User talk:Xeno

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Adoptee subpage update notification section

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• ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 18:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
• Prom3th3an (talk) 03:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Re AIV

Yes, this editor's only edits today are those two to a talk page. The AIV was concerning the edit late last night, as indicated. (Incidentally, couldn't we at least get you a less crappy t-shirt or a nicer mop?) - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:53, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

thanks

for the help.I posted it at th village pump, but idk how well it'll work...Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 17:18, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

oops...sorry.Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 17:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Ummmm....I'm not sure what the link you gave me yesterday was supposed to tell me.Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 15:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Oops - my reply here.

Cooly and thanks for putting it on my page for me. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob696 (talk • contribs) 15:33, June 13, 2008 (UTC)

Dashboard

For your dashboard, it looks like other people are starting to copy it to their own userspace. Would you like to make the page transcludable (that's a mouthful) so others can just transclude it to a page of their choice? Or perhaps the page can be modulized so people can pick-and-choose what they want to appear on their own version of the dashboard. Gary King (talk) 19:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

It should already be transcludemable. Modularization sounds fun. xenocidic (talk) 19:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Also replied here.

Only Keeper is using it for now. There are others who linked to the dashboard for when they need it. Gary King (talk) 15:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Stopping by to note that I've been making quite a lot of use of it from my link point. :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Glad that it's useful to people. =) Let me know if you can think of any ways to improve or enhance it. xenocidic (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Reply

(Re [1]) No, I haven't], but now that I just did, I see it as a very reasonable explanation for what occurred. Enigma ^message 00:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

My RFB

Thank you for your comments in my RFB. Since it was only at 64%, it was a shoo-in to be unsuccessful, so I withdrew. I didn't want it to run until its scheduled close time because my intent in standing for RFB was to help the bureaucrats with their workload, not give them one more RfX to close. Through the course of my RFB, I received some very valuable feedback, some of it was contradictary, but other points were well agreed upon. I have ceased my admin coaching for now to give me time to revamp my method. I don't want to give up coaching completely, but I'm going to find a different angle from which to approach it. As for my RFA Standards, I am going to do some deep intraspection. I wrote those standards six months ago and I will slowly retool them. This will take some time for me to really dig down and express what I want in an admin candidate. If, after some serious time of deep thought, I don't find anything to change in them, I'll leave them the way they are. I'm not going to change them just because of some community disagreement as to what they should be. Will I stand for RFB again in the future? I don't know. Perhaps some time down the road, when my tenure as an administrator is greater than one year, if there is a pressing need for more active bureaucrats, maybe. If there no pressing need, then maybe not. Useight (talk) 03:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thankyou

Thankyou for your help thing you set up on my page if i need help i will contact you Thanks. (Icantstayaway (talk) 08:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)).

hi xenocidic, i apologise for the rather abusive and somewhat insulting behaviour. i didn't originally create the page 'Callum Stroud' but i know who did and they told me to look at it. i came on to look at and to my slight annoyment, it had been deleted. As i did not know the content of this page, i don't know how oit violated the rules of Wikipedia. i was annoyed at not being able to read what my friend had put about me and thought i would leave a message to show my annoyment. i realise that it was immature and irresponsible.please do not block me. i will now delete the page and ensure it doesn't happen again. many thanks, Stroudi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stroudi (talk • contribs) 16:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

User:Otto4711

darn you beat me to him....Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 16:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

{{User:Jacob696/UBX/MONK}}

What did I do wrong....it looks ugly....Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 16:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.

AHA...thanks....Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 17:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you know the HEX code for blue?The kind of blue that I have on the monk ubx?Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me

My reply here.

Cooly....thanksMr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me

Raymond Griffiths

Hello is this where you wanted me to let you know that I have finished (roughly) my piece on Raymond Griffiths? Ellerdch (talk) 18:02, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

How much do you know about world history?

I need to know where a bomb from Japan landed in in America.It did not explode for a couple years after it landed.I think it may have been in Hawaii but I'm not sure.Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 18:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Dance Dance Revolution (Game Boy versions)

(Re [2]) There doesn't appear to have been a consensus, just a few changes made by Link as he promoted his position on the subject. The title "hand held versions" is too vague, as there's plans for a "Cell phone versions" article as well (which would also fall under hand held games). And merging those two articles would make it too large. Game Boy versions is the best fit in this case and I have to take any proposal from Link to the Past with a grain of salt as I've encountered him many times making over zealous changes that few or no one agrees with. In the end it's still a case by case idea, I believe that sorting by system instead of type is better given the amount of broad-based DDR articles there are and will be. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 18:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thank you much. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 18:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Dashboard idea

Is there a way to get the "immediate requests" box to update when there are current requests for rollback? I think the requests get filled relatively quickly, so maybe unnecessary/moot as most admins that grant userrrights watchlist the RFR page. Just a thought though, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll take a look when I get home. Heading out the door this second =). xenocidic (talk) 19:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Inexcusable! Fix it now!!! Actually, I think it wouldn't work, because there isn't a CAT to link to "current requests". But I'm a techno-n00b, so I could be really just talking gibberish...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hows this - when there are unanswered requests for rollback, a section will appear in the table of contents "Rollback requests". If there are no requests, there will be no such section. Good enough? Will work as long as someone doesn't futz up the Rollback requests page. xenocidic (talk) 21:47, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Excellent! Fix mine too! For your convenience.... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, keeper, too busy socializing on your talk to realize I did this 25 minutes ago... ;p xenocidic (talk) 22:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

You've done well, grasshopper. You've done well. I bow at your feet, o technologically gifted one. Like I said though, rollback requests are usually granted within minutes of request at RFR, so I probably won't need the extra feature, but I'm glad it's there anyway. Cheers, have a great weekend, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Heh, no problem, you too. As long as the WP:RFR page doesn't get futz with, it should work well. I gave you credit for the idea in the documentation of the dashboard. xenocidic (talk) 01:54, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Comments.js

(Re [3]) Sorry - I just had it restored with {{db-author}} still on it. I have the text copied now, so yes, feel free to delete it. Thanks, « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 23:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Ta

Thanks for the defence of my CSD patrolling on my talk page Fritzpoll (talk) 23:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. I know how it is to be questioned for "new admin cautionism" ;p xenocidic (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Dashboard?

Hi Xeno, I've seen on Tan and Keeper's page something about an admin dashboard. If it's not complicated, can you show me how to use it? It sounds useful. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 02:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Certainly! The dashboard is at User:Xenocidic/dashboard. You can copy the code, or preferably, just transclude it somewhere in your userspace. Or you could even just use it right from my page, but then you wouldn't get added to the user's list =). Dashboard documentation and feature requests are on the talk page here: User talk:Xenocidic/dashboard. happy admniming, xenocidic (talk) 02:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll look into it. It seems easy enough to use. I'll let you know if I have any questions _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 02:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll vouch for it. The "dashboard" is a beautiful thing, insanely useful, for which Xeno, if he invented it, (I'm pretty sure he did), should get accoloages, barnstars, and flowers sent to his home. I love my dashboard, seen here...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, his dashboard is slightly modified because he likes to delete pages more than whack vandals. ;p ( i keed ) xenocidic (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm confusled. Not hard. I'm not code-inclined. I made it here and then I got your header so I changed it to my name and got a red link. Otherwise, I like how handy the links are. It beats loading pages just to see if there is anything new. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 02:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Aye, you don't need that header line unless you have a header that you put on all your pages as I do (and keeper robbed from me, but that's ok, because I robbed it from someone else). xenocidic (talk) 02:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Got it, thanks! Off to play. Know where to find you if I have any other questions. It looks like a great tool, thanks for creating it. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 02:28, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem! If I make any enhancements, I'll integrate them into your dash. Let me know if you would like anything added. xenocidic (talk) 02:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

The Training Wiki

Hey Xenocidic,

Are you interested in helping me Founder a "Trainig Wiki" for adoptees (and adopters), admin coaching/ers to be able to try out various things (including admin tools) in an enviroment that is based entirely on Wikipedia (with appropriate Attribution).

This wiki will also be used for testing media wiki extentions that could be implemented in all the wikimedia foundation projects, but thats up to thwem we can only provide feedback on the extention page..

You may say "this idea has already been done", well you could not be more from the truthe. Ive seen the most common wiki that attempt's to give users experiance with the tools, but this wiki is noway similar to wikipedia (i mean they're not even running the same version or templates etc to try)

Have a think about it and get back to me   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 10:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't really have time to work on another wiki, I'm also not sure how much benefit there is in giving users admin tools in a clinical environment like a test wiki. Really and truly, the tools themselves are not that difficult to use, it's in the application of said tools to real-world situations that requires experience. xenocidic (talk) 14:02, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Not a barnstar

(Re [4]) Thanks! The code was so straightforward that this has inspired me to consider embarking on tweaking other things in scripts to my liking. (It sounds like you had a similar experience with your modification) Never done JavaScript before, but it just looks like a pretty basic C++-style language with duck-typing.

Kinda funny that there was >5k of hand-wringing over that issue, and it literally was like a single line of code to change the script so that Kelly wouldn't have that problem in the future. ha ha ha... --Jaysweet (talk) 14:27, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

How's it hangin'?

Hi, just thought I'd say a little hello – and congratulate you on your adminship! Hope you guys have been taking good care of the GTA IV article, it would appear that I haven't even taken the time to buy and play it yet! And since that one was actually the only article I was editing on a regular basis, I'm almost on a wikibreak now, only editing when I spot something a do better in less than 30 seconds, heh. nut how's it hangin' for you, got plenty of work to do as an administrator, huh? — Emil K. ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Congratulation

I saw that you were named an administrator even though I have only dealt with you a little. Congratulations. Chris (talk) 18:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Chris! Let me know if I can be of any assistance. xenocidic (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Anytime. Chris (talk) 15:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Ewi30 Blocking

Thank you for blocking the user I stopped from further vandalizization. Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 02:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. He obviously wasn't here to contribute constructively. xenocidic (talk) 02:48, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed (Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 04:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC))

RE: Request for adminship

Thank you for taking care of my request on the request page. I am sorry, but I have not ever tried to recieve adminship. I hope I get in, but it's not crucial. I'll just stay an experienced user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedarvale1965-08 (talk • contribs) 03:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

It looks like your RFA has already been closed, but no problem. xenocidic (talk) 03:30, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Pablo Picasso

Thank you for your assistance with Talk:Pablo Picasso Dbiel ^(Talk) 03:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Is using "move" to create an article talk page archive considered acceptable? If not, could you post a notice stating so at User talk:Koavf as this is his primary method of creating archives and he was the one who created the problem that you helped fix. Thank you again Dbiel ^(Talk) 03:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done.

My "oppose"

Thanks for notifying me! Which status thingy are you using? I have been using the manual one but I am getting rather fed up with it! --Cameron (T|C) 14:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Oh yes I see now. I think I shall switch sometime soon. = ) Thanks, --Cameron (T|C) 14:12, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes

Since you just became a admin you proboly don't have as much time anymore.I was wondering if you would like me to take your userbox requests off your hands. I'm pretty sure I could handle any requests.Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 18:28, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I haven't had a request in a while, but if I do, and I can't handle it, I'll certainly send them your way. xenocidic (talk) 18:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Read and Understood

(Re [5]) KK. I'll put in a request now. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign 18:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Ye, not sure if it'll work due to the SUL which I just remembered, but couldn't hurt to try. P.S. I'll have a new report ready tonight (EST), but probably not in time for today's broadcast, if you're making one today. xenocidic (talk) 18:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I've put in a request for a steward. There should really be a new tool. Anyway, I need to take my dog out still: Image:BlackLab.jpg. I'll try to put a short one out today and get your contribution on tomorrows. I can't say for definite if there will be one tonight. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign 18:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Archiving

(Re [6]) Why? On my talk, you made the claim "Cutting and pasting is typically preferable to page-move archiving." Where did you get this information? WP:ARCHIVE gives the pros and cons of both, and I personally prefer page moving. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Not really It is not clear that there is a consensus for copy-and-paste moving for two reasons: 1.) three out of 5 million members does not consensus make and 2.) if anyone was pleased with the move-archive method, he wouldn't complain on my talk in the first place. I prefer move archiving to copy-and-paste; I realize other editors disagree and that is fine with me as well. But it remains to be seen that one is necessarily better than the other and as you point out, there is not a policy obliging one method. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here. (conversation continues at Koavf's talk page, and also at WP:VPP)

Hi

Just saying hello. How are you?  :) --UberVash (talk) 21:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I am well, thank you! xenocidic (talk) 21:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Our Adoptee

Seems to be editing less and less. Have you talked to him lately? Dusti^SPEAK!! 00:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

See my talk. Dusti^SPEAK!! 15:50, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

My status script

I need some help on it, mainly getting the automatted process working again, but also changing this to how yours is with the dot. It right now takes up too much room and is sometimes hard to read.— Dædαlus^T@lk / _Improve^Contribs 02:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Nicolaus Copernicus

Thanks for your assistance and reverting the archive Talk:Nicolaus Copernicus/Archive 6created using move and moving it back to Talk:Nicolaus Copernicus Dbiel ^(Talk) 13:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yea, no problem. He sure did this to a lot of pages, I've been at it all morning. xenocidic (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for doing the same for Talk:Charles Darwin, wasn't feeling confident enough to tackle it myself. Much appreciated. . . dave souza, talk 17:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for all your work, expecially for starting the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Proposal to discourage pagemove archiving Dbiel ^(Talk) 19:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Auto archiving

Hmm, good to know that the bot can still handle the threads. Perhaps I'll give it a try one of these days. Useight (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I'll let you know if it works as advertised. xenocidic (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like MiszaBot III is coming through under pressure. Useight (talk) 16:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Anny....I don't know what to do with this article.Shouldn't it be a disambiguation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacob696 (talk • contribs) 4:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It kindof already is somewhat like a disambig. I would just leave it alone. Maybe tag it with Category:Disambiguation. If you're asking if it should be moved to Anny (disambiguation) then, no, because there's no article that wants to be at Anny. xenocidic (talk) 16:08, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay I added it to the Category:Disambiguation. Thanks. Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 16:15, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you know the HEX code for light green?

Also, do you know what I did wrong for my comitted idedtity template? Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 18:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.

Nine days

Did I miss something? That IP you just blocked hadn't edited in nine days, and I had tagged as such... Tan | 39 17:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Nope, you were quite right. I didn't notice the dates, and when I saw the extreme language used, I went right to the blocking form. I've already unblocked. xenocidic (talk) 17:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Word - Tan | 39 17:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikigoon

Awww....you removed the WikiGoon...he's a newly discovered fauna of Wikipedia, shouldn't he be listed too? (Don't worry - I didn't put him back in, nor will I :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by KoshVorlon (talk • contribs) 18:41, June 17, 2008 (UTC)

I moved it to the Extended Fauna list, where new discoveries belong (See Template talk:Wikipedia fauna). But if you were to kick some earnings upstairs, we could talk ;p xenocidic (talk) 18:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Dashboard - Thanks (suppression)

Hi there! Just a quick thanks for suppressing the admin section for me (I was unaware this option was available, though I admit I did not look. I've been keeping an eye on your talk page for a while now (can't remember why), but you seem like a good bloke -- Keep up the good work. — Relyimah ^(t-c-e) 20:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't. I designed it for you ;>. As such, I've immortalized you in the documentation. No problem - enjoy! oh, and thanks. =) xenocidic (talk) 20:57, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! While I know it will be a long long time before I ever considered admin status, I have always been one who likes to know what is going on with that side of things... your dashboard seemed like a good first step. Cheers! — Relyimah ^(t-c-e) 21:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

For sure. It can serve as a quick shortcut to get to AIV (though I always prefered twinkle's ARV system) you could also comment on AIV reports, you can also keep an eye on users looking for help, RFA, and comment at WP:UAA. xenocidic (talk) 21:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

I have already started doing some of this already (however, I tend to do most of this when I should be doing 'proper' work). Once I get some more time on my hands (Read: win the lottery), I hope to start cleaning this place up a bit :) Thanks again, and it seems I know where to come if I ever need assistance with anything. Now, on to some of that work I'm supposed to be doing... — Relyimah ^(t-c-e) 21:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I was trying to figure out what was going on there, both of you confused me!!! Unfortunatley, the IP came back, thought I would tell you since you gave the warning. Dusti^SPEAK!! 23:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I issued a final warning. I'm on the way out the door, so report to AIV if he re-vandalizes. xenocidic (talk) 23:40, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Dusti^SPEAK!! 23:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposal

Thanks for the notification. Ty 00:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: Discouraged Staatements

You're right. I probaly shoulf NOT add text like I did. I have since removed it. I just figured since you're allowed to have boxes that state you support a canidate, I thought you could add something like I did. Thanks for telling me. --Cedarvale1965-08 (talk) 01:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

thanks buddy

Thanks, i only want to stop vandalism and revert pages, yet i didnt know how to do it until now. Thanks a bunch. And i do have twinkle, yet how do i use it?

((T'ratos theGreat —Preceding comment was added at 02:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

oh, yeah see i dont have firefox, just ie so. I have to revert the manual way. Oh well. And i cant install it either, so.

T'ratos theGreat —Preceding comment was added at 02:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Great, thanks. And just to make sure i dont mess up, how do i undo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tratos the Great (talk • contribs) 02:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

i did it!!!

I have within 10 minutes fully reverted pages & sent out warnings to the users of 3 vandalized pages! Im so happy, im a true member of the anti-vandaluism unit. :) Thanks so much buddy.

T'ratos theGreat —Preceding comment was added at 02:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

hey, check out this page

I want you to check out this page and tell me what we should do with it. ‎Walter Willison -Tratos —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tratos the Great (talk • contribs) 03:24, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

...

I was wondering if instead of waiting 4 days, if you could please promote me to the Established Users group. I am one ( in reality, not yet in wiki tho) but i dont want to wait. I hate having to write the kapitcha's all the time. Please? T'ratos theGreat —Preceding comment was added at 03:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think that's possible. You'll have to wait it out, unfortunately. As for the article you asked about above, it needs a huge cleanup. If you feel up to copyediting it, go for it. I'm off for the night. happy editing, xenocidic (talk) 04:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Bureacracy at its finest...

Looking through random articles, I become interested in Edison's Conquest of Mars (nothing to do really with the point of this), so I look it up on Barnes & Noble's site. There, I see a passing reference to Catch-22, and in turn look up the plot here. I eventually find this and this.

Basically, there's an article for every character in the book, no matter how obscure, and I have no idea why all of this wasn't condensed onto the list of characters page in more succinct descriptions. Since overlooked stuff like this irritates me (enough to post this here at almost 2 AM), I am considering putting all of the character articles in an AfD: none of them assert notability or have sources, and since when do we need an article for every character in a book? Sure, I could just start up a merge discussion, but I doubt that would work; I don't even want to take on the task of a merge like that, so I don't see why anyone else would want to, unless a sizable group of editors got together and did it all at once. Even if there is a merge, most of the less important character articles should be deleted rather than become redirects, which is a lot of deletions.

Anyway, I know something should be done about this, but I don't even know where to begin. Is it even possible to put so many articles up for deletion at once? I'm just at a loss of how to handle the matter (I hesitated before posting this and thought of ignoring it, but hey, it's 2 AM so why not?). -- Comandante {Talk} 05:50, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I squared my jaw and went to work, and decided I can't possibly do it alone. It appears there were previous efforts to try and merge the pages together, but nothing happened. I guess no one else wants to take on such a load. Putting some thought into it, I think this is what needs to be done:

• Merge all Catch-22 character articles (except for this and this, more detailed, possibly notable) into List of characters in Catch-22.
• Identify the major/important characters of the novel; I haven't read the book so I'm not in a position to do this.
• Delete all of the articles on the unnamed characters, as well as the majority of named characters who aren't significant in the plot; I don't believe there's a need for so many obscure redirects.
• Convert the undeleted articles about the more significant characters into redirects to the main list.
• Clean up Template:Catch-22, and put it on the Catch-22 article; it isn't there for whatever reason.

Or, Option B-urrito: We ignore all of this, you delete these comments, and I forget the issue by eating this burrito in my fridge. Kind of sad just letting this go (nags at my organizational side), but I figure if we can't do it, we can't do it. This kind of cleanup needs manpower and gusto, which are at a premium this day and age ("someone else will do it eventually," etc.). But I ramble, so -- Comandante {Talk} 07:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting. I always thought Catch-22 was written by Kurt Vonnegut? Maybe I'm thinking of something else. Anyhow, what to do with these? They've been around for an awful long time. Since the main article claims that this is "cited as one of the great literary works of the Twentieth century" then I suppose it does deserve some deeper discussion, but many of these characters articles are completely unreferenced and based on primary sources. Is Maid with the lime-colored panties deserving of her own article? Certainly not, perhaps merge with Lime-colored panties ( I keed ). Anyhow, as you said, this is indeed a monstrous task, perhaps one that may best be prompted by a mass AFD, which I've seen before in the past. Anyhow, just so you know your burrito comment really made me hungry this morning. I'm going to ask someone who is more experienced with deletion to comment. 12:23, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

copied from keeper 76's talk page Ouch! Why'd you poke me? I'm tellin' mom....With a title like "bureacracy at its finest", I was holding my breath expecting the worst...whew. It's about content! How refreshing! I agree with Commandante - those need some massive pruning/deleting, especially the "unnamed characters". How silly for standalone articles, and completely implausible search terms. The "Catch-22" in all of this is that anyone who hasn't read the book won't find them notable, and anyone who has, because it is a fantastic book, will argue that they are all notable. I don't think a mass AFD is the way to go, too pointy. I think BOLDNESS is the way to go, with a dash of IAR. Before deleting anything though, because it is such a prolificly available and popular book, there are no doubt countless reviews/dissections—probably graduate papers, on the book and the characters. If a few sources can fix the WP:OR problem, perhaps they can be salvaged? I'm talking about the "named characters", not the ridiculous maids and whores and whore's sisters...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Xenocidic: Thanks for taking a look at it. As I may have mentioned, I'm probably not the best person to go around and point out the significant characters since I haven't even read the book. By the way I've opted for Option C-oming to my fridge to eat the burrito; all of the burrito and none of ignorance of Option B-urrito. Anyway, I'm willing to do something to help clean up the articles, I just need to be pointed in the right direction or something (but I'm not reading the book for this; I already have six novels for summer reading for my AP classes, so my hard-worker side is swamped). Whenever someone comes up with a plan, I'll be there (unless no one tells me about the plan; people have a tendency to forget to inform me of important stuff, like the field trip bus leaves at 5:00 AM...). Thanks again. -- Comandante {Talk} 16:54, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps another course of action would be to try figure out who is an active contributor to these articles and gently suggest they perform some merging into the List of chars article. xenocidic (talk) 16:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Using Sparknotes, I believe I've weeded out the lesser characters. Here I've altered the template to contain only the major characters, which either are notable enough for their own articles or just enough to not warrant deletion. These are mainly notable becuase they personally affect the main character, John Yossarian, or represent the significant failings of the military bureacracy in relation to Yossarian's squadron and thus impact the plot. I'll start getting to some of the active editors and begin merging the lesser notable characters to the main list; found a spare hour or two in my schedule today. -- Comandante {Talk} 18:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

In the words of a great man, make it so. xenocidic (talk) 18:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

k, i would like to user Rollback now

I have reverted a good number of pages now, and i get the hang of it. Can you please allow me to use it now? If so, thanks. IUf not, im still reverting anyway, just thought Rollback might make it easier. T'ratos theGreat —Preceding comment was added at 16:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

It's too early to grant rollback, you've only made a handful of undo's, and not all of them were correct. Continue using the undo button for a few weeks. xenocidic (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Farm?

Hi Xenocidic, I believe an account you have blocked (Nigel321) might be part of a vandalizing sock farm. I've filed an RFCU here, in case you want to comment. Thanks, R. Baley (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Done. cheers, xenocidic (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

3rd Party Opinion

As a gamer, can I get you to drop in and give an outside opinion at Talk:List_of_songs_in_Rock_Band#Offspring_DLC where there is a discussion on whether DLC announcements from the artists themselves count as reliable sources Vs. announcements by the games publishers. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 18:18, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

joining the ranks of the admins

Thanks for your kind words in my successful RfA. Now I’m off to do some fixin'... Pinkville (talk) 00:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Would appreciate your opinion

Good evening. This message has been addressed to you because you happened to be around at the time. I wish to add the moniker "Lex Orwell" to the proposition section of this article on the basis of this, but I am biased as all hell and as such wish for an outsider's opinion. Don't consider yourself under any obligation to answer. --Kizor 13:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Something like this at the end of the first paragraph would probably be appropriate -

The proposed law has been nicknamed "Lex Orwell", in reference to the book [[Nineteen Eighty-Four|1984]] by [[George Orwell]].<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4158509.ece|title=Swedish revolt over 'Big Brother' law|date=2008-06-17|accessdate=2008-06-19|publisher=TimesOnline|author=Roger Boyes}}</ref>

yes? xenocidic (talk) 13:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much

Thank you for blocking that IP user who presumably took exception to an agreement made towards a move on a Wikiproject page! Bobo. 13:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I reported it! I'm taking the credit! :D Enigma ^message 13:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

no prob

heh =) xenocidic (talk) 13:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

User talk:68.13.151.71

Just wanted to give you a heads-up that I partially reverted User talk:68.13.151.71 as this vandal is correct that WP:USER gives this IP the right to remove (almost all) messages at will from his or her own talk page. --Kralizec! (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, I was under the impression that block templates were not to be removed for the duration of the block. xenocidic (talk) 14:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Warnings and old block templates may be removed, but not current blocks, IIRC. This way, if someone else uses the IP they can see the block and understand what's going on. Enigma ^message 14:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that's what I thought. Coulda sworn I read it somewhere, but as is always the case, I can't find it now. =) xenocidic (talk) 14:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

See, WP:USER doesn't really address IP talk pages, at least sufficiently. To me, the IP talk page is not their talk page - it's the IP's. If you want your own talk page with the right to blank warnings and do whatever you want, create an account. Tan | 39 14:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Good point. xenocidic (talk) 14:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Tan, I agree that IPs shouldn't blank their own talk pages, but the policy constantly stated at the noticeboards is that they too have the right to remove warnings and it's a sign that they've been read. This doesn't address dynamic IPs, though... In short, I disagree with what's been stated as policy. Enigma ^message 14:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Really, this is a great example of when we should ignore policy. What's best for the project? If the anonymous editor clearly isn't being constructive, I see no reason why I should allow them to blank anything off their talk page, when that history could be useful for a future admin to see how long the problem has lasted. Tan | 39 14:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. I've already ignored it, protected the talk page, and reverted to the version with the block template. =) xenocidic (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually the issue was rehashed several months ago at WP:VPP, and the clear consensus was that both registered and anonymous editors have the same rights under WP:USER. In fact, the "policy does not prohibit users, including both registered and anonymous users, from removing comments from their own talk pages" part of WP:BLANKING was explicitly updated in the hope that it would permanently resolve exactly these sorts of issues.

While I share no love for the jerk behind this IP address (indeed two of this IP's three most recent blocks were from me), I do not see how the project is benefited by we-in-the-admin-community reverting this talk page to the version we like when the anonymous editor in question is actually following WP:USER. --Kralizec! (talk) 15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, in following WP:USER, he violated WP:NPA (even while you were trying to help him). Anyhow, I still think block templates should remain for the duration of the block, and I'm fairly sure I read that somewhere. I'll keep poking around. xenocidic (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree with your protecting the page; after all I had just warned the IP two minutes before that those sorts of edits would "not be tolerated." However none of this changes the fact that this anonymous editor's USER-granted right to remove messages from his or her own talk page has been violated. (And in case you are wondering why I am defending the rights of someone whom I have a very low opinion of ... I am a strong believer in the importance of process.) --Kralizec! (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. I agree with you on that, I just thought I had read somewhere that block notices were supposed to remain whilst active (must have confused them with declined unblock requests). xenocidic (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Seeking wider opinion: WP:Administrators' noticeboard#IPs removing their block templates while the block is active. xenocidic (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads-up; I replied there with my understanding of our current official policies and guidelines. --Kralizec! (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yep, and thanks for the link to the relevant VPP discussion. xenocidic (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Aargh, beat to the punch

You blocked 165.166.21.126 moments before I clicked the block button. I guess I'm a little slow first thing in the morning. Useight (talk) 14:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Clearly, my dashboard gives me the upper hand. =) xenocidic (talk) 14:20, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, I'm kind of fond of my similar page, which doesn't yet have a fancy name. I'll have to think of one. Hmm, maybe "tool box". Useight (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

See, that's why I beat you, my AIV stuff is right there, in your face. you have to "show" it =). P.S. you do realize that the backlog category tracker hasn't been updated in like 6 months? feel free to lift some elements from my dash for the backlog stuff. xenocidic (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The dashboard rocks Useight. It says "purge" right on it. I've stolen it from xeno, and I love love love it. Steal it! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I hope there was supposed to be a comma between "rocks" and "Useight", :P. I'll take a look into it. Useight (talk) 14:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

It can be transcluded onto your "helps" page, and then you'd still have all that other handy stuff. xenocidic (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

In the end, I only stole the AIV commenting templates. I may take a couple more things in the future. Useight (talk) 14:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand this question.

[7]. The second line.Second question.I don't know what she's asking me to do. Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}About Me 16:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

something like this userpage, perhaps? User:Chrislk02. xenocidic (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll reply here. I would like to use Futura or Gill Sans as the font. UNI^|SOUTH 17:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually it's probably best to reply at Jacob's talk page, I was just helping him figure out what you were looking for. xenocidic (talk) 17:38, 19 June 2008 (UTC)