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Hello. I'm having a dispute with an IP regarding the logo to be used in the article. Can you please drop some lines with your thoughts at the article's talk page? Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Article assessment for B-class[edit]

Can a regular contributor to this sub-project have a crack at some of the 7,400 odd articles requiring B-class assessment (mostly airlines and biography) ((I have done most of the rest))--Petebutt (talk) 11:19, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Air India Express and Star Alliance[edit]

FYI. There is an ongoing discussion here as to whether AI's affiliate with Star Alliance makes AIX also part of the alliance.  LeoFrank  Talk 17:06, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I have the same question regarding Scoot division of Singapore Airlines. (talk) 16:21, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
And what about Air India regional? (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Air india Fleet[edit]

The notes in the notes section can be made simpler, dont know why people need to add stuff like "being replaced with 7xx or Axxx"" also why need to add sold to Etihad for the 77L does it matter who the aircraft was sold to? in prose its mentionable but not in table. (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Templating airline fleet tables[edit]

I've been working on a template (series) for airline fleet tables. This would standardize fleet display and simplify markup in articles. I have made a page to compare the current and proposed styles for the tables. I wanted to allow discussion here before adding it to many articles, and will leave this discussion up for about a week to got responses. (Also, the project template page and style guide will need to be updated.):Jay8g [VTE] 16:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I cannot find the page where the discussion is taking place.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:07, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
This is the intended page for discussion. If there is somewhere else you think this should be discussed, where is that?:Jay8g [VTE] 19:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Far to complex most articles dont need this level of detail, and I am still not sure why seating arrangement doesnt come under not a travel guide? MilborneOne (talk) 18:21, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm commenting here as there seems not to be other place to do so. To me, the proposed templates are far too complex to edit and have many details that are not needed. I concur with MilborneOne in that much of the informaton is unnecesary, starting with the seating layout. Actually, I find much of the information in the current simpler form somewhat overdressed. Think about the IPs that are constantly modifying fleet tables accross all airline articles. We, the members of the project, will spend much more time fixing their edits if we proceed with this.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:49, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
This template is modeled after the tables already in airline articles...:Jay8g [VTE] 19:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Too much unnecessary information, like Milbourne said even seating should not be in the current table nor the number of passenger or weight of cargo. (talk) 14:51, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

TWA 800 passenger list table[edit]

There is no such list in the article, was it removed by poll or vandalism? all other crash articles have these lists. (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean a list of every passenger on the plane? Because I don't think that's needed. Both the TWA 800 article and another one I looked at, ValuJet Flight 592, have a list of notable passengers and I think that's reasonable. The ValuJet article also has a table breaking down the nationalities of the passengers which I think is good, and I notice that there's no similar table on the TWA article. Is that what you're referring to? -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I have added a list as per other accident articles, of countries and numbers it needs to be checked and a reliable reference found. MilborneOne (talk) 16:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Checking history of the article it appears there was never any such information added there, one person had put in entire list of crew and passengers by name though years ago. I tried to make the notable passengers names and information into prose as well as put in some facts regarding crew with reference but all of it was reverted, have restored the crew part again since its relevant, also according to a CNN article there were thirteen nationalities onboard, cannot find any list showing people by their citizenship. (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
I made the table from info at [1] but I added the citation needed with the hope somebody had a better list, the washington post list has a lot of unknowns. MilborneOne (talk) 19:03, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Flynas edit vandalism?[edit]

Is turning Jeddah-London-Gatwick to appear as Jeddah-London Gatwick vandalism? is correcting Calicut to Kozhikode per article title vandalism? or is it vanadalism to create a redirect i.e [Kozhikode|Calicut] so it appears as Calicut but redirects to Kozikode vandalism when a direct link to article exists under the correct title, in the Gatwick case the redirect is purely to make it appear right and not like three destinations, I mean should we start referring to Chennai as Madras again? Also Flynas rebranded and overhauled while still in operation so they are not flying to India for the first time, yes first time under the new branding, atleast thats what it seems to be, but its irelevant to the other points deemed vandalism. (talk) 15:15, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I never said it was vandalism. I explained at your talk page that, related to the start of services to India, you keep adding statements that are not included in the source provided.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:20, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
This is again a WP:VERIFY issue from your part. Your talk page is full of warnings related to this.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:23, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
What does RV Vandalism mean then in edit summary note? Ok if the airlins insists its flying there for the first time then let it be, but what about the Calicut / Kozhikode issue according to wikipedia policy, the carrier may call it Calicut but ita Kozhikode at wiki, if the common name rule applies should title name be changed back to Calicut? (talk) 15:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Warnings to ban people for minor edits, is taking things to the extreme, someone needs to look into this attitude practised by you. (talk) 15:31, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Check out your talk page again. I used a disruptive editing template, not a vandalism one. The following two diffs also show your conflict with the verifiability policy: [2], [3]. As I already told you once, do not edit Wikipedia if you do not agree with the policies.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:33, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Is this the edit summary you refer to? It wasn't your edit the one that was reverted there. Indeed, that was vandalism.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
What am I doing thats disruptive? do we non wiki affiliated editors have no right to edit what we feel is right while reamining with in wiki policiies because some wiki editor has started hounding that article? whats your problem with Jeddah-London-Gatwick being changed to Jeddah-London Gatwick??? Why do you keep changing Kozhikode to Calicut even as [Kozhikode|Calicut]? isnt the article at wiki title Kozhokode, are you being disprusptive on purpose? I am following wiki policy here you are flouting it, will you refer to Mumbai as Bombay and Chennai as Madras in future aricles if the airline press release mentions those names instead? how abour Burma being listed as Myanmar only wiki calls it Burma, maybe that needs to be changed, answer these questions why are you avoiding them, if Caliicut which is Kozhokode at wiki and worldwide is being written as Calicut which is considered its common use name then why not change the article title back to Calicut? (talk) 15:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
The disruption came after I've explained this to you at your talk and you ignored my messages. Moreover, Calicut is the name that appears in the supporting source. What I used was a piped link, if a rediect bothers you. Again, there are policies here. Do not edit any more articles if you don't agree with them.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:35, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
The three last edits you made to the article ([4]) have been reverted. It is more than clear that you do not understand how to build an ecyclopedia and what supporting evidence means. Starting with the "Codeshare agreements" section, the only source provided dates back to 2012 when the agreement was signed. You should provide updated sources to support your modifications, i.e. a link including current codeshares. As for the India-related stuff, you keep doing the same again and again. The source provided mentions Calicut and not Kozhikode, and nothing about a rebranding is said there also. I suggest you to read WP:VNT.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:46, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Please take this to the article talk page for further discussion, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 18:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I will make sure to write Madras, Bombay, Peking, Myanmar when sources mention those eplaces as such the next time, amazing double standrads just to prove yourself right, no Millbourne will not pursue it any further, just wanted to draw other editors attention to this thats why I discussed it here. (talk) 15:40, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Just make sure to use piped links.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Air Serbia destinations - Varna seasonal service[edit]

The airline is suspending service to Varna for the winter season (starting 26 October 2014) therefore making this destination a seasonal destination. The route has been labeled as "seasonal" on the page but it has been reverted (removing the seasonal color label then saying "becomes seasonal from 26 October 2014) but undid again. Whenever looking at various destinations pages, don't we just marked it as simply seasonal rather than saying "becoming seasonal from 26 October 2014". (talk) 19:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Is there a minimum number of destinations an airline must have before it can have it's own destinations table (on it's own wiki page)?[edit]

Small airlines generally have their destinations displayed on their own Wiki page and I see there are mainly two ways to show them there, a list and a table. I've heard some people say that the latter is only for larger small airlines with about 10 or so destinations and should be avoided for ones with fewer than 5 destinations. I would like to know if there are actually any rules regarding where a list can be used and where a table can be used.

Thanks, Rihaz (talk) 03:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The guidance is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Airlines/page content but we dont set a limit on the size where a table can be used and it is not not actually a requirement to change from list to table. Sometimes the table looks a bit daft with only a few entries but it is mainly a judgement call, a smaller list is far easier but once it starts getting larger or more complex then a change to table could be made. We still have some large airlines using lists so it is not mandatory to change and probably best discussed on the article talk page. If the list get to big (that is in proportion to the rest of the article) then it can be spun of into a seperate article, although note that others outside the project will sometimes oppose the creation of spin-off lists (which they have a right to do) if they are not big enough. MilborneOne (talk) 08:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks! Rihaz (talk) 08:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Garuda Indonesia Philippines[edit]

A user has just created an article for Garuda Indonesia Philippines and we have repeated efforts to merge the Garuda and PAL articles, I have deleted the Garuda Indonesia Philippines article as a hoax (none of the included information made much sense) but does anybody now what is going on here, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 13:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)