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==Comments on template==
==WARNING: DO NOT DELETE COMMENTS FROM THIS TEMPLATE==
I am very, very busy, so.............. I had thought the comments in [[Template:Getprecision]] were very, very, very, very, very clear, huh? So this is another reminder, in case you didn't get the message, somehow, in some way, shape, form or fashion:
I am very, very busy, so.............. I had thought the comments in [[Template:Getprecision]] were very, very, very, very, very clear, huh? So this is another reminder, in case you didn't get the message, somehow, in some way, shape, form or fashion:

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-- Unless these comments are readily available, people
-- might tinker with the coding (or rename templates),
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-- explanations no longer matching the current coding.
-- UPDATE these comments to match changes to the template.
-- UPDATE the HISTORY during major changes (not typos).
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Do NOT (means "NO") as in don't do it.
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So, put the comments back into the template. Is there some other language you prefer? -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 20:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
So, put the comments back into the template. Is there some other language you prefer? -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 20:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Clearly, having the comments in that location and format has not had the desired effect of ensuring they are read and blindly followed. People boldly editing pages is what wikis are all about, and you cannot change that no matter what you do to the page. There will always be people who believe that they understand the issues and are making constructive changes; you cannot filter those who are correct in that belief from those who are mistaken, by any ''passive'' measure. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange">melon</b>]] 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:Clearly, having the comments in that location and format has not had the desired effect of ensuring they are read and blindly followed. People boldly editing pages is what wikis are all about, and you cannot change that no matter what you do to the page. There will always be people who believe that they understand the issues and are making constructive changes; you cannot filter those who are correct in that belief from those who are mistaken, by any ''passive'' measure. [[User:Happy-melon|<b style="color:forestgreen">Happy</b>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<b style="color:darkorange">melon</b>]] 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::Instead of putting all the info in hidden text, how about creating an editnotice. Some admin would create [[Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Getprecision]] and put the advice there. This text would show above the edit box each time someone tried to change the template. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 22:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
::Instead of putting all the info in hidden text, how about creating an editnotice. Some admin would create [[Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Getprecision]] and put the advice there. This text would show above the edit box each time someone tried to change the template. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 22:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Ed: a good suggestion. I did this on another template once (can't remember which one) but it still seemed rather cluttered and I didn't see why we should try to force editors to read something which another editor has written. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:Wikid: that was quite an outburst and I have taken the liberty of trimming it slightly. Please be polite and collegial, and you will probably get a more helpful response. I can put the comments back in, but I would be interested in discussing this, as having such a large number of comments and history notes in the template itself, is not normal practice. There are several advantages in keeping this sort of stuff on the documentation, and this could be discussed on the template talk page. You'll notice that I did raise this matter there before removing the notes, and waited what I felt was a reasonable length of time before going ahead. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


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Thank you! Aenkiel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aenkiel (talkcontribs) 23:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Squash page

Sorry, but I don't remember making any edits to the 'Squash (sport)' page. I also checked the recent previous edits, and my IP didn't show up.

Cheers, Yash.

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Problems

I can imagine your hesitation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Malaysia_national_football_team however please also note related item http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2010_AFF_Suzuki_Cup&action=history - and the general tenor of the edit war suggests this will not go away - cheers SatuSuro 12:57, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History merge

Hello! Since you've history merged Template talk:SockBlock/Sockblock archive, could you delete my redirect revision in that page (which is now a misleading edit because of the merge)? Thanks, HeyMid (contribs) 11:49, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, although I don't really think this was necessary. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with you – that deletion wasn't necessary. However, I thought you didn't have to delete the entire page history when not deleting all revisions. HeyMid (contribs) 15:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
There are two different methods to do it. WP:REVDEL is the other one - this is for problematic revisions and leaves the entry visible but crossed out. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:EasternWashingtonWikiProject listed at Redirects for discussion

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Convertx is 12,000x smaller rewrite of Convert

19-Jan-2011: This is just a reminder that Template:Convertx (with suffix "-x"), begun in March 2010, is the essence of rewriting {Convert} to be 12,000 times smaller, omitting the many, many, many thousands of subtemplates, {Convert/LoffAoffDsSoff}, etc. Although Convert currently lists "3,422" subtemplates, that number is a small fraction of the subtemplates actually needed to provide all possible promised features. Multiplying the options: lk:4, abbr:7, disp:9, adj:4, Imp/US:4, range:3, y:2 gives a total: 4x7x9x4x4x3x2 = 24,192 subtemplates needed (plus other special cases). That is the main reason why Convert had to be rewritten: people are always asking to create another of the missing 21,000 possible subtemplates. Never mind the hundreds of outdated subtemplates, among the current 3,422. Due to the complexity of Convert, as a nightmare for part-time volunteer work, it has taken these past 2 years to maintain Convert, while also planning the rewrite as {Convertx}. There are many details still to be rewritten, but Convertx also acts as a testbed to help redesign Convert, partially, while preparing to replace it for most users. Meanwhile, {Convertx}, for some limited cases, is ready for use as a proof of concept that similar conversions can be run without "24,000 subtemplates" being created:

Your belief that Convert could be rewritten as a much smaller system, is reality now. -Wikid77 (talk) 14:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We need some help with a recent WikiProject that uses WPMeta. We can't get the little robot icon to disappear. Also, we are having trouble getting a summary table of classes and importants to appear on our project page. Could you please take a look and tell us what we have been doing wrong? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 05:57, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully all sorted. Is this what you were looking for? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MediaWiki question

Hey Martin, I don't suppose you know (or know where to find out) the MediaWiki page that generates the message at the top of special:log/newusers, do you? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 04:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's MediaWiki:Newuserlogpagetext. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:38, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Much obliged. At leas that's almost intuitive! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-archiving

See {{DNAU}} for an effective method of preventing archiving. –xenotalk 23:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I've tried it out. Meanwhile, maybe I will get a response to this simple request. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you shouldn't just remove blue links, you should add red links from WP:RA or WP:MEA as well.--RekishiEJ (talk) 12:24, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We still have ~590. Don't you think that is enough? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the Chinese edition has 10×210-1=2100-1=2099 red links, plus a blue link which is a mere disambiguation page, but should be an independent article (I think there should be more on the template, but other Wikipedians ask me not to add more unless I remove some of the links). So English Wikipedians should try to find important red links on WP:RA and WP:MEA and add some of them to the template.--RekishiEJ (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But a maximum of about 7 is shown at any time, and 7/590 is a very small proportion. In other words you would probably have to visit your watchlist many many times before you saw the same suggestion twice. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, having to visit your watchlist plenty of times before seeing the same suggestion twice is no big deal, as Chinese Wikipedia also has this phenomenon. And the maximum number of articles shown in a template can be extended to 10 to avoid the phenomenon you do not desire. By the way, adding more to the template can warn other Wikipedians that despite the fact that English Wikipedia is the largest one on earth, it still lacks many important articles (e.g. zhengshi, experimental sociology, experimental animation, agriculture in Ukraine, agriculture in Finland, agriculture in Denmark, agriculture in Norway and agriculture in Finland).--RekishiEJ (talk) 17:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Invitation to edit has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. —Willscrlt “Talk” ) 06:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello.

Regarding this [1] There were two stale merger templates on the article, would you be so kind as to remove the other also? Or ought I do another edit request? Tentontunic (talk) 16:15, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, didn't notice the other one! Removed now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that was quick. Thank you. Tentontunic (talk) 16:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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An apology

I apologize for my remark to you about your dislike of Americans. It is another Martin who is frequently involved in taxobox discussions who felt the need to disparage Americans. I used to edit a lot of articles that you worked on, and I think you provide a level of excellence to wikipedia in your areas. --Kleopatra (talk) 00:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hiding Template:Invitation to edit from all but anonymous users

Hi Martin. Are you able to implement Gary King's suggestion? Would you be willing to? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 04:46, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer to leave that to Gary as it would involve changing MediaWiki:Common.js which could have disastrous effects on the whole site if a mistake is made. (And I know very little about JavaScript!) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:31, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I'll ask Gary. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 09:20, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Comments on template

I am very, very busy, so.............. I had thought the comments in Template:Getprecision were very, very, very, very, very clear, huh? So this is another reminder, in case you didn't get the message, somehow, in some way, shape, form or fashion:

So, put the comments back into the template. Is there some other language you prefer? -Wikid77 (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly, having the comments in that location and format has not had the desired effect of ensuring they are read and blindly followed. People boldly editing pages is what wikis are all about, and you cannot change that no matter what you do to the page. There will always be people who believe that they understand the issues and are making constructive changes; you cannot filter those who are correct in that belief from those who are mistaken, by any passive measure. Happymelon 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of putting all the info in hidden text, how about creating an editnotice. Some admin would create Template:Editnotices/Page/Template:Getprecision and put the advice there. This text would show above the edit box each time someone tried to change the template. EdJohnston (talk) 22:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ed: a good suggestion. I did this on another template once (can't remember which one) but it still seemed rather cluttered and I didn't see why we should try to force editors to read something which another editor has written. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wikid: that was quite an outburst and I have taken the liberty of trimming it slightly. Please be polite and collegial, and you will probably get a more helpful response. I can put the comments back in, but I would be interested in discussing this, as having such a large number of comments and history notes in the template itself, is not normal practice. There are several advantages in keeping this sort of stuff on the documentation, and this could be discussed on the template talk page. You'll notice that I did raise this matter there before removing the notes, and waited what I felt was a reasonable length of time before going ahead. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Matin, i just posted my final comment. have a nice day--Lykantrop (talk) 10:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]