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== Request 2 community reassessment ==
== Request 2 community reassessment ==
Request community reassessments for ''[[Warcraft II]]'' and ''[[Master of Orion II: Battle at Antares]]''. In individual GAR, both ended with new objections, giving me so change to response. And in ''Master of Orion II'' the reviewer wrote, "... indeed possibly also [[WP:NOT]]: this is not an encyclopedia article at present, but a gameguide with reviews" - but ''Master of Orion II'' has many good citations, including several game reviews from good sources - some about just this games, and some about its use as the "gold standard" for reviews of other games. --[[User:Philcha|Philcha]] ([[User talk:Philcha|talk]]) 15:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Request community reassessments for ''[[Warcraft II]]'' and ''[[Master of Orion II: Battle at Antares]]''. In individual GAR, both ended with new objections, giving me so change to response. And in ''Master of Orion II'' the reviewer wrote, "... indeed possibly also [[WP:NOT]]: this is not an encyclopedia article at present, but a gameguide with reviews" - but ''Master of Orion II'' has many good citations, including several game reviews from good sources - some about just this games, and some about its use as the "gold standard" for reviews of other games. --[[User:Philcha|Philcha]] ([[User talk:Philcha|talk]]) 15:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:Those were both delisted over a year ago. If they now meet the criteria you would be better nominating them here rather than going through community reassessment. [[User:Aircorn|AIR<font color="green">'''''corn'''''</font>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Aircorn|(talk)]] 04:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


==Educational assignments==
==Educational assignments==

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Request for reviewers for educational assignments GANs (for mid-November)

Some of you may already be familiar with that :) As I've done in the past, I am assigning my students to improve sociology-related articles on Wikipedia to Good Article. Since this is an educational assignment, the students will need their work reviewed within few days of them requesting a review (they are supposed to request one by November 14, and the course ends within a month of that - and we cannot expects the students to contribute past the grading period, sadly). At the same time I'd ask the reviewers to give students extra time if they need it - some groups may need an entire month to address the issues raised (and some may do it within days - no different from an average editor, really...). Just as I've done in the past several times, I am asking for reviewers to pre-sign for the articles to be reviewed (list below), and in exchange I promise to review myself an article from our backlog (I'll start soon). This time there will be eleven articles to review:

Group 1: College and university dating (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 2: Grounds for divorce (United States) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 3: Double burden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 4: Family honor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 5: Personal wedding website (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 6: Single parent (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 7: Marriage in the United States (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 8: Family in advertising (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 9: Open relationship (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 10: Bride scam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Group 11: Joint custody (United States) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Promised reviews by me on my end of the bargain: 1) Talk:Weiquan movement/GA1 2) Talk:Nuclear energy policy of the United States/GA1 3) Talk:Tom Kahn/GA1 4) Talk:Birth control movement in the United States/GA1 5) Talk:Collaborative fiction/GA1 6) Talk:Outlaw Star/GA1 7) Talk:United Nations Security Council Resolution 82/GA1 8) Talk:Ivan Shishman of Bulgaria/GA1

If you would like to review one or more articles, please post here and cross it from the list above. I'll post the articles I've initiated a review for here, too. Thanks! PS. You are more than welcome to check the student progress before a good article review and offer comments. Some groups are progressing very quickly ( :) ), while others, despite graded course deadlines, have done little or nothing yet (sigh...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:03, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If any are able to complete it by the end of October and nominate it by then, I'm willing to review it quite quickly (if the students are anything like me though, they'll all be nom'd on the 14th lol). Beyond that I can't make any guarantees personally, as I plan to edit sparingly the last month or two of the year. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do one (joint custody). Sounds like fun. Just let me know the time line and if any groups have chosen it. AstroCog (talk) 02:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take Marriage in the US. Ditto with Astrocog's comments. Ruby comment! 03:50, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm willing to take on Personal wedding website. I'm likely to have time to review this in November. I've cleaned up some of the other wedding-related articles on occasion, and based on the difficulties there, I sincerely wish the students luck with finding enough independent sources to write a decent article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:55, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with reviewing any. Buggie111 (talk) 02:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, two down, nine to go (students are supposed to be already working on all of those articles, but their progress varies significantly). If you select an article from that list, please do not hesitate to drop by the article's talk page, introduce yourself to students and offer the any early advise you think is relevant. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 03:21, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Still waiting for more reviewers... :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken college dating and Bride Scam. Buggie111 (talk) 18:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take Grounds for divorce. Looks like it needs lots of work. Jezhotwells (talk) 02:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Single Parent looks like the best of the rest. You may need to start cracking the whip soon. AIRcorn (talk) 06:37, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I've begun doing so. In the end, however, I cannot force them to do anything, and some groups will probably produce problematic entries :( On the bright side, there are always those who do pretty good work, so... the usual :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 03:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Still need 5 more articles to be taken. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 02:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take open relationship. Seems in alright shape. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 17:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That still leaves a few... expect the nominations to appear today. Some are in a pretty good shape, but a few are still not where I'd GAN them. Unfortunately, I cannot force the students to actually do some work, IF they are don't want to do any work. I apologize in advance. ATM bride scam and personal wedding website seem simply not comprehensive and barely beyond stub. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How can Philcha help the GA project?

I am ill and must give up reviewing for GA. At the same time I can still write articles, hopefully to GA level but very slowly. Is there any way I can reduce the load on other reviewrs? --Philcha (talk) 16:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're not that big of a drain :P Just get well soon! Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 18:26, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with David Fuchs; be selfish, think of yourself. But may I say that I find it rather creepy to talk about yourself in the third-person? ;-) Malleus Fatuorum 18:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry to hear that you're ill. If you wanted to "do something" that wouldn't take too much time or energy, and would avoid a lengthier commitment, then I have two suggestions:
  • Look in at Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Report every now and again to see what's happening (if anything) with some of the oldest reviews. Sometimes people need to be prodded to wrap up old reviews, or we need a note here about a review that's been abandoned by its reviewer. Checking one or two and leaving a brief note if there's been no activity for several weeks takes only a couple of minutes. Similarly, sometimes old second-opinion requests can be resolved quickly, without requiring a significant commitment.
  • Stop in at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment. Sometimes the issues are simple, so five minutes' work provides a significant benefit to the nominator.
I hope that you feel better soon. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:38, 4 November 2011 (UTC
Thanks, I'll start soon. --Philcha (talk) 08:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

December 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive

I've created a sub-page for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/December 2011. Let's organize our efforts there. I'll add some other stuff to it later. AstroCog (talk) 20:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, add your name if you want co-coordinate with me. AstroCog (talk) 20:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can jump in as a coordinator if needed, though I'd rather take a backseat and just review for one rather than running it. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 20:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I've suggested above, how about running the drive for two months? Brad78 (talk) 22:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. I'll make the change. AstroCog (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
2 months is too long. Even 1 month can cause coordinators to suffer burn out. (Trust me, I did one month before and it's gruesome.) One month of backlog elimination drive is good enough. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Start the drive now, say November 15, and let it run until the end of December as a compromise. A month and a half is not too long or too short and it also allows people who are going to be home for Thanksgiving to contribute. 88.80.28.70 (talk) 07:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanksgiving - remember the rest of the world. Jim Sweeney (talk) 07:16, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
While I understand burn out for a two-month drive, the statistics above always show the backlog bounces back to normal anyway. I just feel with a two-month drive, even if burnout happens during the second month, it should keep a lid on the bounce a little more than normal. Brad78 (talk) 22:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.99.159 (talk) [reply]
Also, where is registration? Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Drive reviewers add their reviews to the Running total section on the drive page. Looking at past drives, I didn't see any registration pages/sections. AstroCog (talk) 02:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just to point out for all here: there is a talk page for the upcoming drive here. AstroCog (talk) 02:20, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quick fail

I had quick fail the article. Anyone else is welcome to tell the nominator anything else I missed. Best, Jonayo! Selena 4 ever 15:17, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer needed for Occupy Wall Street

The GAN for OWS needs an uninvolved editor to pick up the review from a very involved editor who mistakenly began reviewing the article, using the GAN process to push his POV against consensus. Please go to Talk:Occupy Wall Street/GA1 and check in. Binksternet (talk) 18:38, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, given the backlog of GANs, I see no obvious reason why this shouldn't be placed back in the queue to wait its turn for an uninvolved editor. It was just nominated today. AstroCog (talk) 18:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's almost certainly a quick fail—a look at the article history and the friction on the talk page will be decisive. I cannot do this myself because I am involved. Binksternet (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done. AstroCog (talk) 19:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cyrillic in sources

Greetings! I have a question regarding the use of Cyrillic in citations. In the review of Michael Shishman I have been told that the citiations should be in Cyrillic; while at the current GA review of Ivan Shishman, I am told the opposite and the reviewer has suggested to bring that issue here. How are we going to proceed? Should the citations of books in Cyrillic be left in that alphabet or transliteration into Latin? Regards, --Gligan (talk) 20:09, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My personal thought is to leave the title in its native language and alphabet, but provide the English translation of the title. The {{cite book}}, etc templates have |trans_title= to deal with that, and if you are using citation templates, that's probably the easiest way to go. If you aren't, you can emulate that output though. Imzadi 1979  03:47, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is anything wrong with the way you have done it. The National Anthem of Russia is a featured article and doesn't even use the transliterations. AIRcorn (talk) 04:18, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As the reviewer who asked for the above changes, I want to clarify I am fine with the Imzadi's solution. The best reference will have both the original text (title and publisher, at least), and the translated text for them. For non-Latin alphabets everything really needs to be transliterated. I wonder if there is something in the MoS about it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 00:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a translation of the title, a transliteration isn't really needed, and in fact would clutter things needlessly. Imzadi 1979  00:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also, it's worth remembering that the WP:Good article criteria don't require anything at all in terms of citation formatting. I don't want to discourage people from making improvements, but if the reviewer can figure out what source the citation refers to, then it clears the (very low) bar set by the actual criteria. Consequently, inconsistency or some level of incompleteness in citation formatting is not technically something that articles should be failed over. (See the commentary on that criterion.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I misspoke; a translation is of course preferable to simple transliteration. But a transliteration can be useful, for example some sources may prefer to use a transliterated, rather then translated title when referring to a title. And of course we do not translate names. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated this article here a little while ago; it's got a little while to wait before its turn, though. However, an editor brought to my attention that he sees it as more of a list, and therefore FLC, as opposed to an article for GAN. I had considered which was the more appropriate venue when I nominated it and chose GAN because I felt it was a list embedded in an article, rather than a list with prose. However, I may have been mistaken, and I sure don't want to wait however long it will take for this to come up for review only to be told I brought it to the wrong place, which delays this getting promoted and would delay my place in the queue with a confirmed article. Please give me some advice: does the above article belong here or at FLC? – Muboshgu (talk) 01:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am leaning towards featured list. I looked through the featured lists and there a number of draft articles there and I did not find any in the promoted good articles. AIRcorn (talk) 03:11, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I don't even see this as borderline, the article should be withdrawn here and submitted at FLC. Courcelles 04:35, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In hindsight, I guess you're right. I'll withdraw it and nominate something else here. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for four reviewers

For the educational projects described above. Expect the nominations to appear today or tommorrow, and I'd love to see reviews by the end of this week. Thank you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Watch this nomination page / RSS / Atom

I just saw this nice footer now added to all Article Alerts page: Wikipedia:Article alerts/Report page footer. I think it would be helpful to have a variant of it added to all GAN nominations. I wanted to create a template/page for us, but there is a bit too much code for me to parse that page. Do you think it would be a good idea to add it to our nominations (we already have a toolbox with disambig/link tools)? If so, could somebody assimilate those tools for us? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 20:29, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Failing nom

hello,

the nominator of Otis Redding is now away and will return at the end of this month. I don't want to wait so long, as I want to bring it to TFA on 10 December (not important if it fails or not, I just want to try it out; it is a challenge). There are now these options:

  1. Either I fail this article myself and search another review; he should review it right after I put this tag on the talk page. If someone is willing to do that, please let me know,
  2. Or I fail this and bring it to FAC.

I now want to here from you any suggestions which of these two options are the most effective, and why. Thank you.--♫GoP♫TCN 21:56, 15 November 2011 (UTC) [reply]

I think SilkTork waited long enough (six weeks) for improvements and the article should be failed. He would have passed it if it was ready; instead, he announced his upcoming online absence. The article is not ready for WP:FAC, not by a long shot. (No mention of San Francisco Bay or Sausalito? Incorrect quote of Bill Graham saying "biggest gig" rather than "best gig"? No mention of how Redding influenced Janis Joplin? No reference to Geoff Brown's book Otis Redding: Try a Little Tenderness or Zelda Redding's The Definitive Otis Redding? The glaring mistake about the accidentally wrong versus intentionally false ending that Redding put into his final song at Monterey Pop?) I would recommend submitting the article to WP:Peer review after the GAN is closed. Binksternet (talk) 22:54, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your review. Not only long enough, but too long imho. He should have quick-failed it right from the beginning. The GAN was more like a Peer Review, anyway I will put this to PR. All in all it was a little bit too long and sluggish, but very helpful.--♫GoP♫TCN 11:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Review stalled

As the review here has stalled and the reviewer seems to be busy with their FAC, can someone pick up where the review ended ("Meteorological history")? Thanks. HurricaneFan25 14:38, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Request 2 community reassessment

Request community reassessments for Warcraft II and Master of Orion II: Battle at Antares. In individual GAR, both ended with new objections, giving me so change to response. And in Master of Orion II the reviewer wrote, "... indeed possibly also WP:NOT: this is not an encyclopedia article at present, but a gameguide with reviews" - but Master of Orion II has many good citations, including several game reviews from good sources - some about just this games, and some about its use as the "gold standard" for reviews of other games. --Philcha (talk) 15:23, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Those were both delisted over a year ago. If they now meet the criteria you would be better nominating them here rather than going through community reassessment. AIRcorn (talk) 04:47, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Educational assignments

There are numerous nominees associated with university courses and, therefore on a tight timeline. Because they are being edited by new users a good degree of patience and instruction should be used. Such articles looking for reviewers include:

I have reviewed one and will keep the review open until the course is over. maclean (talk) 03:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will review Assembly of the Poor Jezhotwells (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]