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I prefer to reply to comments on the page they were left, so if I left a comment on your page, reply there it is on my watch list. If you leave a comment here, watch this page until the discussion is done as I will only leave replies here. Comments which I find to be uncivil, full of vulgarities, an attempt flame baiting, or that are are excessively rude may be deleted without response. If I choose not to answer, that's my right, don't keep putting it back. I'll just delete and get annoyed at you.

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If you removed the Naruto media list article...

If you removed the list of Naruto media article, then how will we know what Opening themes and Closing Themes they've used, and in which episodes?
And how will we know the names of the soundtracks and OSTs, especially the singles for the Opening and Closing Themes?
~~LDEJRuff~~ (talk) 16:42, 18 May 2008(EDT)

Opening and ending themes are covered in the episode lists. We are not a CD listing/sales catalog. The soundtracks and OSTs are listed in the main article's soundtrack section. CD singles are not something we list as they are specific to the artist not the series. Collectonian (talk) 20:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thank you.

~~LDEJRuff~~ (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2008(EDT)

Original in boxes

Which policy is it? WhisperToMe (talk) 01:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Project consensus, our MoS, and multiple featured chapter/episode lists where the originals are used. Where possible, we use the first volume of the Japanese release of a manga series for the infobox first, the English second when no good versions of the original are available. Yes, we are the English Wikipedia, but that does not mean we completely ignore the original work at all, nor that we downplay it. As Viz used the original covers for their release, there is absolutely no need at all to have two versions, and in-deed it pushes the line of violating WP:NONFREE as there are no significant differences. We only do both covers in the case of something like Trinity Blood where the covers are dramatically differences, and even then, that's something for the chapter list, not the main. Collectonian (talk) 01:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am looking for the applicable section at the MOS for anime and manga page. It should be written there, if it is not already. If there is a discussion that indicates consensus, I would like to see it. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it was discussed recently. I think on the MoS talk page, but if not give me a minute and I'll find the link for you. I need to deal with the personal attacks from another editor first. Collectonian (talk) 02:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While you are looking for that, I will also bring up the issue at the non-free content to see how other editors feel about having two book covers with English-Japanese text differences and nothing else - I will use a diff as an example. EDIT: Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Is_it_fair_to_use_two_book_covers_of_the_same_comic_book_title.2C_with_one_for_the_Japanese_version_and_one_of_the_English_version.3F WhisperToMe (talk) 02:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty. Here is the discussion Template talk:Infobox animanga#Infobox image. Looks like we didn't touch specifically on Japanese versus English though. Turning to the Book and Novels projects, it is specifically noted that the first edition covers are preferred, which for manga would be the first volume of the first Japanese release. I agree this should probably be noted in the MoS to help make that clearer. Collectonian (talk) 03:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to enter here and bother Collectian and Whisper, but now that you say that we should use the first volume, in List of Rurouni Kenshin chapters the first one is being used. Do you think we should replace the one of Rurouni Kenshin with the first one? Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 20:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doh, didn't even realize the main was using the final volume. I think the final volume is acceptable too. General order of preference is first volume of Japanese release, last volume of Japanese release, first volume of English, last volume of English. We should probably be consistent between the two, though and use one or the other on both. I'm inclined to like Vol 28's because its the normal orientation and dimensions, but probably something to discuss on the talk page.

Cleanup task force

See here. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Response section in Iggy Arbuckle

You remember you said that the article needs a response section, right? Would how well the show sells help that? Because it is mentioned here: [1] The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 08:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, its having strong sales and its leading its timeslot among boy viewers in the UK are both bits from that article that would be good to add. :) Just to note, though, the section should be called "Reception" not "Response" ;-)Collectonian (talk) 13:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okey-dokey, thanks!!! The ''Gorgeous Girl''!!! (talk) 00:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cardcaptor Sakura

Why there is a POV tag at the top of the article? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 23:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Though its been cleaned up quite a bit, it still has some anti-Cardcaptors sentiment (including relegating Cardcaptors to another article to allow it to be a longer hate piece), unsourced complaints about the manga translations, etc. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Your request

See User:Collectonian/Abtract. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding User:Abtract

I think he just broke WP:3RR, though I'm unsure because the content of the page has changed throughout the edit war. Should we file a report or something? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Filing now. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Appears he is going after me. What to do about this guy? It's as if he likes harassing others (me in particular). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll refiled the RfC/User. I had it userified after seeing he was at it again. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

And filed: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abtract. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 20:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Just a small word of advice ... if you want support, shouldn't you be advising "sympathetic editors" of what you have started? I wouldn't want you to be ignominiously timed out again. :) Abtract (talk) 23:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm already doing notifications. In the interest of fairness, I've started first with the people you yourself noted as people who "tried to help." -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Well done, you took my advice and you picked two good ones who, I agree, actually tried to resolve the issue in a helpful way ... unlike you. :) Abtract (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite. I was already doing it when you left your message, as I'd already planned to do. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Our meerkat-altering friend...

...is at it again. Why isn't there a warn-4 for unsourced info, I wonder? Anyway, I've warned, but I'm off for a bit--I thought I'd pass the info along and let you AIV him if you'd like. What a pain. Gladys J Cortez 00:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess at warn 4 they figure just call it vandalism. I've requested page protection since they are jumping IPs all over the place. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

The templates you are looking for is {{subst:uw-unsourced1}} or {{subst:uw-error1}}. The full list is available here. There is a template for almost everything:). G.A.S 05:47, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

MFD Close

Hi, I did not nominate the page for being a bad proposed policy but instead for being a duplicate of WP:TOV. Please do not remove the nomination without discussion. Nakon 02:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That should still be discussed on the proposed policy's talk page. If consensus agrees, then it can be redirected/merged to TOV as necessary. The MfD instructions are very clear, though, that even if you feel it is a duplicate, nominating it for outright deletion is not appropriate. Please discuss on the page's talk page instead. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

On a side note

I've reverted your edit here as the subpage has now been created. Nakon 02:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No prob. :) I was going to watch to see if he created then add back afterwards. Looks like they just went in reverse. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Please do not remove Miscellany for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Miscellany for deletion pages, as you did with Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:School threats. Doing so won't stop the discussion from taking place. You are, however, welcome to comment about the proposed deletion on the appropriate page. Thank you. MBisanz ^talk 02:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I reclosed it as WP:MFD is not the place for that discussion. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 02:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"YYH" citation

I have to ask, why did you remove it [2]? Couldn't really find a more reliable source than that. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? I removed a few in there, including a lot of Geocities link (non-RS) and IMDB (non-RS)? -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

It was a reference to an American Shonen Jump magazine. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For it being abbreviated YYH? That didn't really seem necessary considering the series name. :) If it is, though, should be properly formatted as actual ref rather than note. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I do that? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use the {{cite journal}} template. :) -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

New article

Hi there! I'm considering creating a new article and am working on it in my userspace at the moment. It is to be based on Template:LA TV and the information given in the infoboxes at channels such as KCBS and KNBC. I've started in LA because it's where I live so it's a little easier for me. I've only done 2 so far but I'm not sure if all the information would be necessary (such as antenna height, strength and location perhaps). It's not formatted correctly yet when it comes to dates and alignment, so just ignore that. Do you think it's a subject worth tackling? If it is, I might consider doing all 210 media markets for a WP:FT! Thanks in advance, -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 06:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...the broadcaster side isn't my forte per say, but I think it could be an interesting list idea with potential for feature topic status. The main thing, of course, is the referencing for everything. You might also want to ask over in the TV project for ideas on what would be good to include or not include. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:58, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the FCC's pages will be an excellent start for referencing, especially for current information. They might also carry the details for previous call signs and affiliations, too, but if not I think it will be available elsewhere. Most stations also have their own website, too, which could be helpful. Good thinking re the Wikiproject. I'll do that tomorrow as I'm off to bed. Night! -- Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 07:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability Guideline

Collectonian: thanks for looking at my article on William Honnyng, and the addition of the Notability box. I am quite new to Wikipedia, so was not sure about this person's notability. As to third party references, I have listed many; the person was an MP in the English parliament... and has a biography published in the official History of Parliament, so I figured he was adequately 'notable'. Many other Tudor MPs have wiki articles. In Wikipedia:POLITICIAN#Politicians it includes 'members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislature'. Would a better link to the 2 published biographies be a welcome improvement?

But sure, as MPs go, he wasn't exactly Winston Churchill! So, grateful for advice before you zap my hard work off this wiki, or I waste time trying to improve it. When I wrote an earlier article on another person of similar (or even less) 'notability', another wiki editor thanked me for the contribution. Perhaps that encouraged me to contribute more to wikipedia; your feedback sends a contrary message. Honyng (talk) 21:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My tagging does not mean I will "zap if off this wiki." I tagged it for notability because the article isn't clearly expressed. Yes, he was an MP, but did he do anything significant? In looking closer, I see he was arrested and possibly had some controversy during his term? Also, I was unable to confirm the existence of the stated sources and it seems like people disagree on how to spell his last name? Some of these needs to be made clear. I think he likely is notable, the article just needs to be tweaked to note this. You seem to have an interest in biographies, so you might consider joining the Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography and checking out their page for tips on how to tweak the article. I've gone ahead and put the article in the project for you. I'll also remove the notability tag and replace it with a clean up one to better indicate its needs.-- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 22:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

History

You arranged to have a copy of the previous failed RfC but I cannot locate my commenst on the current version ... if you have some means of making this available to me will you do so please. I want to avoid recreating my comments. Thanks. Abtract (talk) 22:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They should be in the copy at [3]. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 22:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks you're a gent ... well you know what I mean. :) Abtract (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know about the pending action. I've endorsed it as well, and am quite surprised that this fellow hasn't quite figured out how to play well with others. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 23:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User rights

I've changed your user rights to rollbacker since you're a trusted user :). Seraphim♥Whipp 22:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :) -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 22:38, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Motivation

I'm intrigued; what is your motivation for your second attack on me? I am genuinely interested. And, out of 100, how do you rate your chances of achieving a block? Abtract (talk) 23:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't consider it an attack. It is an unfortunately necessary corrective measure because other dispute resolution attempts and attempts by multiple editors to help you not engage in such behavior have failed. My overall goal is not a block, but you to change your behavior and to see an end to the edit warring and to the outright nastiness between you and Sesshomaru. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you talked to Sess about his attitude or have you simply taken sides? Abtract (talk) 23:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you should be aware, I have warned Sess about edit warring with you. I have not warned about his attitude as I have not seen any signs that his attitude is unwarranted. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have any guilt feeling about the bitch episode? Abtract (talk) 23:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, I do not feel any guilt about it at all, as I still feel it was appropriate considering your other actions. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

In what way was it appropriate? Considering I made a perfectly reasonable edit summary which you clearly misunderstood and went on and on and on ... and indeed on, Why did you do it? Abtract (talk) 23:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, I prefer to simply not have any contact or discussion with you. The thinly veiled insults and snarkiness are annoying. The RfC has been endorsed, so I'll let it run its course. In the meantime, I strongly suggest you avoid running around behind myself (or Sesshomaru) undoing our edits as it gives you the appearance of being the stalker you accused him of being. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:55, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I am reliably informed, by no less than Sess (and others), that it is perfectly Ok to watch users contributions and follow behind them to correct their mistakes ... (s)he does it all the time and, since you have taken his/her side, I guess you are happy with it too (note spelling). Abtract (talk) 00:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An RfC has already been filed against you, so you continue edit warring and basically admit to wikistalking? That will not help your case at all.-- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Being bold at WP Policy and Process pages

Hi, I noticed that you reverted and chastised an editor for making an undiscussed change at a policy page. I have no problem with your action. I've been working for a while on the Consensus policy page and have suggested hat it is a good practice to talk first on delicate articles and process pages. This practice is discouraged by the consensus of editors active at the consensus page. What are your thoughts? --Kevin Murray (talk) 23:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflictx3:P) I agree. I don't think changes should be done to policy changes, or heavily used guidelines, without some discussion and consensus. Making changes that aren't just minor fixes (grammar, spelling, etc) often leads to confusion and to people using such changes as a reason to declare the policy or guideline is in dispute and should be ignored. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

You may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Governance reform. Look at my description of Death by a thousand cuts, which another editor today called Goldfish editing, where a little fish constantly nibbles at the issue. --Kevin Murray (talk) 23:53, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is a very interesting guideline, and I have to agree with many of the points brought up. While the consensus model works well for articles, it tends to become a mess with policies and guidelines because some folks will always disagree and refuse to yield, even in the face of a vocal majority. I've seen it become a total nightmare in places like WP:FICT and WP:EPISODE, to the point I had to take them off my watchlist to lower my wiki-stress. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Note

You have broken the three-revert rule on Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Despite the edit summary, this is not simple vandalism and 3RR applies. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, normally I would agree, but Abtract's reverts were in a way defacto vandalism. He was reverting solely out out of retaliation and to deliberately trying to goad me into a 3RR violation due to this RfC/U I filed against him a short while ago. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

If you believed his edits were a form of harassment, you should have walked away. Responding to perceived retaliation by violating policy is a Bad, Bad Idea. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True, and I know you are right, but it would be nice if there were other ways of dealing with harassment besides walking away and ignoring such horrible behavior. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm with AnmaFinotera. The user in question was reverting solely for disruption, likely stalking because of yesterday's event and the RfC. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would have preferred too if you had walked away :-) --Matilda ^talk 01:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I shouldn't have let him goad me so easily. I do thank you, though, for looking at the whole situation :) I was hoping he might actually change his behavior, particularly with the RfC against him endorsed by one of his supporters, but instead, he seems to have chosen to act like this. :(-- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Abtract/sandbox-2

Were you aware of this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I saw it. I considered mentioning it in the RfC/U as an attack piece, but with the stuff at the bottom he will probably say he was just taking notes for an RfC against you. Might still be worth noting, though. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 03:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure looks like an attack. What bothers me most is that he accuses me of "stalking" while being the "stalker". I know I'm not violating any policy, am I? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I've seen, no. You sometimes let him goad you into being a little less civil than we're supposed to, but its understandable and (as we see above), he's good at doing it. His actions of late are becoming almost disturbing, particularly his seeming to take to randomly stalking both of our watch lists so he can do retaliation edits. I think it might be good, particularly in light of his activities today, to go ahead and mention that page in the RfC. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 03:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Go for it ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

User:Abtract RfC

Thanks for your advice on my talkpage; I have certified my resolution attempts. I may include some comments if I feel there is a need, but have watchlisted the page in any case. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. :) -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 14:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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 :No problem. :) -- [[::User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; font-size: 12pt; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 14:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Geocities ==
-Exactly what policy does a site published by Geocities violate?  The article is well and professionally written as well as nicely-presented.  What's unreliable about it?  The fact that it was published on Geocities?  Plenty of good articles are published on Tripod.com or Hispavista.es and they're acceptable?  Why, because the user can invest on a domain name?  Because that's the only difference. [[User:Taran Wanderer|T.W.]] ([[User talk:Taran Wanderer|talk]]) 14:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-:For policy, [[WP:V]]. It is a self-published source, and does not meet the requirements set out by [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]]. -- [[::User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; font-size: 12pt; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 14:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-::The information gathered in that article is supported by the Internet Movie Database, which is a more than reliable source for subject of Awards and Nominations, the information gathered from that article is also supported by the [[Spanish Wikipedia]], not to mention the simple fact that the series ''was'' given the [[TP de Oro]] in 1993.  I think articles should be created individually, articles linked here should link to a proper website on the subject and say, "go here, screw Wiki-policies."  For the record, you haven't made comments to all I aported yesterday to the discussion regarding your deletion nominations.  Still have doubts whether the author and the books are notable or not? [[User:Taran Wanderer|T.W.]] ([[User talk:Taran Wanderer|talk]]) 14:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::(edit conflict) IMDB is not considered a reliable source either, just so you know. It is user edited and has repeatedly been struck down for not meeting the guidelines in the RS noticeboard. You can say that articles should be created individually and you can just link to whatever, but the truth is, that isn't how it works. If you want that, honestly, you might be happier making your own website, or working in a wikia or a private wiki that doesn't mind that. Here, we have guidelines, we have policies, and editors are expected to follow them if they wish to be good contributers to the site. [[WP:V]] is one of our core policies and not something you can, or should want to, just brush aside to allow anyone to put whatever they wanted.
-:::And yes, I know I haven't made any comments regarding the huge glut of stuff you added to one of the AfDs. I'm not going to bother. And yes, I still doubt the books are notable. The author's notability isn't the subject of the AfD, so that doesn't matter. Its the individual books. I think they'd be fine as a collective series article, but I do not think they have any notability one by one and nothing you added really proved otherwise. -- [[::User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; font-size: 12pt; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 14:55, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::The bust proves that Elena Fortún is a notable author; the "Celia" books are her most popular and read works; A series was produced in 1992 not for the heck of it, but to add to the popularity of the books which was sadly decreasing at that time; The premiere of the series was a big event because it reflected important icons of literature, not to mention that it featured the collaborations of two important and respected figures, José Luis Borau and Carmen Martín Gaite; Cristina Cruz Mínguez was chosen to play the title role in this big-budget, landmark project.  There, it all connects to something else.  Where's the notability [[Anne of the Island|here]]?  Introduction, plot summary, list and external links.  I guess you have further deletion nominations to make.  Oh, and I have made plenty of websites which are currently supporting information in many articles throughout Wikipedia, but I won't tell you what they are because I don't have the time to deal with further angonizing from your part, no offense. [[User:Taran Wanderer|T.W.]] ([[User talk:Taran Wanderer|talk]]) 15:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::::I'm not antagonizing. If you want to feel that way and play the victim, that's your personal problem, not mine. You're the one who went all ape crazy instead of acting like an adult and calmly discussing the issues. Not that I'd expect less considering you aren't actually an adult, but it would be nice if you'd act more mature if you are going to edit here. I'm just doing my part to ensure non-notable topics are covered. Also, making the claim that other stuff exists, is not a valid argument in any deletion debate or other discussion. *shrug* If you have made websites being used, I'm sure they'll be found and removed if they are not reliable sources in time. They always are, and self-promotion is heavily frowned upon. -- [[::User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; font-size: 12pt; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 15:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-: I don't simply throw stuff and publish it on a website, alright?  I've put time, research and effort on those sites and no, they will not be found and removed because there'd be no reason to.  The purpose of me pointing out that article is to see whether that particular article satisfies your "notability" beliefs.  I don't see any difference from that article to the ones you've nominated for deletion, so I half-expect you to either reconsider your criteria or make further nominations, else we have a case of bias which could possibly be stretched into serious [[nationalism|nationalistic]] beliefs and once again, put your criteria at risk.  You're the one talking about "abuse", not to mention the ridiculous claim of ''"harrassment"'', when you're the one following me around in every article I create or contribute in.  Also, I'm 18, closer now to 19, that makes me an official adult, and in terms of maturity, I don't disappoint either friends or family, thank you. [[User:Taran Wanderer|T.W.]] ([[User talk:Taran Wanderer|talk]]) 15:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-::It doesn't matter if you put time, research, etc into the sites. You aren't a scholar and your self-published research is not a reliable source. IAs fro the article, it needs work but it does show that is has been the topic of scholarly discussion, meeting notability fine. And no, we don't have a case of bias, just a case of you determined to whine and pitch a fit. I don't follow you around, you are the one who put a template in the Celia Television article alerting any who see it to your creating the other articles. And, when people act like you act, all of their contributions come under scrutiny. And no, you aren't an adult. But whatever. I doubt you went around telling your family how you called a perfect stranger such an ugly name just because you felt like throwing a tantrum instead of actually fixing the articles (which I notice you STILL haven't done). -- [[::User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; font-size: 12pt; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 15:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-:That is simply too funny.  My dear, a person in this and many other nations around the world are officially declared adults when they become 18 years of age.  This important event happened to me on June 25th of last year.  As it is expected, you likely have your own federal laws, policies and regulations as well.  There's no difference between the articles, you're just intimidated at the challenging of an article that is likely more widely read than the ones currently on question.  I did not call you an ugly name, I called Paris Hilton and ugly name, with likely enough back up to support the claim, but that is another story.  I linked the ugly name to your profile, which is very different, and since you requested its absolute removal, you may not even be able to prove that the hurtful, catastrophic event ever occurred.  Your friend seems to disagree about the notability of the articles and finds the offered sources and support to be valid and valuable.  So far, it's only you, as usual, who has a problem with them. [[User:Taran Wanderer|T.W.]] ([[User talk:Taran Wanderer|talk]]) 15:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-::Nice try, but you weren't blocked because you didn't call me a name (and its still in the history, so yes, I can prove it). As for the rest, grow up and move on all ready. -- [[::User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; font-size: 12pt; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 15:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
-:Oh, I wasn't excusing myself, don't worry.  I don't care enough to "try".  So much for "not following me around," you missed about a hundred other articles, see if you can spot them all before time runs out. [[User:Taran Wanderer|T.W.]] ([[User talk:Taran Wanderer|talk]]) 15:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)