 04:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC) PhilipofBVM (talk) 04:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Hi Philip

    I think Wikipedia's coverage of Christianity is rather poor. Although we have large amounts of content about Christianity, a fair proportion of it was originally created by copying wholesale from public domain sources such as old editions of the Encyclopaedia Britannica or the Catholic Encyclopaedia. Since the public domain versions of those texts date back to 1911 and 1922 respectively, we're often a century behind the times.

    You asked how much evidence you have to present, and the answer is "one piece of evidence", but what I said was "evidence that's been analysed by the scholars" and the scholarly analysis is absolutely vital here. Wikipedia doesn't publish the truth. We publish what the mainstream experts think. So the evidence that you need is one (1) book, article or paper, written by a scholar (university professor, academic historian, highly-regarded theologian etc.), and published by a reputable mainstream publisher. The book or article has to say that there's a controversy about the Symmachean forgeries or the baptism of Constantine, or ideally both.

    If such a book or article exists, then this will mean that Wikipedia publishes information about the controversy including information about what both sides believe, but Wikipedia will still prefer the mainstream academic opinion (so the mainstream view will appear first in the artice and receive more attention).

    If no such book or article exists, then it's not us you need to convince, but the academics!

    I hope this helps.—S Marshall T/C 10:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


Its nice to have a editor with fresh perspective on the article. While I did have an insight section on my user page I have since removed it. One of my major edits to the page was the creation of the Harm Reduction section. I think this is one area the medical sources defend and while it is unclear exactly how much harm reduction there is, some is better than none. I think you will find that point of view on most of the non medical editors. Just a little insight.
I think if you continue to edit the page you will see other things. I dont want to go into details. But there is a lot going on an editor new to the article may miss. Its impossible to gleam it other than to edit.
By the way great job trying to fix the lede, I have been talking on the issues it has for a long time. AlbinoFerret 20:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)