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Is the Velindre University NHS Trust a university?

Velindre University NHS Trust was awarded university status by the Welsh Government in 2018.[1] Should we therefore include it in List of universities in Wales and in Category:Universities in Wales? Verbcatcher (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Good question. I don't really know what "university status" means in this context. Deb (talk) 11:05, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

My feeling is "no", but university health trusts/boards (there are several) may warrant a mention in List of universities in Wales. There is a list article List of NHS Wales trusts and health boards. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

It's likely that the NHS Trust provides on-the-job training leading to a full academic qualification, perhaps a degree in nursing. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Geology of Wales by county

After compiling a Geology of Monmouthshire some considerable while ago, I've recently initiated two further articles; Geology of Ceredigion and Geology of Carmarthenshire, with a view to also putting together one for Anglesey and another for Pembrokeshire. I have also compiled the Geology of Brecon Beacons National Park and Geology of Snowdonia National Park, as part of a growing family of such articles for all of the UK national parks. I'm minded that a county geology of Pembrokeshire will also serve as the article for the Pembs Coast NP, such is the extent of overlap. In connection with the county geologies I've established a new template at Template:Geology of Wales, comparable to that which already existed for England.

My quandary from this point is how to further progress county geological coverage of Wales; there are choices to be made. Each of those completed or mooted thus far are for areas which are both current counties and (barring some manageable modifications) also traditional pre-74 counties, that's to say readily recognisable by a wide range of people. But do I go for separate geologies of the traditional counties of Radnor, Montgomery and Brecknock or just a single one of Powys? And turning to south Wales - is it to be 'Geology of Glamorgan(shire)' or some combination of smaller districts? And up north, what might be most appropriate - Flintshire, Denbighshire etc or Clwyd and Gwynedd or some assortment of current administrative units, noting that the modern boundaries map awkwardly onto the traditional ones. Observations please?! cheers Geopersona (talk) 14:37, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

What you have done so far is very useful. Personally I think that using the modern political boundaries is sufficient. Writing the article for Anglesey is going to be a tour-de-force, especially when dealing with Parys Mountain! I would welcome appropriate geological inputs into some of the River articles and some of the key nature reserves and national parks since geology is often a powerful determiner of significance and morphology. I think that there is also opportunities for substantial expansion of what you have already started to include more on superficial geology and setting the time-line for the major phases of orography in Wales. I read the Ceredigion article with great interest but would have loved to have seen much more on the metalliferous mining, the geo-morphological genesis of the metalliferous seams and how they were all related. Regards  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   15:58, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Velella - you'll see some of what you wish for soon on the metals and 'superficials' front but not all of it - finding suitable references for some aspects is trickier than one might hope at times. I expect you know the feeling. As to putting more geology into other articles, I've toyed with the idea of doing that for Wales' AONBs, indeed I began Geology of the Gower Peninsula recently, astonished that it had not already been covered! cheers Geopersona (talk) 16:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Wouldn't you be best to concentrate on defined areas that have a noted geological history. I can't imagine there's much available that looks at the geology of Torfaen County Borough, but I can easily imagine there are plenty of books and studies about the geology of Glamorgan, for example. Sionk (talk) 21:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Sionk - Thanks. There's much truth in that, and so many of the modern unitaries are so small in any case. (B.t.w. I think you were just using it to express a relevant point but I've already covered Torfaen within the Monmouthshire article.) Regarding continued relevance, there remains the potential for some of these modern units to be swept away in the next (inevitable?) round of administrative change though the posited mergers of some of the valleys authorities (e.g. RCT and Merthyr) just a few years ago did not happen. There are however other arguments against use of certain old admin units too; a traditional Caernarvonshire approach would entail considerable overlap with Snowdonia (though lots of geology in Arfon and Llŷn which is markedly different from that in the NP) whilst a traditional Flintshire approach would entail a description of three separate areas, reflecting the curious administrative geography until '74. I feel that what might work best in one part of Wales would not suit another; I'm warming to a Powys-wide approach for the three traditional counties of Radnor, Montgomery and Brecknock, but at the same time warming to a Glamorgan-wide account of the geology represented by the numerous geographically small unitaries which cover that traditional county. Geology is no respecter of admin boundaries (though it might be observed that the southern boundary of the Brecon Beacons NP, extant since 1957, does reflect the geology as it roughly corresponds to the northern margin of the Coal Measures - a divide between the industrialised region to its south and the less impacted landscape to its north). cheers Geopersona (talk) 06:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Geopersona (talk · contribs), you are doing a fantastic job. I'm sorry that I don't have the answers to your dilemma. Deb (talk) 09:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Just added a link in the template to mining in wales - I think it probably ought to have some sort of 'topography of wales', 'volcanics in wales' and maybe one of the sections should be 'the valleys' - but that article seems short on any geology, maybe the 'south wales coal fields', and maybe the southern border ridges, oh and maybe 'the welsh coastline' should be a section ? I've heard they are starting jokingly to call it the 'dragon coast' but I've not seen that in 'reliable print' yet (as it is throwing out some nice fossils but they can't use the Jurassic coast as that monika's already taken). does 'hydrology of wales' warrant a link ? besides waterfalls (which I think already has an article)- there is some geothermal at taffs well for instance due to the syncline under the south wales coal field - anyway just wanted to say it looks good so farGeopersona (talk · contribs) keep it up. EdwardLane (talk) 09:49, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Wondered further about whether the geology under the severn estuary/bristol channel should be included - and then I thought about cardigan bay, and the petrified forest Cantre'r_Gwaelod#Physical_evidence EdwardLane (talk) 10:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Deb (talk · contribs), EdwardLane (talk · contribs) Thanks for your interest and support. Incidentally re Dragon Coast, I'd mused myself on what name it might garner - 'Dragon Coast' is quite amusing!

Thanks for the comment Deb (talk · contribs), thinking about it a bit more should there be a paleontology subsection to point at notable fossiliferous sites/strata that are found in wales - Dracoraptor, the petrified forest I mentioned above (+any other geological SSSI in wales) could go in that - if that is a sensible thought - as a way of organizing things. sorry I'm still chucking out ideas at the moment rather than writing articles. Are there welsh Geologists of note - should they be in the template or is that too parochial? EdwardLane (talk) 09:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

No doubt, a layman might want to search for (say) "The Geology of Breconshire". Good luck with that. Such articles (geology not respecting county boundaries) would inevitably involve an awful lot of links to other articles. Geology, and Powys(!), is of course a huge area. There have certainly been "notable" Welsh geologists - not least my old "boss" Sir Alwyn Williams (who is not listed in the Category:Welsh Geologists for some reason). StanhopeNg (talk) 13:37, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

He is now! The Geology of Wales (which also does not respect the boundary approximating Offa's Dyke) is an even bigger article, so I'd argue it is worth breaking the area down to go into more detail than can be done at country level and counties are the units that the most people can most readily relate to - but exactly which counties, post-74, is a question! Powys is manageable. I've often mused on the fact that the BGS break down their descriptions into small rectangular areas across each of the UK's constituent countries, and that's a really strange way of going about things when you think about it! cheers Geopersona (talk) 14:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Local Government expert?

We need a really good page tying together the history of local government boundary changes and council authority changes. I found a lot of "bits and pieces" today while researching to create the requested Aberdare West page (please check my sandbox btw and give me feedback) - but no real overview explaining how these pieces go together.

Considering Aberdare specifically, for example, it's been passed between the following in the last 200 years without a clear sense of when each of these bodies started and stopped:

• Mid Glamorgan County Council
• Aberdare Town (electoral ward)
• Llwydcoed (electoral ward)
• Aberdare East
• District of Rhondda

There are also very few references.

Do we have an expert here? Or anybody know a very good book or authoritative website? Is there interest in creating a mini-project specifically to tackle this?

Cheers all - will keep looking into it, but I'm hoping we have a local government historian who will be able to tackle this with confidence Ninquelosse (talk) 00:31, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

I'd agree that it can be very confusing but we do already have this page - History of local government in Wales - further detail should be added there. In addition to current content, a simple at-a-glance timeline might well be helpful. cheers Geopersona (talk) 06:18, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Welsh_independence#Informal/Non-professional_opinion_polls

Need some interested editors to weigh in on the matter of some recent opinion polls. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Hi, I have raised a proposal to merge List of Welsh principal areas by area and List of Welsh principal areas into List of Welsh principal areas by population; more details at the article talk page. If anyone is interested in the matter either way, please add comments (on that page rather than here). Thanks, Crowsus (talk) 16:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

No reasons were given for merging. I've left a comment. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 19:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Welsh Government COVID-19 videos

Hi all. After a few months of discussions, the Welsh Government have agreed to place all their You Tube videos on a Creative Commons open licence (CC-BY) and an OGL licence. This is massive! I don't think any other governments have done this; correct me if I'm wrong! I've so far added around 40 of their videos on Commons, and they will be adding pre-July videos in the next few weeks, also on open licences, which I will add to this list (with summaries) on Commons. You can add them to the COVID-19 pandemic in Wales article, and any other articles of course! They could also be a separate list article, a kind of video diary. Feel free to use and reuse on any of our wiki projects! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 18:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Llywelyn2000. I'm very pleased, but not surprised; Wales has many sources (e.g. national biographies, newspapers, journals) free to search, whilst other in parts of the UK quite hefty search fees may apply. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:45, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

That's really kind of you Tony! It's been a lot of hard work, but yes, Welsh Government, Coleg Cymraeg, NLW, WJEC, Sain (Recording), Llen Natur, Natural Resource Wales videos, and the Welsh Book Council have all responded positively to my requests. Where internal policy changes have occurred (Welsh Gov, Coleg, NLW etc), the open content will continue on a permanent basis! More coming soon! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 09:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Welsh Government have now changed all of their 1,500 videos on YouTube to CC-BY! So help yourselves to those on the WG's YouTube channel. I've converted (MP3 -> WebM HD) and uploaded around 70 to Commons. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 17:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Shwmae! I've uploaded a short advisory video here based on our Test, Trace, Protect system run by NHS Wales. I've also created a Welsh language stub article Profi, Olrhain a Diogelu (Test, Trace, Protect). There is an English article based on the NHS Test and Trace system in England, but nothing on the other 3 nations (as usual!) Thanks! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 17:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Ardderchog! Deb (talk) 18:50, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Just published - Test, Trace, Protect. Please give it an MOT! Thanks! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 15:23, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Welsh fiscal deficit

Re: Welsh fiscal deficit. I've tagged this article as Political POV. Only one side has been considered by the user, and half truths. He's also reverted my edits as it 'doesn't look like the cited sources meet WP:RS'. None of the sources are banned on WP, and include: www.businesstimes.com, swalesmetroprof.blog (Prof. Mark barry, Cardiff University), International Institute for Strategic Studies and International Institute for Strategic Studies. John Jones (talk) 00:35, 17 February 2021 (UTC)