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Welcome!

Hello, KP Botany! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking

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:Uh, yeah, Welcome, KP! ;) How ya doing? I've been gone of late, busy with school (just transfered to Davis). --NoahElhardt (talk) 04:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Japanese citrus

There is a DRV discussion here related to the Japanese citrus category that may benefit from your input in view of your contributions to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants. Thanks. -- Jreferee t/c 20:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, there !

How nice to see you ... it would sure be nice if you'd really come back :-) You are missed. Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be great to see you back, KP. Honesty, integrity and ex punks are in short supply around here, sadly it seems. Ceoil (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with the above two postings. You are a wonderful person and Wikipedian, KP Botany, and I also miss you. Acalamari 00:12, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Let me tempt you to come back, too; ever since you left, I've languished at X-ray crystallography and now you see how bad it is. :( But I'm working on some nice Blender animations to make it snazzy, and I promise to give metallurgy and mineralogy their due. Let's make it an FA together! :) Affectionately, Willow (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're a groovy guy and one of the few hereabouts who's made me laugh. So come back any time. -- Hoary (talk) 02:48, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just chiming in to say that I enjoyed our occasional interactions (typically on botanical articles) too!Easchiff(talk) 18:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and i too regret not having around one of our best science editors ever... DGG (talk) 04:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

gossip protocol

I'd like to let you know that if you lost any sleep over any lack of information in that article, I proposed to delete it. I wonder if the author signed some non-disclosure agreements. BrewJay (talk) 13:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject California roll call

Hello from WikiProject California!

As part of a recent update to our project main page we are conducting a roll call to check which members are still active and interested in working on California related content. If you are still interested in participating, simply move your username from the inactive section of the participant list to the active section. I hope you will find the redesigned project pages helpful, and I wanted to welcome you back to the project. If you want you can take a look at the newly redesigned:

As well as the existing pages:

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask at the project talk page, and add it to your watchlist, if it isn't already.

Again, hi! Optigan13 (talk) 00:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you stay

We need your perspectives.--Curtis Clark (talk) 02:36, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome! Welcome! Welcome! back

May this Chihuahua protect you and your edits from attack. --David Shankbone 20:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A Welcome Back from me too, KP! I haven't been very active myself lately, but it makes me happy to see you around again. :) --NoahElhardt (talk) 21:27, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back too. Having good people around is what makes it worthwhile to edit here. Kingdon (talk) 03:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We can now continue to improve the encyclopedia properly again. DGG (talk) 00:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thx. At least until I start back to school in 2 weeks. I think I'm taking 21 units.... --KP Botany (talk) 07:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, KP Botany! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this freepedia. If you decide that you need help, ask Krampus or your friendly new chihuaha, or just reach for a beer. Please remember to, um, you know, and all that sort of thing. Give 'em hell and don't hit "save page" till you see the whites of their eyes. -- Hoary (talk) 07:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Hoary. Krampus looks like I imagine most administrators to look.... --KP Botany (talk) 07:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to confess that I'm missing the horns, KP. Yet googling quickly shows me how and where to acquire them. Like almost anything else, they're just commodities. Isn't the free market a wonderful thing? -- Hoary (talk) 07:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spirulina

You're welcome. Clever, aren't they?Dave (talk) 03:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coaster

Hey man I am simply adding high quality photos I'm not quite sure what you want me to reference. I added one blog which I did in fact reference. I don't know why you are targeting me and my photos for deletion they are clearly appropriate. I am trying to update wikipedia for the community to see these articles in a new light, please stop deleting my work. Explain to me what is wrong with my photos if you are in fact doing legitimate work. Thanks, Coaster —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coaster420 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your photographs are not supported by anything at all. How do I know that that is indeed "Green Crack," which is used as a medical marijuana, when there's not one single legitimate source about the Green Crack strain, you've used the sources you have inaccurately, and seem to be on a mission to promote Green Crack marijuana on Wikipedia and your personal blog? You want to add photos and advertise your blog, attach an air of legitimacy to anything. Until then, just cut it out. There are plenty of usable resources for marijuana strains. Find one, use it, then proceed. Until then, and until you hit the article discussion page about your images, just cool it. Also, your image captions tend to say it all, that you don't consider Wikipedia an encyclopedia, which, it is. There are plenty of sites that will allow you to share bodacious images of the weed you are selling who will allow these uploads without any support. They're welcome here with a little background research that shows they belong in an encyclopedia. Come to terms with it. We'll be glad to help you do so. --KP Botany (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have me completely wrong, I am not selling anything and I don't know where you get that idea. What blog of mine are you referring to? I'm not advertising anything you seem to have a trust issue with me, I am here for the same reason as you. I don't know how to prove to you that I'm not selling anything and even if I was I have no idea how my images promote my product. Every single one of my images are completely legitimate and I do indeed consider wikipedia as an encyclopedia. Green Crack is actually a common strain here in the medical state of California here are some sites referring to it; http://cannabis.com/viewPhoto.php?photo_id=942&title=Green_Crack http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=green%20crack http://www.420magazine.com/forums/plant-bud-photos/65112-green-crack.html http://forum.grasscity.com/recreational-marijuana-use/149984-green-crack-bud.html

Your right a tulip does not go in an article with roses, I do not think your analogy applies to me. All of my images are completely appropriate. Green Crack is extremely popular, there are over a hundred different strains of marijuana I doubt you have heard of them all. Why do you keep changing that LSD picture of tabs, its much more appropriate for the forms of LSD section, that sheet of LSD is not something common. Also that picture of the shroom cap is appropriate in the description section, the mescaline brew is appropriate so people have an idea about how it can be acquired. My photos are justly added, why don't you get a second opinion before you just change my work. -Coaster

You keep referring to my "blogs" please show me what you are talking about. Coaster420 (talk) 19:01, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is what I'm here for, to help create an encyclopedia on the internet. Lets discuss what you think is wrong with my edits, I believe the couple pictures that I replaced was appropriately changed. Explain to me what precisely is wrong with my alterations. Coaster420 (talk) 08:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attack

Your edits creating this section are insulting and degrading to a fellow editor, and thus comprise a personal attack. I realize that Wikipedia editing can be stressful and that emotions and nuances are not conveyed effectively in this written media, which all easily adds up to misunderstanding. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a very hard time seeing how this could be a misunderstanding. It seems to me to be clearly insulting and degrading, and meant to be exactly that.

As to your earlier accusation of me personal attacking you, I assure that was a result of a misunderstanding, and the following from WP:ATTACK apply:

"Personal attacks do not include civil language used to describe an editor's actions, and when made without involving their personal character, should not be construed as personal attacks,"
"Do not respond on a talk page of an article; this tends to escalate matters. Likewise, it is important to avoid becoming hostile and confrontational yourself, even in the face of abuse. "

As you know, my original statement was: "Not using the most common name for the title of an article should not alleviate the editor from doing any of these tasks involving the most common name, but it usually does, and Wikipedia is not better for it, but editors like KP Botany are obviously looking forward to it." There is nothing but civil language in this statement, and nothing is said or implied about your personal character, which, by the way, so far as I know, is impeccable. Truly. I mean, knowing human nature, nothing personal, odds are against that, but it may very well be true. In fact, the only reference to you is only a restatement of what you yourself implied when you wrote: "If I have to post plant articles under common names, I simply won't."

You misunderstood this to be a personal attack from me, and responded not on my talk page, but on the article talk page here and again in an entire section devoted to it. Per WP:ATTACK, responding in that manner is not appropriate.

At the time I wrote that statement I knew practically nothing about you, except one or two posts in that discussion from you, including the statement in which you said: "If I have to post plant articles under common names, I simply won't." I had no reason to insult you. Frankly, I didn't know who you were, except that you wrote that one sentence, and it struck me as an example of something I've been thinking and writing about a lot: guidelines that don't adhere to use of the most common name for titles tend to make editors feel like they don't need to pay as much attention to common names, and so common names tend to not get as much attention in articles subject to such guidelines. It's just something I've observed about the behavior of countless editors, including perhaps the best and most conscientious among us, and had nothing to do with you personally. You just happened to make a statement that illustrated how this widespread phenomenon (which I believe is detrimental to Wikipedia) occurs, so I made a note of it. The idea that I intended to insult you by it is preposterous. For the 3rd or 4th time, I'm truly sorry if you were insulted by it, but I assure you that was not my intent. From the beginning I have consistently expressed genuine astonishment about your reaction. It's high time you paid heed to WP:AGF and stop accusing me of intentionally and purposefully insulting a complete stranger for no reason. That's just ludicrous. Believe me, I'm no Don Rickles.

If you want to continue this discussion here, fine, but please stop responding to what you perceive to be personal attacks on the article's talk page, and especially please stop launching personal attacks there yourself. Thanks. --Born2cycle (talk) 10:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 Yes that is what I'm here for, to help create an encyclopedia on the internet. Lets discuss what you think is wrong with my edits, I believe the couple pictures that I replaced was appropriately changed. Explain to me what precisely is wrong with my alterations. [[User:Coaster420|Coaster420]] ([[User talk:Coaster420|talk]]) 08:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
+== Personal attack ==
+Your edits creating [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANaming_conventions_(flora)&diff=260847536&oldid=260846084 this section] are insulting and degrading to a fellow editor, and thus comprise a [[WP:ATTACK|personal attack]].  I realize that Wikipedia editing can be stressful and that emotions and nuances are not conveyed effectively in this written media, which all easily adds up to misunderstanding.  I hope I'm wrong, but I'm having a very hard time seeing how this could be a misunderstanding.   It seems to me to be clearly insulting and degrading, and meant to be exactly that.
+As to your earlier accusation of me personal attacking you, I ''assure'' that was a result of a misunderstanding, and the following from [[WP:ATTACK]] apply:
+:* "Personal attacks do not include civil language used to describe an editor's actions, and when made without involving their personal character, should not be construed as personal attacks,"
+:* "Do not respond on a talk page of an article; this tends to escalate matters. Likewise, it is important to avoid becoming hostile and confrontational yourself, even in the face of abuse. "
+As you know, my original statement was: "Not using the most common name for the title of an article should not alleviate the editor from doing any of these tasks involving the most common name, but it usually does, and Wikipedia is not better for it, but editors like KP Botany are obviously looking forward to it."  There is nothing but civil language in this statement, and nothing is said or implied about your personal character, which, by the way, so far as I know, is impeccable.  Truly.  I mean, knowing human nature, nothing personal, odds are against that, but it ''may'' very well be true.  In fact, the only reference to you is only a restatement of what you yourself implied when you wrote: "If I have to post plant articles under common names, I simply won't."
+You misunderstood this to be a personal attack from me, and responded not on my talk page, but on the article talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANaming_conventions_(flora)&diff=260712902&oldid=260711827 here] and again in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(flora)&oldid=260852584#Born2Cycle.27s_personal_attacks an entire section devoted to it].  Per [[WP:ATTACK]], responding in that manner is not appropriate.
+At the time I wrote that statement I knew practically nothing about you, except one or two posts in that discussion from you, including the statement in which you said: "If I have to post plant articles under common names, I simply won't."  I had no reason to insult you.  Frankly, I didn't know who you were, except that you wrote that one sentence, and it struck me as an example of something I've been thinking and writing about a lot: ''guidelines that don't adhere to use of the most common name for titles tend to make editors feel like they don't need to pay as much attention to common names, and so common names tend to not get as much attention in articles subject to such guidelines.''  It's just something I've observed about the behavior of countless editors, including perhaps the best and most conscientious among us, '''and had nothing to do with you personally.'''  You just happened to make a statement that illustrated how this widespread phenomenon (which I believe is detrimental to Wikipedia) occurs, so I made a note of it.  The idea that I ''intended'' to insult you by it is preposterous.   For the 3rd or 4th time, I'm truly sorry if you were insulted by it, but I assure you that was not my intent.   From the beginning I have consistently expressed genuine astonishment about your reaction.  It's high time you paid heed to [[WP:AGF]] and stop accusing me of intentionally and purposefully  insulting a complete stranger for no reason.  That's just ludicrous.  Believe me, I'm no Don Rickles.
+If you want to continue this discussion here, fine, but please stop responding to what you perceive to be personal attacks on the article's talk page, and especially please stop launching personal attacks there yourself.   Thanks.  --[[User:Born2cycle|Born2cycle]] ([[User talk:Born2cycle|talk]]) 10:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)