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Help request

The Guild of Copy Editors needs your help! As you already know, the Guild of Copy Editors has a Requests page where editors can list their articles to request a copy edit. During January and February, the requests have been arriving at the rate of several every day, and we are getting a bit behind! As one of our prolific editors and a January winner of a leaderboard award, we are hoping you can spare some time to help us get caught up. If you are interested in lending a hand, please select one or two articles from our Requests page and do a copy edit. Help a little or a lot; it's good karma! Thank you very much for any assistance you can offer. Your GOCE coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk), The UtahraptorTalk to me, and Tea with toast (Talk)

Appreciate you

Thanks for the moral support! --Nconwaymicelli (talk) 5:35, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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East Slavic founders of Kievan Rus

Please get a source before you insert claims that East Slavic tribes founded Kievan Rus. It's not even mentioned as a theory in the main article so i see no reason for putting it as a fact in the summary. I've adressed this at the talk page several times but you dont seem to respond. Its hard to get WP:BRD then. Alphasinus (talk) 22:08, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

"Slavic tribes occupied central and eastern Ukraine in the sixth century A.D. and played an important role in the establishment of Kyiv. Kievan Rus Prince Volodymyr converted the Kievan nobility and most of the population to Christianity in 988. Situated on lucrative trade routes, Kyiv quickly prospered as the center of the powerful state of Kievan Rus. In the 11th century, Kievan Rus was, geographically, the largest state in Europe. Conflict among the feudal lords led to decline in the 12th century. Mongol raiders razed Kyiv in the 13th century." from [1] --Taivo (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

The four tribes who had been forced to pay tribute to the Varangians — Chuds, Slavs, Merians, and Krivichs drove the Varangians back beyond the sea, refused to pay them further tribute, and set out to govern themselves. But there was no law among them, and tribe rose against tribe. Discord thus ensued among them, and they began to war one against the other. They said to themselves, "Let us seek a prince who may rule over us, and judge us according to custom". Thus they went overseas to the Varangians, to the Rus. These particular Varangians were known as Rus, just as some are called Swedes, and others Normans and Angles, and still others Gutes, for they were thus named. The Chuds, the Slavs, the Krivichs and the Veps then said to the Rus, "Our land is great and rich, but there is no order in it. Come reign as princes, rule over us". Three brothers, with their kinfolk, were selected. They brought with them all the Rus and migrated.

— The Primary Chronicle

I would be careful using the United States government as a source since they would probably leave out information that could be of potential poltical dispute. As far as i know, the Varangian role in the founding of Kievan Rus is pretty controversial in the East Slavic countries. Alphasinus (talk) 00:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the Primary Chronicle is not a reliable source since it is a primary document, not a secondary source. Thus, while the US government document isn't the best source, it is considered a tertiary source, based on secondary sources. Thus, the Wikipedia hierarchy for quality of sources is 1) secondary source (preferably scholarly), 2) tertiary source (based on secondary sources), 3) primary source. The point is that the role of the non-Slavic Varangians is debatable. While they were involved, their relative level of involvement is in dispute. While you caution about the use of a government document, you use one as well--the Primary Chronicle is, in essence, the official propaganda of the Kievan regime. To quote the Wikipedia entry on the Primary Chronicle: "Nestor worked at the court of Sviatopolk II of Kiev and probably shared his pro-Scandinavian policies." So you choose your propaganda. Find a scholarly source. --Taivo (talk) 02:48, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

You need to read WP:RS to learn that all these things are primary sources and are thus the least reliable sources for use in Wikipedia. Using primary sources to make your arguments in Wikipedia is equivalent to original research and is frowned upon unless there are absolutely no scholarly sources for your information (which is not the case here). No one denies that there was some Varangian influence, but the secondary scholarly sources disagree over the level of that involvement. Stating categorically that the Kievan Rus were Varangians is not supported by scholarship in the field. --Taivo (talk) 10:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Some sources

Is this propaganda as well?

Greek

Further information: Paphlagonian expedition of the Rus' and Rus'–Byzantine War (860)

When the Varangians first appeared in Constantinople (Paphlagonian expedition of the Rus, Siege of Constantinople (860)), the Byzantines seem to have perceived the Rhos (Greek: Ῥώς) as a different people from the Slavs. At least they are never said to be part of the Slavic race. Characteristically, pseudo-Symeon Magister refers to the Rhos as Δρομΐται, a word related to the Greek word meaning "a run", suggesting the mobility of their movement by waterways.

Frankish

Further information: Annales Bertiniani

The Annals are notable, among other things, for containing one of the earliest written references to a group of Vikings who called themselves Rhos, that is the Rus' or early-Russian people. According to the Annals, these had visited Constantinople about the year 838. Fearful of returning home through the steppes, which would have left them vulnerable to attack by the Magyars, the Rhos set out with a Byzantine embassy hoping to obtain the Franks' assent for traveling via Germany. At Ingelheim royal residence, near Mainz, they were questioned by Frankish Emperor Louis the Pious and informed him that their leader was known as chacanus (with no doubt the Latin form for "Khagan" sometimes accordingly emended to chaganus, although formerly held to be a deformation of Scandinavian proper name Håkan)

Arab

The Arab diplomat and traveller, Ahmad ibn Fadlan, who visited Volga Bulgaria in 922, described the Rus (Rusiyyah)

I have seen the Rus as they came on their merchant journeys and encamped by the Itil. I have never seen more perfect physical specimens, tall as date palms, blond and ruddy; they wear neither tunics nor caftans, but the men wear a garment which covers one side of the body and leaves a hand free. Each man has an axe, a sword, and a knife, and keeps each by him at all times. The swords are broad and grooved, of Frankish sort. Each woman wears on either breast a box of iron, silver, copper, or gold; the value of the box indicates the wealth of the husband. Each box has a ring from which depends a knife. The women wear neck-rings of gold and silver. Their most prized ornaments are green glass beads. They string them as necklaces for their women.

— Gwyn Jones, A History of the Vikings

Persian

Persian traveler Ibn Rustah who allegedly visited Novgorod (or Tmutarakan, according to George Vernadsky) and described how the Rus' exploited the Slavs.

As for the Rus, they live on an island ... that takes three days to walk round and is covered with thick undergrowth and forests; it is most unhealthy.... They harry the Slavs, using ships to reach them; they carry them off as slaves and…sell them. They have no fields but simply live on what they get from the Slav's lands.... When a son is born, the father will go up to the newborn baby, sword in hand; throwing it down, he says, "I shall not leave you with any property: You have only what you can provide with this weapon."

— Ibn Rustah, National Geographic

Finnic

Sweden is called [Ruotsi|http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruotsi] in Finnish.

Baltic

Sweden is called [Rootsi|http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootsi] in Estonian.

The approximate extent of Old Norse and related languages in the early 10th century:

  Old West Norse dialect

  Old East Norse dialect

  Old Gutnish dialect

  Old English

  Crimean Gothic

  Other Germanic languages with which Old Norse still retained some mutual intelligibility

History of macroeconomic thought

I'm dying to work on this, and and I noticed that you haven't done a whole lot yet. If you want, I'm happy to pick it up. Lfstevens (talk) 07:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Espionage

Chaosdruid,

I appreciate your reply at WP:WikiProject Council and support. I do ask a favour from you, if you could help me with the Assessment section of WP:WikiProject Espionage or if you know anyone who is willing to help me with it who isn't busy. For example of WP:WikiProject_Intelligence/Assessment similarly like a main page. I am happy with the templates for members and assessment for articles. Feedback would be appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 22:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I would like the following help if anyone isn't busy to help me with:

• An assessment template (for example only) which includes "C-Class" assessment.
• An assessment template that counts how many articles are at what assessment grading or unassessed with "C-Class" assessment.(WP:WikiProject Psychology/Assessment - To the top right of the page.)
• Discussion/talkpage auto archived by a bot every 30 days.
• A page with our goals, aims, participants, etc.
• Somehow become the head person of the WikiProject and have active and inactive member lists.

Any help would be appreciated. If you can find anyone else who can help me, it would also be appreciated. Once again, thank you for your support. Adamdaley (talk) 23:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

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GOCE drive newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 backlog elimination drive report Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors March 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thank you for participating in the March 2011 drive! This newsletter summarizes the March drive and other recent events. Participation GOCE March 2011 backlog elimination drive progress graphs There were 99 signups for the drive; of these, 70 participated. Interest was high mainly due to a link to our event from the Watchlist page. We had a record-breaking 84 articles listed on the Requests page in March; 11 of these have been promoted to Good article status so far. Several of our recent efforts have received Featured Article status as well, and the GOCE is becoming a solid resource for the Wikipedia community. Many thanks to editors who have been helping out at the Requests page and by copy editing articles from the backlog. Progress report Remarkable progress was made in reducing the backlog this month, as we now have fewer than 500 articles remaining from 2009. We are well under the 4,000-article mark for the total number remaining in the queue. Since our backlog drives began in May 2010 with 8,323 articles, we have cleared more than 53% of the backlog. A complete list of results and barnstars awarded can be found here. Barnstars will be distributed over the next week. If you enjoyed participating in our event, you may also like to join the Wikification drives, which are held on alternate months to our drives. Their April drive has started. New coodinators On March 21, SMasters appointed Chaosdruid (talk) and Torchiest (talk) as Guild coordinators to serve in place of The Utahraptor, who recently stepped down. Please feel free to contact any coordinator if you have any questions or need assistance. Your drive coordinators – S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk) and Tea with toast (Talk)

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Help with barnstars

Hi, Chaosdruid. I just saw your note and I am glad to hear you will be able to spend more time on-wiki again! I missed chatting with you. I was wondering if you would have time to help hand out the barnstars from the March drive? With five people potentially able to help, we could have them all handed out really quickly! If you are interested, your task would be to send to people with usernames starting with the letters S through Z (about ten persons). The document that gives barnstar results is here. Please let me know if you will not have time, and I will make other arrangements. Thanks. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 03:54, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

March barnstars!

	The Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star
	For exceptional copy editing efforts during the Guild of Copy Editors' March 2011 Backlog elimination drive, copy editing articles with a total of 116,853 words (including rollover words and bonus words), I hereby induct Chaosdruid into the exclusive, brilliant, Most Excellent Order of the Caretaker's Star. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

		Leaderboard Award – 5K Articles – tied for 4th Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Chaosdruid for copy editing 4 articles of 5,000 words or more during the WP:GOCE March 2011 Backlog elimination drive. Thank you very much. --Diannaa (Talk) 04:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

		The 10k Copy Edit Barnstar
		This special 10K barnstar is awarded to Chaosdruid for courageously copy editing the article Lympne Airport during the March GOCE copy edit drive. Way to go! --Diannaa (Talk) 04:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

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Ack!

I've never written on a talk page before, forgive me, I have no idea what I'm doing. Also, I think you may have written at me or something, but I'll go ahead and ignore that possibility. Excalibur was given to Arthur by the Lady of The Lake (or however the capitalisation goes), and was not the sword in the stone. So, one more time, they were not the same sword. In the movie it is referred to as "Excalibur". That is the error. Maybe they just stuck Excalibur in a rock, but.. And, you left "literary orthodoxy" in there. That doesn't work, because there was no longer an inaccuracy listed regarding literary orthodoxy. If that's even a remotely correct term.. Anyway, I hope you understand. If you could still edit the article and try and make it sound better, that'd be great. Though I've come to think it looks just fine. Or sounds, rather. User:Hamiltøn

John Astley

I fixed the cite problem, but I don't think the block quote I deleted is as strong as the ones recently added. It seemed a weak quote re his talent, et cetera, that other contemporary stated much more strongly and colorfully.Kitchawan (talk) 17:52, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

May drive

Hey, I started a rough draft for the next drive page. I made some changes with regard to 2009 article awards, but I figure we should all discuss it a little more to make sure the changes are okay. Let me know what you think. Thanks. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 20:26, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I think Diannaa fixed most of the problems, but feel free to do any other fixes that are needed. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 21:28, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Article rescue: Rexer survey

Hello. I am new to Wikipedia and would like to dispute the notability tag added by User:Melcombe to the Rexer's Annual Data Miner Survey article. Can you help? Thanks. --Luke145 (talk) 20:29, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

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User:Jaime070996/ES MNT history

Hello Chaosdruid, I wanted to know if you could copyedit this 'article.' Right now it is just a rough draft after everything is edited and finished it will be put into the El Salvador national football team article. I know that it's in the WP:GOCE; I just wanted to be noticed since I posted it 2 days ago or so. Thanks. Jaime070996 20:55, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Over There (Fringe) PR

Greetings! I am currently looking for reviewers to look over an article I hope to propose as a FAC: Over There (Fringe). As I noticed you are a Fringe fan and are an experienced editor, I thought I might interest you in looking over the article and leaving some comments at the peer review when you get a chance. Thank you so much! Much appreciated, Ruby2010 comment! 23:11, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Clint Eastwood

Hi mate, just to let you know I've finished the CE on Clint Eastwood if you want to give it the once over. Best ► Philg88 ◄ ^talk 23:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to further improve the article. The edits are definitely helpful on the path to FAC. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Leontovych

Hey, I've significantly expanded the article on Mykola Leontovych over the past few months. Thought (maybe more of "hoped") you might be interested in expanding, correcting it, or editing in general to help bring it to good, or even featured status. :-)
--BoguslavM 03:17, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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Paul Jaquays

Okay, I'll take a shot at copy editing that article in the new few days, before the May drive starts. Thanks for the heads up. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 13:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Chesapeake

Hi Chaosdruid. Brad has just initiated the FA process on USS Chesapeake (1799). Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/USS Chesapeake (1799)/archive1. It will be interesting to see how well we did. Cheers, --Diannaa ^(Talk) 00:34, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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Storm 2

Sorry for the lateness, but Storm 2 is  Done, equipped with tables.--The copyeditor's corner 17:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

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		I award you with this Copyeditor's Barnstar for tirelessly performing out-of-this-world copyedits. We're so glad to have you here. The copyeditor's corner 17:51, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Storm 2 (reprise)

Did you get my previous message about Storm 2? I hope you like my work. If you don't... slap me with a trout.--The copyeditor's corner 18:18, 1 May 2011 (UTC)