: {{ec}} OK, I did find a couple things that may help: My main reference book is [[The Chicago Manual of Style]], and you can find an online copy [https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/home.html here]. For a brief understanding of capitalization in titles and using prepositions see [https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/capitalization/rules-for-capitalization-in-titles.html this]. I'll keep looking for our MOS on it (and maybe if I have any {{tpw}} that might know they will offer the MOS link). [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched#top|talk]]) 14:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
: {{ec}} OK, I did find a couple things that may help: My main reference book is [[The Chicago Manual of Style]], and you can find an online copy [https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/home.html here]. For a brief understanding of capitalization in titles and using prepositions see [https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/capitalization/rules-for-capitalization-in-titles.html this]. I'll keep looking for our MOS on it (and maybe if I have any {{tpw}} that might know they will offer the MOS link). [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched#top|talk]]) 14:51, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
::: For titles in quotes in a sentence, I would think it should read as the actual title does. ex. I enjoy listening to "[[Blame It on My Youth]]" to relax. (the jazz one .. lol). [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched#top|talk]]) 14:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
::: For titles in quotes in a sentence, I would think it should read as the actual title does. ex. I enjoy listening to "[[Blame It on My Youth]]" to relax. (the jazz one .. lol). [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched#top|talk]]) 14:59, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
* {{u|Drmies}} may be able to offer a more professional, accurate, or proper explanation. My mom was an English teacher, and while I didn't study the language as she did, mom did drum some of the rules into my head. (sadly, probably not as much of it took as she would have liked) I don't remember many of the specifics, but it gives me a general feel for what's right or wrong. [[User:Ched|— Ched]] ([[User talk:Ched#top|talk]]) 15:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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I am not constantly or consistently on wiki at any given time. I might be able to spend 10 hours a day editing; or I may be away for extended periods of time. The reasons aren't important to wiki, but the point is that if you don't get a response here in short order - please feel free to look elsewhere. It has never been my intent to ignore anyone, and it never will be. If I don't respond in a reasonable time frame, feel free to ping me again, or drop me an email. If you post here, then 99.9% of the time I will answer (here). I try very hard to not ignore people. The few exceptions would be trolling, people I've asked to stay off my talk page (0 at last count), and vandalism that isn't funny. (funny vandalism is always at least smiled at prior to deletion). ~ Ched
Just a note on WP:AGF. This is a very good concept, both here and IRL. But per WP:PACT, AGF until proven otherwise. note 2: Given that the subtleties of English grammar aren't always apparent to all, sometimes just stating the truth is required. In case there any doubt: Good faith is not the same as respect. I can assume good faith, but respect must be earned.
I wanted to reinforce that all that work you did with supporting information for SarahSV's obituary did not go to waste at all. I'm glad someone else had the presence of mind to link directly to that page, but it certainly informed a lot of what I wrote, and it is interwoven into the body of the article by many of the contributors. I really appreciate you jumping in, it has made everyone's work easier - and you did a fantastic job of it. Risker (talk) 02:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Awww dang. Thank you so very much for that Risker. It's so nice to be appreciated. Actually, you are the one who deserves the kudos here for getting this whole thing off the ground. Your kindness is boundless, and I feel honored to be a part of it. It's a bit difficult because of the circumstances, but I picture Sarah looking down with a big smile and that makes it easier. You have no idea how much I appreciate you taking the time to drop by to say those wonderful things. Thank you so very much. Now I have to go get something out of my eye. :-) — Ched (talk) 03:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker)@Risker and Ched: Awww, It's so strange but I got something in my eye after reading that too. "The best of humanity" keeps coming to mind. We need more like the both of you. Selfless, kind, caring, empathetic, understanding, all characters traits of a healthy Song. Thank you both for being who you are. --ARoseWolf13:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry Ched, I'm very late to the game. I still have your ping at the top of my page only now realized I never replied - not being rude or ignoring, just really spacy for some reason. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/Obituary/FA-GA is very nice page and extremely helpful. Thanks for the work and putting it into a table. Victoria (tk) 21:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Victoriaearle, there's absolutely NO need to apologize for anything. Sarah's death hit a LOT of people very hard, and I'm sure many of us have missed a lot of things. I'm not even sure what the ping was for, but likely just to acknowledge what you were working on. I do greatly appreciate the kind words, but truth be known, Risker is the one who started that page - I just tried to fill it out as best as I could. From what I've seen, I've gathered the impression that you and Sarah were pretty close - so you do have my heartfelt sympathies for the loss of your friend. (and I extend that to all of her friends and family). Thank you again, not only for your kind words and efforts on her memorial, but also for all the work you do to improve our project. You're really are one of the really good ones out there Victoria. — Ched (talk) 22:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Ched. You obv have a lot more institutional knowledge that me, esp on admin type matters, so asking that you pls refine, delete or expand on this edit pls. I have the overall gist, and think there is a significant sentence or two needed to sum up, but am a faulty bot and help needed. Best. Ceoil (talk) 01:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ceoil, Thank you for the kind words, and I'd be happy to take a look at it. I know you have far more experience in FA quality writing than I do, so I am very honored that you'd ask. — Ched (talk) 02:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that highlighting her work on "Right to vanish" is a net positive, as it has been an extremely problematic guideline for the project since the day it was written. I'd be in favour of marking it historical since there is not a globally recognized "rigght to vanish" throughout the Wikimedia world, is outside of the control of the English Wikipedia community (there are only global renames nowadays) and it has largely been supplanted by the Cleanstart guide. I'd say at least half of the users who tried to use that guideline wound up getting themselves in big trouble because they didn't really have any intention of vanishing. Risker (talk) 03:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Risker, I just went with what was there, but I don't have any objection to it being removed. I don't see any edits from her in the early (2013) history of Cleanstart, so there's not really even a segue there to work with. — Ched (talk) 03:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how it was "older problematic history" that "need not be addressed in an obituary", but "[mine] is not to reason why" :-) — Ched (talk) 07:50, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Kindred spirits here then. Very hard to pick a "favorite" for me, I liked all the ones mentioned. I do agree with Intothatdarkness on Bloom County, and I'd definately add Wizard of Id to the mix, with The Boondocks, C&H, Garfield (poor Jon) rounding out my top 5. Always loved The Family Circus, Cathy, and Blondie (comic strip), as well. The Far Side could be hit or miss for me - sometimes hilarious, but sometimes I just looked and said "huh"? I really did enjoy the smell of a newly printed newspaper, and that tactile feel would be hard to explain to a young-un. I actually had 2 jobs that played into that many years ago. I worked as a temp in the print shop for the local Bayer complex for about 6 months, and was the "on call" computer tech for a newspaper distribution hub in Pittsburgh. (I could bill high and loved the smell, but I hated those 3:00 am calls) — Ched (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You changed some Sinatra songs, so you can perhaps enlighten me on capitalisation of song titles which has remained a mystery. In German, we don't make changes for something being a title, lowercase and uppercase stay the same. I understand that in English some words get "up" but others not. For hymns, we use sentence case with quotation marks, and things remain "low". Where are the rules? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
OK, just a real quick look through MOS, and I'm not finding what I really wanted, but: Looking at a couple of them All or Nothing at All you'll see that the actual article title the words "or" and "at" are lower case. The same with Blame It on My Youth, the "on" is not capitalized. I'll try to find a more formal link for you, but in general, even in titles small words that don't really impact the meaning (is, to, or, at, on, etc.) are not capitalized. I'll try to find something about it in the English language - even if it's not on Wiki. (ping @Gerda Arendt:) — Ched (talk) 14:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Helpful already. For why some capital but others not perhaps compare A Boy was Born where enough agreed that the "was" has to be upercase to make a change from the creator's name - which I still find horrendous. Perhaps there's a guideline in the discussions. For me, no Wikipedia guideline should trump how the author(s) named something. - The other question: why not use sentence case throughout when quotation marks tell from where to where a title goes? "Blame it on my youth", otherwise, why "on", but "It" and "My"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Drmies may be able to offer a more professional, accurate, or proper explanation. My mom was an English teacher, and while I didn't study the language as she did, mom did drum some of the rules into my head. (sadly, probably not as much of it took as she would have liked) I don't remember many of the specifics, but it gives me a general feel for what's right or wrong. — Ched (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
