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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Hillary Rodham Clinton. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. seresin | wasn't he just...? 23:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Journey Discussion Page

I've replied to you on the Journey discussion page.Dave Golland (talk) 03:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

re:Comment desired on article change

What kind of feedback are you looking for? The re-write looks fine if that is the response you were seeking - I won't object to it. -Classicfilms (talk) 03:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

McCain

Hi WTR. FYI, I shortened the 2000 campaign section using your sandbox version with a few modifications. If you're willing to keep going with the shortening process, that would be great. Alternatively, I could take the lead if you want. Either way, it might be best to make the changes more incrementally, in the main article itself (i.e. not using sandbox), per Evil Spartan.[1]Ferrylodge (talk) 23:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC) Is there some delay with Cultural and political image of John McCain edits? It seems like edits aren't showing up. Also, comments are disappearing entirely.62.131.79.96 (talk) 12:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Polarizing Figure

A notion on the HRC "polarizing" issue: the phrase "polarizing figure" as in "HRC has been a polarizing figure" seems to trigger readers into assuming that it's a criticism of her. It's possible that "throughout her career, HRC has had a strong polarizing effect" or "Public response to HRC has been strongly polarized ever since event X, including both popular polarization reflected in few "neutral" or "don't care" responses in polls, and in partisan ..." would have a less polarizing effect on Wiki readers. The phrase "polarizing figure" is commonly used, but avoiding it in favor of "effect" or "response" might lead to less outrage and arbitrary editing: it's less ambigious and sounds less judgmental.CouldOughta (talk) 14:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Mc Cain assessment

The new article about his military career is better. I don't like the many quotes, but think that is OK by encyclopedic standards. Wandalstouring (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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Help for NPOV at Atheism

Wasted Time R. I have looked at GAR and FAR archives and you are one of the Wikipedians who best fight for Neutrality. Your help is needed at Atheism where the article sounds as an apology of Atheism and worse, it is a Featured Article! The editors are strongly against any change. They are propose a very minor compromise in the form of linking to Criticism to Atheism.

I told them the article on atheism "should fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by a reliable source, and should do so in proportion to the prominence of each," "in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject, or among the concerned parties." (NPOV)

The discussion place is here. Please help. Kleinbell (talk) 07:34, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Timberg

Hi WTR, if you get a chance would you please let me know what the page numbers are for Chapter 1 of Timberg's American Odyssey? Same for Nightingale's Song. Thanks.Ferrylodge (talk) 16:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

By the way, do you know of any cite that says McCain got the last four of the military decorations listed?Ferrylodge (talk) 01:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I looked pretty thoroughly on the web for a list of his decorations, and couldn't find those last four. I have no doubt that he received them, because they're fairly routine. He also probably received many more (e.g. a medal for completion of training, plus more than one of some of the medals listed, et cetera). I'm thinking it might be best simply to erase the uncited decorations, and include a note that we're listing only some of the decorations he received. I'll do that unless there is objection.Ferrylodge (talk) 14:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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Sandbox

I have moved Sandbox/mcc-cul to User:Wasted Time R/sandbox. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 01:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Congrats

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		This barnstar is for your tireless efforts in creating and improving the Hillary Clinton article, please keep up the good work. Thanks! Dwilso talk 04:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

To Love a Child

A long shot, but as a Nancy Reagan and Frank expert can you add anything? Thanks. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 15:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Award

		The Resilient Barnstar
		For being able to listen to criticism, and improve in your ability for NPOV writing a very informative section on the Cultural and political image of Hillary Clinton. Kudos!! ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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CfD nomination of Category:Rush tours

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Congratulations!

Your turn in the spotlight, here. But despite what the reporter implied, you're not alone in the good fight! Tvoz |talk 06:02, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Now that is an amusing article. Oh the minor things we Wikipedians fight over. Excellent job on Hillary's article, btw. I'm dreaming of the day when Obama's article loses the partisans (on both sides) and returns to the days where the only reverts are caused by someone replacing the page with a racist comment. *sigh* --Bobblehead ^(rants) 17:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. Although my wife is annoyed that my aside portrayed her as too anti-WP. But I think she's right! If you're in a library, read the books there, don't go on the computer and look something up on WP. And yes, the Obama article looks like total misery these days. Wasted Time R (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

It's only going to get worse, I'm afraid. Tvoz |talk 07:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Blogs as sources

My objection isn't so much with the blogs themselves, as with them being the only source. I do not consider any blog or Op-ed piece to be a reliable enough source on its own. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that the problem with using these "blogs" is that they are not actually published in the newspaper that fathers them. Once we start allowing some blogs as reliable sources and not others, we are getting to a point where we are going to start having to make arbitrary decisions about which are "good" and which are "bad" blogs. I'm saying that these blogs should be avoided as primary sources. If the material presented in them is considered newsworthy, that information will most likely be published in another "more reliable" source somewhere. We are walking on a slippery slope here. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Suki Lahav

I don't know when she split with Louis Lahav, but Yonatan, her elder son, is in his early twenties now, and he was definitely born with Moshe. It is possible that Moshe is a Cohen and cannot marry a divorcee according to Israeli law, but I am not sure of that. My connection is actually quite unusual--I was a neighbor of hers in Jerusalem and taught both her kids for their bar mitzvahs. She also gave me my cat, Mendel. One interesting thing, though it may not be worth noting, is a song for which she wrote the lyrics , Tfilat Ha'Imahot (The Mothers' Prayer, תפילת האמהות, music by Antonis Vardis), which was set to appear on an album by Glykeria. The song, which was written as a gift for some Egyptian official, was recorded by Glykeria (a Greek artist), Amal Murkus (a Palestinian artist), and Yehudit Tamir (an Israeli artist), making it an unusual collaboration. I actually did the English translation of the song. Danny (talk) 19:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Early life/military of McCain

Thanks for your message. I just read over the article; finding no major problems or flaws, I support the FA nom. I hope that you are not upset by my actions of nominating the main McCain article for GA status; it is surely ready, and it being GA would further the chances of a successful FA. Good luck with the FAC, Happyme22 (talk) 21:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

WTR, Do you think we should be nominating the main McCain article for "Good Article" or featured article?Ferrylodge (talk) 21:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan! Happyme22 (talk) 22:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

You're famous!

Just read this article from The New Republic. Kelly ^hi! 22:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

It's a big stretch to say that, but thanks nonetheless ;-) Wasted Time R (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

WTR is wise to shy away from celebrity. In America, we just build 'em up to tear 'em down. Not that I would, of course.  :-)Ferrylodge (talk) 02:08, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Excellent job! You're the best PR rep for Wikipedians I've read, and I mean that in all sincerity. Joshdboz (talk) 12:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Wasted Time R (talk) 12:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You're on Slashdot too! JACOPLANE • 2008-03-31 13:04

Hunh! I know Slashdot well. I'm sure any praise there will be heavily outweighed in the other direction ;-) Wasted Time R (talk) 13:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Wikipedia seems to be intensely hated on sites like Slashdot, reddit, etc. I'm not sure why that is exactly, I think it has something to do with our notability guidelines/deletionist attitude, and the perception of there being some kind of "admin cabal". JACOPLANE • 2008-03-31 20:56

I just read the New Republic article - Really interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Searchenginecbc (talk • contribs) 18:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Great job on the NPR interview. You're a great representative for the project. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:46, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Wasted Time R (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		To Wasted Time R, on the occasion of press coverage of your wiki work. Few have represented Wikipedia so well and at its highest level of excellence. As others have said, well done. Congratulations! -Susanlesch (talk) 00:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

		The Special Barnstar
		To Wasted Time R on a very special occasion, in recognition of outstanding contributions to Wikipedia. Susanlesch (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I was impressed by your efforts a while ago from music articles and was so happy to find the New Republic press coverage of your work on Hillary Clinton, just have to say so. Thanks very much and good luck to you and yours. -Susanlesch (talk) 00:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Hoping you will accept two, no kidding. Someone showed me once that money can't buy press so good. On reflection I really do think you earned at least two barnstars. Best wishes. -Susanlesch (talk) 02:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, maybe it isn't all wasted time after all! --HailFire (talk) 08:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, maybe not, maybe, who knows ;-) Wasted Time R (talk) 21:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

A pleasure sharing the airwaves with you... Tvoz |talk 17:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

And likewise! Wasted Time R (talk) 21:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I kinda like this quote from Slashdot: [Wasted Time R] has no official authority at Wikipedia and at the moment just acts as a self-appointed dictator that spends so much time on it that he manages to keep it "clean". I'd take that as a compliment. I think. Tvoz |talk 00:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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Thanks for the barnstar

Thanks for the barnstar. I think references should be as easily accessible as possible, so that's why I'm doing this work. Also some of the articles I've found on the way have been very interesting - for example I didn't know much about the Rockefeller family before correcting the NYT links. Graham87 11:29, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

BBC

hoo hah! Tvoz |talk 07:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap, dude. You need to get an agent and start charging for all these media appearances you're getting. Heh. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 16:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Eureka! I finally understand the meaning of the old punchline "No soap, radio" ... feeling nostalgic for those days of anonymity? Tvoz |talk 18:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It's certainly been unexpected, but my return to obscurity cannot be long delayed. As for SOAP, there are actually battles within the web services developer community that are just as heated over its merits as those over HRC and BO. And would you believe I'd never heard of the "no soap radio" thing, ever, until I just read it here? Hunh. Good object lesson for this work: There's always much more that you don't known than you do. Although thinking back, there was this group in high school that used an exaggerated "ray-deeee-oh" as a punchline and catchphrase for everything, for reasons I never understood; maybe it was some bastardized variant of this? Wasted Time R (talk) 20:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, could be - I remember the joke from ca. 1959-60 - we told it as two elephants in the bathtub, but otherwise the same as the polar bears. At the time we thought it was pretty hilarious. Tvoz |talk 23:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Clinton Campaign (health insurance story problem)

I replaced the story despite the information in this WaPo story. I do not think anyone doubted that HRC heard the story; the problem (and therefore the news) was that she used it without the campaign checking any sources. The blog, you cite, confirms that the young woman in question did have health insurance and that she was not turned away from any hospitals. It indicated that she chose not to go to the hospital that had previously required her to submit a $100 deposit because of a prior bad debt. She was treated at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital, which has asked HRC to stop retelling the story. 1msulax (talk) 18:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

32,394 edits . . . impressive! 1msulax (talk) 19:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind response. The section looks fine. Oh yeah, congrats on all the press coverage, you are indeed famous. 1msulax (talk) 04:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate the notice. I guess we're notorious now, Wasted! :) Bellwether ^B_C 02:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• BTW, I've pretty much stopped editing regularly at all, not just on political articles. There are several things going on that have got me down. Bellwether ^B_C 02:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for answering my questions regarding citations on the Hillary Clinton article. It is me i think (talk) 01:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

WTF

WTF why did you remove the truth: In 1983: McCain Voted Against Creating Martin Luther King Holiday. McCain voted against the Hall (D-IN) motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of the late civil rights leader the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. [Vote 289, HR 3706, Motion agreed to 89-77, D 249-13, 8/2/83; CQ 1983] THIS IS TOTALY TRUE. WHY DID YOU REMOVE IT. DON'T REMOVE STUFF THAT'S TRUE! I'm reporting you as vanalizing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.81.248.53 (talk) 04:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do. It was a copyvio. Wasted Time R (talk) 05:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

April 2008

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to Hillary Clinton. Thank you. Don't revert my edit again without a edit summary, its a true fact, and its notable. RkOrToN 14:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

For the record, this was the "true fact" I reverted out. Wasted Time R (talk) 23:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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Early life and military career of John McCain

Are you looking for FAC help with this? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Cool. I watch out for FAC on a daily basis, so I'll see it when it is listed. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Sen. thesis

Could you help me with where the link is? Which article? Controversies is gone. Dogru144 (talk) 09:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)