User talk:DVdm

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Weight Article

Dear user, you seem to consider my latest attempts in stopping wrong information from being published in a public article to be somehow inappropriate. I haven't been putting too much of an effort in the article, I only tagged it for improvement, and did so partially, and the misconceptions were introduced again as I left the article unattended in favor of paying attention to real world stuff. Therefore as the article's tag suggests there is a root problem with the article, a discussion (that shouldn't be so excessive, as the concept is quite simple) in the appropriate section in the article, that you failed to use, also notice that a summary for every edit was provided then and the suggestion to use the discussion as well.

I'm replacing the previous message here, which I have to recognize was provocative and excessive, for a more appropriate and polite as you deserve your respect too.

I'm reverting, therefore, the article to a point that doesn't have any conceptual errors.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.71.18.167 (talk) 23:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Please (1) put talk page messages at the bottom, and (2) sign them with four tildes (~~~~). In other words, have a look at the talk page guidelines. Thank you. DVdm (talk) 09:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

User, you still fail to use Discussion pages. And there's not such thing as a green light for reverting articles in favor of wrong information based on agreement with one's pal (User_talk:Lambiam#Weight) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.71.8.64 (talk) 04:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

The last thing I did on Weight was to correct a spelling mistake. Three weeks earlier I reverted ([1], [2]) some recurring removal of sourced content and left a few warnings on 190.71.18.167's talk page. There was also a brief discussion on the article talk page, where 3 contributors tried to help this user overcome his confusion. Since then a lot of work has been done by a number of editors.

Now, in answer to your statement that "there's not such thing as a green light for reverting articles in favor of wrong information...", please have a close look at the policy page Wikipedia:Verifiability which says:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true.

Please read that entire policy page. So I'm afraid that there is not much I can do for you. Perhaps you should take this up with those who created this policy. I think you could inquire on Wikipedia:VPP or Wikipedia talk:Verifiability. DVdm (talk) 07:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Pythagorean thm

re your remark "David, it appears that you are trolling. Please stop." - Where did that remark come from? Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Bob, see his entire past history at for instance Centrifugal force, Speed of light, Cross product, ..., and now Pythagorean theorem. Banned from editing physics related articles. Now focussing on mathematics, with essentially WP:NOCLUE, that is if we are supposed to WP:AGF. I can no longer AGF after these things were explained to him so many times. So the only explanation is trolling, resulting in recurring talk page disruption. Someone with much time should report Tombe and make serious work of getting him perma-banned from editing anything related to science, mathematics, logic, ... DVdm (talk) 18:25, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. I don't think it's trolling. Sometimes we may get frustrated with other editors' styles, and think they are being malicious, but in my discussions with David so far, I don't think he means to upset anyone in the discussions at Pythagorean Theorem. This may be hard, but you might try to have a friendly discussion about it on his talk page so that you two understand each other. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 18:36, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Alas, I think we are highly incompatible, and we understand each other perfectly. I see that you assume good faith, but for me this has become absolutely impossible. The pattern is simple: putting something silly (original research) in an article, messing it up, and then hijacking the talk page, relentlessly challenging everyone to prove him wrong. Good luck :-| - DVdm (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Re incompatible, I can understand how you feel. All I can say is that sometimes I'm surprised that someone's intentions are better than they seemed before I discussed it with them on their talk pages. There's a malignant effect that the online world of Wikipedia can have on editors in general, and it takes some getting used to in order to not have the type of online personality in ourselves, that ticks us off when we see it in other editors. I'm in the process of learning that myself. Happy editing, --Bob K31416 (talk) 20:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Concerning grammar on Supernova

Parsing out the elision and rendering the sentence as:

This pair-instability supernova creates a larger quantity of elements which are heavier than helium ("metals") than in other types of supernova and which are not leaving a black hole remnant.

does not rescue it. The most natural interpretation of the second "which" clause now has it referring to "elements," but it is not "elements" which are "not leaving a black hole remnant." Gomphothere 16:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss on article's talk page in section Talk:Supernova#Not leaving or does not leave. DVdm (talk) 16:20, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

And this one was much better as well. You're learning fast. Keep up the good work :-) - DVdm (talk) 18:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

AN3

This looks like it might be resolved at Talk:The Apprentice (U.S. season 3)#Table colour - can you confirm this before I try to figure out why the table uses such hideous colors? Thanks, - 2/0 (cont.) 21:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I must say that I have no idea what the war about the colours was about. I had noticed 3 vandalic edits by this IP, and then noticed that he was involved in some revert war, so I warned the IP for 3RR and reported it at 4RR.

I now had a look at the article. I.m.o. both colour schemes are a torture to the eye, so it doesn't really matter to me either way. Don't they have any nice pastels? Hope this helps? Cheers. DVdm (talk) 21:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I think you acted correctly here, but if it is resolved I would just as soon not bother. Thanks, and keep well, - 2/0 (cont.) 21:53, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, quite indeed. Thanks! - DVdm (talk) 21:57, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Bullets were good

Thanks. --Bob K31416 (talk) 11:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Golden ratio

You removed a link: [*Golden ratio at the orthodox church on red square in Moscow showing examples of the golden ratio at the orthodox church in Moscow on the basis that the text surrounding the pictures and diagrams were not in English. To see the pictures and get the point you don't need to read anything. And it's only a link, after all, and to a very famous example. Brews ohare (talk) 00:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

If it is very famous, then it should be easy to find a link to an article in English. Besides, the diagram is useless. Using the same base diagram one can find any number of examples of any ratio in it. DVdm (talk) 09:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Genesis Creation Narrative

Is it possible to topic ban User:Til Eulenspiegel and User:Cush  ? Their recent edits to the talk page are in violation of Wikipedia policy, and they're preventing constructive work being done on the article. A full ban would be excessive, but would it be possible to ban from editing just this page ? Thanks. Claritas (talk) 16:27, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Sure, topic bans are being imposed every day. See WP:Editing restrictions for a bunch of examples. I had opened an incident at WP:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive616#Til Eulenspiegel on talk page but not much has happened. It's already in the archives, even without a resolved-tag. You can open a new incident and refer to this archived thread, and ask what can be done. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 17:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

WildBot

I have found that it is not necessary to remove WildBot's messages (as you did at Talk:Richard Dawkins). It doesn't matter, but FYI I have oberved that WildBot returns to check articles in due course, and will update its message (removing the message if it thinks all issues are fixed). Johnuniq (talk) 08:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! DVdm (talk) 08:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Option 7

Hi. Did you have any thoughts re Option 7? --Bob K31416 (talk) 12:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Ha... yes, bad thoughts actually... I just opened a subsection on the talk page. Let's keep it there so someone can slap me in case I say something silly ;-) DVdm (talk) 13:22, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 17:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi. It's been kinda quiet over there. From the lack of response, I'm not sure whether or not I've satisfactorily answered the objections to option 7. Did any part of my responses to you and Dick answer any of your objections satisfactorily? If not, I'll probably drop the subject of angle brackets. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 23:46, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

As usual, see talk page :-) - DVdm (talk) 07:15, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Queen of the Trappists

It is also people the way speak but with sources... Santé also! Did you drink this extraordinary beer? José Fontaine (talk) 13:24, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but without a reliable source, this kind of statement does not belong here. Sorry :-| - DVdm (talk) 13:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't agree with you. This kind of title is not so important. It is almost for the fun. The most important thing is to show that these words (Queen of the Trappists) are really used. And there are many other sources. I did say it. But I don't want to have a war edition about that... And to loose time ... Sincerely, I regret, José Fontaine (talk) 16:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Reliable Source discussion

Okay, please accept my apologies DVdm. I am used to speaking frankly, but depending on your standards of communication, that may come up as a bit blunt. I did take your advice in going to Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources as you can check by going there. Meanwhile Johnuniq told me that was not the appropriate place to make a case, because only specific details of guidelines are debated there. I then moved my discussion to the NoticeBoard page. To me it seems that if showing my points with the strength intended, editors will notice, and the arguments will be carried into the deep recesses of Wikipedia. Of course I am assuming people will take the time to read them.

I am a bit appalled with some of the things you have here in your talk page. Though I took your intervention in good faith, it seems much of what you do is to hassle and dispute edits, without any constructive purpose in mind, and blocking anyone who disagrees with you. I cannot be sure but that's what it looks like. Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Note that Johnuniq told you that Wikipedia talk:Identifying reliable sources is not the appropriate place to make a case about the Carl Sagan statement. The case you are making now at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard seems to be about flaws in the Wikipedia policies. In my opinion that case does not belong there, but I'm sure that someone will explain that soon. Concerning your other remark about the things on my talk page, I can assure you that you have it wrong, but I'm not going to elaborate. I wish you good luck with your quest but I'm pessimistic about the outcome. Take care. DVdm (talk) 21:00, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I am writing in IAR Talk page, but it seems like a wild goose chase because the page is visited very infrequently. Please if you want to make a comment right now use my talk page, so you won't disrupt what I am writing. Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 12:37, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up

• RSN archived at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 66#Carl Sagan's Indigo Children

DVdm (talk) 12:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure I should be doing this, but now that the dust settled, do you think there's a point getting consensus about thepatientcapacitor.com being a reliable source? I am thinking, and that should be the criteria to use, that linking to the site enriches Wikipedia, in ways you cannot get anywhere else. The source is verifiable as we discussed, and at least some of the links would be great additions to Wikipedia. Please, let me know. Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 07:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

As did others, I advise you to let it go. So no, I don't think there is a point in pursuing this any further, unless you don't mind risking to get blocked for disruption through some combination of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, WP:FORUMSHOP, WP:POINT, WP:PROMO and/or WP:FORUM. DVdm (talk) 08:21, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

โง่เง่านังงี่เง่าเอ๊ย Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 11:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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