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Edgar Felix

I'd be impressed if someone wantted to steal my copyright, except I was stealing it myself, besides I don't really have a copyright unless it's registered, right? Anyway please don't let my artical get killed, I added permissions on my original web page. I'm a wikia-newbie, can't ya tell.

Dixie Chicks

concerning your rv of my edit in the dixie chicks article, I think you contracdicted your stated principles. I found, that this article had too many detail, and, at that, was too long, which is basically confusing for someone who is not familiar with the subject. other than that, I would fully subscribe to your principles. 15:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Fairuz / Presley

Fairuz looks very could she sell 35 mil in US ? If she in fact sold so much why does she have only $36.9 million ?

35 million is possible over a long enough stretch of time. And lots of successful musical artists end up broke; holding onto $36 million isn't bad.

as of Presley ...article is very does this RCA Records claim 500 milion official figure ? I couldn't understand ......Vorash 03:46, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

The article at [1] states that the Presley estate has claimed 600 million at times, and even 1000 million at other times. The simple fact for Presley is neither the record company nor anyone else really has accurate numbers. Wasted Time R 19:31, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

<from main page>



User: 23:22, 3 June 2005
User:FLOPS 23:47, 3 June 2005
(several more repetitions)


I read through the new version, and found that the rearrangement of material didn't do anything to clarify matters (though it made it difficult to see what, if anything, was new information) — in fact some of the changes (e.g., "that airs at 95.5 MHz FM" were more obscure). I suspect that, because you're familiar with the jargon concerned, you assumed that anyone else would understand it too. Try adding information to the article with an eye to how someone would cope who knows nothing about the topic. (I'd agree that it does need rewriting, though; what was there before was almost as obscure.) Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:32, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(Mind you, thinking it over, I was probably too hasty when I simply reverted it; I was in a hurry, but I still shouldn't have done that. Sorry. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:33, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC))

re: Pretenders

I didn't see anyone jumping in when the article was filled with gross factual errors. If you want to go through my garage (or yours) and look up the 'critics say' cites in old NME, Creem, and Musician magazines, be my guest. If you can find one that's inaccurate according to relevant sources, you win ten bucks via Paypal. Auto movil 04:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

See my reply on the Pretenders talk page. Auto movil 17:43, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

<from 23:23, 17 June 2005>

JOJO: Why did you take the page away i can't help but feel it was becase of wasted time r JoJo is gone it make sad that people such as wasted time go and check wiki's articles and deletes them or put copyright suff on them


Kudos on your work on music related articles. I also got a chuckle from your main page. Looks like some people are overly obsessed with Mariah Carey... Redwolf24 1 July 2005 22:19 (UTC)

Black Sabbath's in the top 10%? What does that mean, its one of the 60,000 articles viewed the most? Yes I've been working a lot on the songs, you should help too. I'm pretty much alone with working on them. I think I'll go create an article for their 1987 effort, The Eternal Idol but please help with the image as I'm not exactly sure how to do them. Redwolf24 1 July 2005 22:48 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Biggest-selling female musician Vorash 6 July 2005 19:14 (UTC)

Kelly Clarkson

When you move information out of the lead section, do not change the size of an image, thank you very much. Winnermario July 7, 2005 00:34 (UTC)

I owe you an apology. You did not reduce the image size. So sorry for the accusation. Winnermario July 7, 2005 00:35 (UTC)

Endless Summer

I just reinstated it with improved info. The wipe-out was an accident. PetSounds 01:31, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Hello old friend

Essjay nominated me for Admin. Vote me in (or not) Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Redwolf24 Redwolf24 01:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Graham Parker

Hi, I wrote most of the previous edits for Graham Parker (anonymously -- I just created an account). If you read GP's own comments on the song on his web site, I don't think he'd want "You Can't Be Too Strong" described as "anti-abortion." He says it doesn't come out with a position on the issue, just depicts a situation honestly. I agree... the song doesn't make an argument. Though I agree with you that it certainly depicts the situation in a negative way. Is there a way to rephrase? Thanks, cc

RE: Journey (band)

Sir, you removed what I had written about the beginnings of the band, saying: "This article also had a good deal of extraneous material". But this tells how the band came about, if it was not for Rolie, Schon, and Herbie Herbert coming together in Santana there would be NO Journey. Then you turn around and put in stuff about "American Idol" "Clay Aiken" and "Kelly Clarkson". Now the former leads directly to the formation of the band, the latter has nothing to do with "THE BAND", talk about "extraneous material". Which is more important? The formation of the band is a LARGE chunk of its history. Randy Jackson was just hired to play one tour, and that was it. The history of the band should NOT revolve around hired guns just to get through a tour. It should revolve around memebers of the band that were critical to its life, Rolie, Schon, Herbert, Cain, Tickner, Valory, Prince, Dunbar, Fleischman, Smith, and of course Perry. There were three major incarnations to the band becoming the group we know today, the first was the initial formation, then the addition of Dunbar and Fleischman, and lastly the addition of Perry and Cain that propelled them to the peak of their success. For the most part everyone else after that were just hired guns to get through either studio sessions or tours (except for Augeri, who was a permentant replacement for Perry, but Cain and Schon run the show). Herbert formed the band for SCHON, it was Schon's band from the beginning, and Journey is Schon and Cain's band today. If it were not for Schon, there would in all likelihood be no Perry, and no Journey. Perry had tried for 10-years to break through in L.A., he had given up and headed back home, and if not for the demo tape that he left behind, that would come across Herbert's desk and ears, he even says he would probably have become a lounge singer in Stockton, Fresno and Sacramento. Without the addition of Perry and Cain (who doesn't get the credit he deservers!) the band would most likely not have become a meteor that it became. These are the main parts that paved the way for all others to hitch their ride to this entity. Life-long, die-hard Journey (like me) respect the beginnings of the band, and the essential pieces that came five (or so) years later to take them to the next level. Rolie was a major cornerstone piece to get the band started. And if not for Herbert, who knows what direction Schon would have went. Jackson is a very good bassist, no doubt about it, but in the history of entire life of band, they could have just as easily hired someone else for that tour. So, when it comes to "extraneous material", where the band came from, how it got together, and how it added Perry and Cain are what really count. If not for Schon, Herbert, Rolie, Perry and Cain, there would not have been all that CASH to do anything else. WikiDon 18:36, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Steve Perry (musician)

The bio there was not in fact a copy-and-paste, I did write it. I believe it surpasses the current intro, and it does not contain misinformation. I'd appreciate if you'd let the edit stay as it were. Thank you. Loaded

ask for Erasure NPOV tag withdrawal

I've just replaced the inapropriate comparisons with more adapted ones and added the adjective "electronic" when needed. Hence, I suggest you put out the NPOV tag. Thank you


Gamaliel has threatend a revert war on Joe Scarborough. Check out 18:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Charlie Daniels

Heh. I'd just realized I'd forgotton to say why I put that article on clean-up. Went back to fix it, and found that you'd found the problem. Thanks.

Kell 05:42, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Richard Neer

First, I want to give an overdue thanks for expanding the Tony Bennett article. I haven't been editing much lately, so I haven't had time to check over what was going on. That said, since you have more knowledge than me over the history of WNEW-FM, I thought that you could expand this article, since a one-line discription of him that currently exists is on vfd. ErikNY 17:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Long John Daly

Nice additions to the John Daly article. I had started editing it earlier, but had to stop for a bit to take care of some other stuff. Imagine my surprise to find that someone else had come along after me and added a lot more info and polish. Well done. Extreme Unction 03:47, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Chicago singles...


Yeah, I was planning on going back to fix that in a bit. I just wanted to get it in (I had it on a Word file and pasted it). I'm currently working on the albums (most of them had no proper article). Up to Chicago X now. But I'll get to it soon.

Thanks for the feedback... BGC 21:24, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


The bolding of alternative names is done in the summary, that's true, but all these bolded collections of letters scattered through the article looked messay and unhelpful to me. I suppose that, if you feel very strongly about it I'd not revert if you changed them back. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 15:31, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

New York City Radio

Just wanted to say thanks for helping in cleaning up these articles. Sorry if I deleted any information that you ended up restoring, but that anon user is just too sloppy, detailed and predictable, and I edited the articles so they would read better. At last check, the only stations left to be fixed are WXRK (I call dibs from the period they became K-Rock onward), WQCD, WQHT's history section, and WWRL. In addition, I'm going to make some changes to the parts of WRKS that he made, and the user also created a page on the history of radio stations with the call letters WYNY. Thanks again. ErikNY 00:35, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

  • I have now set up a page on what he's done overall here, so if you have anything to report or say, bring it up here. ErikNY 16:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


You'd be correct if Singles were actually discography. Just take a look at Rascal Flatts' extensive collection of physical singles on AMG. Case closed. Xinger 11:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

  • No, it's not odd. Not every single is released on DISC, therefore singles don't belong under Discography. Xinger 12:49, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


You're a Rowanite too?  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 17:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

No, just there on a visit. Have always been curious to see where the '67 Glassboro Summit was held. Wasted Time R 00:35, 20 October 2005 (UTC)


Hi, Wasted Time.. are you a URI student? I'm one... I'm dorming there, too. Linuxbeak | Talk 00:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Nope, just visited there too. Wasted Time R 02:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Randy Jackson

I'm fine with how you edited it except is there a way that I could say "the bass player" instead of bass player for the band journey because they only had 1 bass player there for he would be "the" but I just wanted to run it by you first becuase I don't want you to get upset or think I"m starting an edit war. Patman2648 23:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm glad there are intelligent and friendly people like you who can are easily agreeable with and can make neccessary changes. Good luck in the future and have a great day! Patman2648 16:06, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

re: very amusing

Hey WTR, saw your comment on the Xinger page... just thought you may wanna check these pages out and add your thoughts, if it interests you:

Your notes crack me up. Keep up the good work. Later. -- eo 15:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Question about reverting edits

Hi, Wasted. How does one revert edits? A vandal on the HRC article has her wearing men's underwear. luketh 05:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


I am up for RFA and as someone who has worked with me on a controversial page, I think your opinion would be valued (support, oppose or neutral, it doesn't matter to me) by everyone involved, no matter what it might be. Thanks and I look forward to continuing to work with you.Gator (talk) 02:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

User:SpinyNorman and Hillary Rodham Clinton

I left a note on the user's talk page that you may be interested in. —BorgHunter (talk) 15:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Shania Twain

Thank you for restoring the lead image in the Shania Twain article, I hadn't noticed that I'd removed it. Once again, thank you muchly. —Hollow Wilerding . . . (talk) 20:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

75px|left Hi Wasted Time R/Archive 1. I, SoothingR would like to commend you on your edits pertaining to the article The Doggs. Edits like that give Wikipedia the christmas spirit which we need so much. Especially today.

Thanks for your peaceful and useful contributions, and I wish you a merry christmas - and ofcourse - a happy new year.

Best wishes, SoothingR(pour) 14:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

U2 Tours

Good job with the U2 Tours... I just wish some fans of other bands would devote as much attention to tour articles as you have. Cheers. --Madchester 19:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey “wasted time”. Yeah, some fine work there on the ZooTV article – it was my favourite U2 period (I think!). I’m even in the Sydney video. You will notice I went back and did some more editing since your last (see the article history for my specific reasoning). Some of your recent changes I kept, others I changed and others, sorry, I disagree with. But, hope we can keep up a collaborative and communicative approach in the best of wiki tradition. Two general comments: we should be careful about our style. I.e., this is meant to be an encyclopedia for factual information, rather than a fan-site for promotion of the band. We both obviously love U2 – it’s why we are both here on this page - but that can’t excuse us getting sloppy with our language. Second point is – I think it is best to not waste words. Try and get the point across with as little words as possible. This is Edge’s philosophy when writing songs – although he uses notes, not words. I.e., I Will Follow, and WOWY are very minimalist. Cheers – drop me a line any time. --Merbabu 23:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Recent edit spurts

There's lots that can be said of the recent few days edits on Zoo TV Tour - but no time! But this edit and supporting comment of yours I couldn't agree more with [2].

I am, however, concerned that the article still goes into too much detail in simply providing "blow-by-blow" descriptive coverage. But, i will not edit it down too much - for now. BUT, having mentioned the performances of each AB song in some to great detail, i thought it appropriate that each Zooropa song at least get listed [3].

Rather than detailed descriptions on every move in the concert, it would be nice to be a bit more analytical. But of course this can't be our own musings, but from WP:RSs

And is there anything we can do to reduce the amount of small sections? What about putting them into sub-sections? --Merbabu 03:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


I've edited a bit of your work this last week but I hope you noticed not all of it!! ie, very nice work from you here: [4], [5]. [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], Re your edit [12], i remember at the time (1993) U2 getting caned by parts of the press saying this was out of place. But, i can go along with the removal of the "inappropriate" bit until there is a reference (which i probably won't find anyway - lol!). --Merbabu 03:46, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


Sorry, i agree with your revert here: [13]. I intended to "fold up" the citation template, not the info box. Serves me right for editing at 2.30 in the morning. --Merbabu 15:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Rittenhouse photo

Thanks for adding your photo of Rittenhouse Square. It really captures the feel of the park in springtime. WashWest 16:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

bryan adams page


i work for BA's office and wanted to introduce myself as i noticed you have been active on the page. i enrolled into wikipedia to monitor the misinformation and add correct bio and statistical information. the bio that was posted is in no way infringing a copyright and we have spoken to dave marsh who is delighted to have it on the page. i have been thru this already with one of your editors JKELLY and we have written an email to permissions confirming the above. (please see my discussion page) i'm really trying to do my best here to follow the guidelines which are a part of Wikipedia! thanks for your time Michelle1

dave marsh / adams bio

hi i understand your point, but the current bio that exist there isn't a great read. a mixture of both defeats the purpose of having such a good article. putting it somewhere is a good idea, i don't know how to do that. i could try an edit but i just don't want to waste everyone's time. what do you suggest? Michelle1

Photo of 4X4 in Pahrump

Hi, I was wondering if you live in Pahrump? Do you have any pictures of the town itself? The top two photos in the article are fine, but it would be nice to see a picture of the town-I can't see it for the large picture of the truck. If I looked up Las Vegas and saw a picture of a truck when I was hoping to see the Strip, I would be extremely disappointed. Model Citizen 23:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with the copyvio issue on the Peggie Castle article!

I really appreciate your rewrite of the Peggie Castle article in response to the copyvio issue that it had. I have been working on articles related to the county in Virginia that Peggie Castle hails from; that's how I noticed the problem.

Again, thank you. --Takeel 16:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Classic Rock

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTAFraiseFruitPhoto.jpgFOR LET? 02:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Hyphen or no Hypen

You're right, it is inconsistant. In fact, it's the same for most of the ethnic categories. Italian-Americans has a hyphen in it, but Danish Americans and French Americans don't. Maybe some sort of mass nomination for renaming (I guess to include the hyphen in for every category that doesn't have it) is in order? Vulturell 18:29, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Sports Wiki Experimental Project

Hey Wasted Time R. A couple of friends customized the Mediawiki Engige (the engine that powers Wikipedia) adding to the wikipedia system blogs, ability to vote on articles, and sort articles based on how many people vote on them. We think its pretty cool. Since you seem to be a Wikipedia fanatic with an interest in sports. We were hoping that you could check out our site. If you are interested write me back on the talk page and I will provide you the url. Its a pretty cool project. Thanks! --Awrigh01 03:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC) (I too spent a lot of time making anonymous edits, hence the small # of contributions on my username).


I took a good look at my edits with that guy and still can;t see what I did that was so wrong. I trust you and repsect your opinions and edits. Please feel free to give me advice if I do something that's wrong. I honestly blown away by where this guy was coming from..what did I do to deserve that...Gator (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Alistair MacLean

Sorry didn't realise that was a work in progress, :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page) 18:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Il Divo

Minor Barnstar.png The Minor Barnstar
For making minor edits to improve the quality in the Il Divo article I award you this Barnstar Rosameliamartinez 09:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for work on Dixie Chicks

As a long-time fan, I want to thank you for your great work on the Dixie Chicks page! The recent pretty-much-rewrite you did is accurate, NPOV, and flows very well to boot. As the owner of one of the sites about the group, I really appreciate your efforts. --Robertb-dc 17:31, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

As the originator of the article, I'd also like to thank you for the work you have done. It reads so much better. Tiles 00:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
I did not mean to offend, it looked like someone other than the original poster had corrected Robertb-dc use of the male pronoun (which some use for unknown gender), based on the following response which indicated that the user in question was female. I simply thought I was correcting an odd correction, not alternate usage (which I would have left alone). I see from the history that is was Robertb-dc who made the change and will not change it again. —MJBurragetalk • 02:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for removing the newest copyvios on Peggie Castle!

I was in the process of doing it myself. I hit reload, and what do you know? Wasted Time R to the rescue! Thanks for helping to keep Wikipedia clear of Copyright violations! --Takeel 13:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Sinatra Tags!

Hey, as a great contributor to Franks pages, can you provide any input into the discussion on the talkpage concerning the introduction to the Frank Sinatra article? Gareth E Kegg 19:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

THanks for the cite

Thanks for the citations about Hillary Clinton being the Dem front-runner. I put a lot of value into eliminating bias caused by seemingly sensational claims, especially about political figures/issues, and cites help legitimize these claims, so even if it's just a few small cites, I actually really appreciated it. Thanks! Karwynn 18:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)



As a previous editor of the article Shania Twain, I'm asking for your help in it's nomination for an Aricle Improvement Drive. As you have probably noticed it needs quite a bit of work to be brought up to par with other artists' pages. All you have to do is simply vote for it to make it to the next round. If you would like to help you can vote here.

Thanks, Thankyoubaby 19:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Barclays Classic

Just to let you know, I redirected the page to Barclays Classic, in consistency with every other PGA Tour event article. Why should it be at Westchester Classic? :) – DakPowers (Talk) 03:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't even think about the history. Thanks for correcting my faux pas, happy editing! :) – DakPowers (Talk) 03:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the support re: Deadheads. mlt 21:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Cheers on the good work (even if you are just reinstating old material)! I hope we can all work together to make this better. As it stands, a lot of this is unverifiable, but we should be able to find the sources. If not, we will trim what needs to be out. Again, thanks so much! -- MOE.RON talk | done | doing 05:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Devils and Dust Tour

Hey, I just noticed that you have created a tour page on the Devils and Dust Tour during my recent changes patrol run. I understand that you are in the middle of creating the page, but I just wanted to remind you of what wikipedia isn't because there are a number of sentences that sound like commentary or original research, such as:

  • somber vein
  • On the Devils & Dust Tour, by contrast, he would not only play those two, but add piano, electric piano, pump organ, autoharp, ukulele, banjo, electric guitar, and stomping board, thus adding considerable variety to the solo sound.
  • The tone of the performance was set at the start
  • In any case, for the faithful these rarities and the frequent set list changes seemed to make up for any absent professionalism.
  • Unearthly renditions
  • a willingness to keep trying even through audible piano mistakes kept most of his loyal audiences happy.

... just to name a few. Anyway, I have the page on watch and will stop by and see how you come along by the time you are done. Cheers! -- MOE.RON talk | done | doing 03:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Minor Edits

Remember to mark your edits as minor only when they genuinely are (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). "The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'." Tuspm Talk | Contribs | E-Mail Me 02:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. However, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. Also, Remember to mark your edits as minor only when they genuinely are (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). "The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'." This helps editors see what are the "major" edits and also does not bloat your edit count (which means more editors/admins/ect. will notice you make nontrivial edits). -- MOE.RON talk | done | doing 20:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't know your politics

So I invite you to look at Talk:Rush Limbaugh where the Palm Beach Airport incident is in an editing dispute. patsw 02:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the reminder about not using italix with song titles. You are correct, and I appreciate it. Also, I removed some of the unsourced parts of the Glace Slick article since I doubt sources for those would be quick coming or finding. MiamiDolphins3 04:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Pink Floyd/Roger Waters articles

Hello, I really appreciate your edits, you look a very trustable and competent contributor. With regard to Roger Waters, do you think I may add the term composer to the description of his role? I think so, becouse he wrote most of Pink Floyd's music (and lyrics), and was the guy mostly involved with (long-)tracks' "structures" and experimental sounds, not mentioning that he has just recently (finally!) released a complete Opera. Also, I'm restoring the section regarding his last tour, but inside its own article, please can you check if it is ok? Furthermore, I'm trying to collect any info is available regarding Water's role as electronic musician in the band, I know that he's credited as tape-editor in most of albums and as synth-player in the DSOTM (possibly in some tours): I'd be grateful if you could help in this matter. --Doktor Who 02:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to intrude on your talk page; I think the term "composer" is appropriate for Waters, although he spent far more time composing lyrics than music (Gilmour, and, on The Wall, Ezrin had a lot to do with the music, but Ezrin agreed to dropping composition credits beforehand). He often worked on synths, but probably not much more than Gilmour or Wright; for instance, Gilmour has noted in interviews that Waters came up with the original riff on the VC3 for "On the Run", but Gilmour actually played it for the cut used on the album. It's fairly safe to say that Waters often composed music on synths, but often left it to Wright or Gilmour to play on the recordings.
I was mostly stopping by on Wasted Time R's page to deliver him some props for his wise renaming of the "Trivia" section on the Pink Floyd live performances page; there's been a recent tendency for some Wikipedia editors to consider something labelled "trivia" as "too trivial" for Wikipedia, while it's just the kind of thing (when backed up with sources) that makes Wikipedia a great resource for people interested in details about a given subject, IMO. - dharmabum 07:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
That's great, thank you Dharmabum for this info.--Doktor Who 08:01, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


Putting commas inside quotes is actually an AP stylebook practice. I'm not saying it's right, but it's what I'm used to and it's what I typically do for quote punctuation. However, I'm using MOS more, which is a publishing-based stylebook as opposed to a news-based stylebook, and I am getting out of the AP practice. Plus the punctuation outside of the quotes does look nicer unless the song calls for it (i.e. "In the Flesh?"). (NOTE: I accidentally posted this in your main page but I deleted it, so pardon any confusion if you noticed something odd about your page.)--Undertow87 02:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton

Hi there: an anonymous user has made a few subtle changes to the article on Hillary Rodham Clinton. I don't know enough to determine if they are vandalism or not. Would you care to check?--Anthony.bradbury 12:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Elton John

You removed this: "He is also one of the greatest gay icons of our time, along other musicians such as Madonna and Celine Dion." with the motivation "not cited and not appropriate for intro". Not cited? What would I cite? It's having to cite someplace stating that he's a musician! As for the "not appropriate for intro" part, I strongly disagree. It's a big part of his image, and he's not seen as a gay icon only to gays, but to people of all sexual orientations(I, for example, am not gay, yet I see him as both a musician and a gay icon). Perhaps it should not be in the first paragraph, but it needs to be somewhere in the intro. I'll put it back in for the time being. --LW 21:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Why Trivia Sections are Bad

clay70 here- i got your message and understand where u are coming from. I have been adding trivial matters to the main text for a while now. Took me a while to get the hang of this. [02:40, 25 July 2006 Clay70]

McCartney tour articles

Yes, I should stop procrastinating and get to those more famous tours. I did some of the more obscure ones first as I had found some info on them and I didn't want to forget it by waiting too long to write the articles. Now that I have been properly motivated, I expect I'll start work on new ones soon. Thanks. Danthemankhan 19:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

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All That You Can't Not Comprise On

Hi Wasted, lol @ our editing on ATYCLB. I see we intially had conflicting ideas, but we met in the middle and i think the result of collaboration is stronger than had either of us done it alone. (apart from my error when i cut all that detail when i mistook this for the main U2 article). Cheers and happy editing. Merbabu 23:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

My Hometown


Thanks for the additions to the "My Hometown" entry. I'm new at adding things to Wikipedia, and that was one of my first additions. Also, I'm not sure if this is how one is supposed to communicate, but here goes anyway.

Thanks again, JZRunner

Hillary Rodham Clinton

It would be easier if my browser didn't keep cutting the page every single save. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How does it look now? I think the two columns for references really helps. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


why don't you like my info on cover version on the Home (Dixie Chicks album) as you say that people don't like them i know loads of people who are like to know if a song is a cover version but don't care who play the harp or drum on album but you put them in there but take out my cover version edit when it doing no harm to you. Nez202 18:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)




Hillary Rodham Clinton controversies

While moving my information of Gun Control from Hillary Rodham Clinton controversies into Political views of Hillary Rodham Clinton may have appeared appropriate at the time, I hadn't included the Janet Reno and US Attorney's involvement as yet. Missouri was a battle ground for the Brady Bunch and with the influence peddling of Hillary that used Federal Funds to defeat Prop B.

Now that you've moved my foundation information, I have no where to add the controversy.

This information is still on my Sandbox page and you can add it at your leisure to return the section back to controversial context.

I'm still a novice to Wiki issues for citations and methods of operation.

GrumpyAC 16:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Get Back

Go back to your idiot music you crack head! [15:54, 22 September 2006 Esrbkiller ]

Your edit to Category:Phish tours

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Great American Songbook


Is it worth saving this from deletion? I created it, and think it's useful, even though it is quite unencyclopedic Gareth E Kegg 12:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding edit to Car dealership

Usually I'd just subst a vandal template in here, but you seem to have been here a long while. Why did you add the "dubious reputation" edit despite the fact that it's vandalism (and not NPOV)?SMC 09:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Believe tour pic

hi i strongly feel that my picture is better for top pic because it represnts cher live which is the whole ideo of the page while your pic is good but is not as representing. dont take as an insult. mostly all artist tour pages consist on havin a live pic in front Rsf7589 02:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Love Hurts Tour

hi are you interested in helping me build this page i got a LOT of info on this tour setlists pics but only thing i dont got is tour dates Rsf7589 05:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


Hi there. I noticed that you called putting commas within quotes when listing song titles obviously incorrect or something to that degree on your user page; however, it is actually correct, at least according to MLA guidelines. I quote from my manual:

By convention, commas and periods that directly follow quotations go inside the closing quotation marks, but a parenthetical reference should intervene between the quotation and the required punctuation. Thus, if a quotation ends with a period, the period appears after the reference. <skipping example here as it's not the relevant one> If a quotation ends with both single and double quotation marks, the comma or period precedes both. The example given for that: "Read 'Kubla Khan,'" he told me.

Now, I know this isn't exactly the same thing, but the comma still goes within the quoted portion of Kubla Khan. If the comma were not supposed to go within the quotes which demarcated a title, the example would look like this: "Read 'Kubla Khan'," he told me. However, that is not the way the MLA does. I don't know if someone else has addressed this, or if you actually care, but I thought I'd pass along the info. GassyGuy 13:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Political views of Hillary Rodham Clinton

Wasted Time, are you going to keep reverting my changes to the article Political views of Hillary Rodham Clinton? If so, I'm not going to spend any more time working on it. I'll discuss this on Talk:Political views of Hillary Rodham Clinton Nbauman 16:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Artist-specific categories

I tend to think the point of the categories is that they can collect the songs recorded by an artist, whereas the articles about those artists should be able to identify which songs by those artists are notable. For example, anyone who wants to know which songs were notably recorded by Rod Stewart should look at Rod Stewart discography, whereas Category:Rod Stewart songs can be used to collect any he recorded that have articles. Just my opinion, of course. GassyGuy 11:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Standing Outside the Fire?

Just out of curiosity, howcome there is a redirect to the "We Shall Be Free" article from a "Standing Outside the Fire" article? There is already an article for "Standing Outside The Fire" (the difference betwen the two is the capitilization of "the.") Please let me know!


Please dont decide death to trivia by ur self, it's cool if u want to boycott it, but dont vandal other peoples trivia took me time to formulate that trivia. Thank youChildishknack 13:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC) User:Wittj

I apologize about the talk page edit, i am new to wiki and still in the procces of learning cetain rules. As for the trivia, i just felt some major aspects of faith hill were missing, like her adoption which obiously is a topic. Be open to the idea of trivia....simple information like that may be what certain readers would like to know about. For the irrelavent pionts that dont nessacrily fit the Sub-topics like Faiths marriage proposal, i suggest a trivia sub topic. i wont put relavent piont in trivia. Thank youChildishknack 14:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Elton John

Hi, I've reprotected. Sorry for unprotecting; I was trying to AGF, but it doesn't always work. :-) I didn't put the tag on because I find the tags ugly on long-term sprotected BLPs, but if you want to add it, feel free. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 23:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


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West Side Story

Please don't remove tags which request sources without actually providing the source. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

PNC Bank Arts Center

I agree that there shouldn't be a list of artists that have played PNC. See my comments on the talk page. I think we should give it a week, and if there isn't further comment, we delete it. Thanks. Milchama 00:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Mono (UK band) article splits

So you've split away the album and the tour into their own articles; I'd actually thought I could get away with keeping it to a single article for such a narrow subject. (Somebody else split off Life in Mono (song) as well.) Actually, I'm not sure if I can find enough material to allow all these articles to stand on their own.

Another problem — I don't actually know what the tour was called, if anything. I just stuck in the string "Formica Blues tour" because people sometimes name tours after the album, but for all I know it's just "Mono's 1998 tour". I don't want to be responsible for creating more Wikipedia neologisms here. (no other Google hits...) Plus, I don't have anything else to say about the tour; I don't have reviews in print or even a free-licensed photo.

Is there any reason why these things wouldn't be better served being merged back into the main article? –Unint 03:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It turns out my fears were unfounded. Turns out there was more information I didn't find before — it's definitely a full-fledged article now. –Unint 07:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


Since you have the notice of major work on the Superstar (Carpenters song) page, I will refrain from editing and leave some notes here for you, in case you may find them useful.

1. The article probably needs to be moved. The general convention is, when disambiguation is needed, the original version of the song is used, so the article title should be something along the lines of Superstar (Delaney and Bonnie song).

2. You have a note about lyrical changes. There are some slight difference between the original and the Carpenters version. The one of note is this lyric from the original: "Loneliness / Is such a sad affair / And I can hardly wait / To sleep with you again." FYI, this change wasn't unique to the Carps version, but this lyric also isn't unique to the Delaney and Bonnie version. That is to say, the Bette Midler performance that inspired Richard C did not have the changed lyrics, but other pre-Carpenters versions (e.g., Cher's) use the "be with you" lyric.

3. I can't tell if you're trying to document all the pre-Carpenters versions, but, if so, you're missing Cher, who released her version as a single on Atco Records in 1970.

Good luck doing whatever with that article. GassyGuy 04:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Unnecessary Reference - Neil Diamond Page

I have no problem with your removal of my line about the source of the information about The Band's last concert being the movie made of this event, The Last Waltz. I'm new at editing, so I was just being overcautious regarding the verifiability of sources. RSLitman 01:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Hooligans - Hooligans_(The_Who_album) Page

Thanks for correcting that. I was wondering if you knew why the write-up on the Hooligans album at The_Who_discography. I don't see anything in the watch list explaining this removal. It's clearly a compilation album that would go in that section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mlsquad (talkcontribs) 15:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

Sunday Bloody Sunday (song): now a FAC

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Are you following me?

It's been two days now. This afternoon i tried to get some order into my song choices - so i did Zooropa. Hope it makes it easier for you. He he :) --Merbabu 12:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

yeah, sorry - i was a little taken aback when i first saw it - hence the modifications to the above. But i can see the funny side of it too. And, although sometimes i don't always agree with your edits, the project's certainly far better off with them than without! Yup - I am also a slave to my watchlist. :( --Merbabu 13:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
PS, as for the articles returning to a poor state, now that I've invested some time into them, I will be more motivated to rip out trivia sections and individual mentions of Pride's 985 performances! --Merbabu 13:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Biting newcomers

Hi. Saw your comment at Talk:Bob Seger and thought it might not be in keeping with Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers. I appreciate that the edits may not have been entirely to the benefit of the article, but maybe your description of the edits was a little harsh in some places. That said, take care and happy editing! Steve block Talk 12:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

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Don't Stop

Noticed you also work on the Rolling Stones' song pages. Do you it's worth starting a new page for the song "Don't Stop"? Stan weller 21:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm constantly wondering which songs deserve pages and which ones don't. I'll look into starting those two, especially "salt of the earth". Stan weller 08:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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itals vs quotes and HRC

Just wanted to say that I couldn't agree more with your point about song titles being in quotes and albums in itals - I spend some time working on music pages too (when I can't take editing Obama and Clinton) and that drives me crazy more than most things. Good luck with the quest.

About Hillary - I know you're trying to make the article neutral, and so am I - but I think in the effort to make this not a puff piece, which I don't want either, some of the edits are going over the line in the other direction. All I'm trying to do is write it straight - coming in with fresh eyes sometimes one can see things that long-time editors don't see, and that's really all I'm attempting here. Don't want to edit war - I think you've done a lot of good stuff in the article. But some of it, I think, was too far in an unfair direction. Tvoz | talk 04:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I alternate between music and politics - when I can't take one, I go to the other. Cat-Stevens-fighting (still not resolved) was good preparation for Obama. The fun onces are the Beatles' project - the best group of editors I've encountered here in terms of actually having senses of humor, which is sorely lacking in lots of other places.
Here's what I propose - I'll accept the Starr citation for now, although I honestly think saying "short of sexual intercourse" is gilding the lily - read the Lewinsky articles where no holds are barred, but at least that's where the details should be if anywhere. Again, this is an article about Hillary - the details of her husband's sexual life are only relevant in terms of how she defended him or was misled by him. Which leads me to this - I'm changing the following sentence because it now appears to be saying that she was lying when she talked about right-wing conspiracy, and I think unless you have a reliable source that says she -knew- he was having an affair and went on tv anyway to say he wasn't - we have to go with the story she presents in her book and elsewhere that he lied to her, as he also said. Ok? Tvoz | talk 05:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
About Cat Stevens - the debate has been on and off about how his name should be listed. I maintain that his notability completely comes from his days as Cat Stevens - the 60 million album sales, the worldwide fame - and that if that had not been the case, it is likely that Yusuf Islam would not even have a wikipedia page. I have no problem at all having half of the article or more talking about his life as Yusuf, but it's obvious to me that the article has to remain "Cat Stevens". At the moment that's not being argued, but there are a few people who insisted on the ridiculous first sentence (at least one of whom was nasty about it) that now appears and I've been trying to negotiate a compromise (see talk) that is more in keeping with wiki bios without much success. I've dropped out of it for a while hoping things would calm down - but there is an element over there who it seems to me would like to see the Cat Stevens part of the article totally minimized, which is ridiculous. I was beefing up the Cat half of the article and will get back to it soon, but it's still heavily weighted. Actually I also spent a lot of time adding material to the Yusuf side that I think brought it into some kind of balance - there was POV pushing from another side too - the people who want to talk at length about the Rushdie stuff and no-fly, etc, without any of the mitigating material - I added the Sept 11 section, his winning a libel suit against a couple of newspapers, and some of his later comments about Rushdie. Again, looking for balance. It is difficult when you have two sides trying to bend an article in one direction or another. Similar stuff on Barack Obama - the nasty vandals who change Obama to Osama whenever they can, and on the other hand the ones who think his "Muslim roots" are being shortchanged. And then there are the ones who only want to talk about drug use. POV pushing all over the place. I came to Hillary for a rest from it..... Tvoz | talk 05:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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salt of the earth

i forgot to ask if you caught the "salt of the earth" page. Check it if you haven't.

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Wild Night edit

I've been updating the Van Morrison article and noticed the Wild Night page had been edited by you recently. The page previously was used to promote a cover. I tried to change it to add Van Morrison's contributions to his song and also included the name of (John Mellencamp, but I don't think this should be the main subject) on Wild Night. I got the charting # from the VM article that has been there for a long time and never questioned. Do you think it's wrong? If so I'll try to research it. This is in reference to your addition .... In some country. I'm sincerely confused by this. Thanks, Agadant 15:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Wild Night Charting

The VM main article says US. I didn't have any contribution to this entry. Only used the information on the Wild Night page. Have I done something wrong? I'm new to this and don't always understand how it works. Thanks, Agadant 16:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Unforgettable Fire Tour

Um, what do you mean by "I should have known better"? Was it simply some sort of dummy spit? Anyway, i reverted your self revert. Ie, we lost some legit edits. Merbabu 13:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)