Talk:David Haye

Better than a Stub now?

Not sure how to remove Stub template, but surely this article has graduated from stub class now? Centrepull (talk) 19:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Kyrenia/Girne

I realise that the subject of the name of the city that resides in the northern territory of Cyprus is subject to a naming dispute between the various factions.

However the city is listed as kyrenia in wikipedia and I have listed both city names so as to be NPOV. I cannot see any reason to pick one over the other but Kyrenia is the name of the article and the Anglicised name of the city.

So as long as the Turkish name is listed also I feel it should be left as:

"His training camp is based in Kyrenia (Turkish: Girne), in the de facto recognized state of The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"

GenestealerUK (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

How is Turkey's invasion of Cyprus irrelevant to David Haye?? The Turkish army who illegally invaded and still occupies the northern third of the island is now paying Haye to promote their de-facto state as a recognized country. The world should know how immoral David Haye is; he's helping to ethnically cleanse the island's indigenous inhabitants from theur homeland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teucris (talk • contribs) 07:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

David Haye played no part in the "invasion". That's why it's irrelevant. --Jimbo^[online] 11:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

David Haye is on the payroll of the people who DID invade and being paid to do their PR. He's discredited the south of the island and uses the Turkish names of places in the north as part of Turkey's plan to erase Cyprus' heritage and history in the part it illegally occupies. The flag he wears represents an entity that has been labeled illegal by both the United Nations and the European Courts of Human Rights. David Haye has opted to play a part in international politics so referring to the Turkish invasion of Cyprus is relevant here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teucris (talk • contribs) 22:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

A lot of that sounds like POV. Without the back up of verifiable and reliable sources that information is entirely subjective. That still means the Turkish invasion article is irrelevant. --Jimbo^[online] 23:02, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Fight Record

This was removed several months ago

I've reinstated it. It is similar to the one on the Evander Holyfield page. I feel that this justifies including it here also.

GenestealerUK (talk) 15:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It's wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.223.98.192 (talk) 20:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Life Section/Trivia

The section "Life" seems little more than a small trivia section. Until something more comprehensive is added I think this section should be removed. Any thoughts?

GenestealerUK (talk) 22:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted this section for the above reasons

GenestealerUK (talk) 15:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Haye 'vs' Valuev

Strange, that upcoming fight hasn't been dubbed 'David vs Goliath'. GoodDay (talk) 17:15, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Holy smokers, The Sports Network has just used it. GoodDay (talk) 21:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Holy fuck, he WON! --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Wrong boxing record

Somebody fix it plz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.8.226.219 (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

IBA Title?

I don't think David Haye is the IBA champion; their website says that its James Toney (which is a bit of joke in itself); has someone put the IBA information in as a cheap bit of vandalism? Wikipediatastic (talk) 12:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

English or British

The edit (here) changing the Lead from "David Deron Haye (born 13 October 1980 in Lambeth, London) is an English professional boxer ..." to "David Deron Haye (born 13 October 1980 in Lambeth, London) is an British [sic] professional boxer … " was accompanied by the edit summary "Boxing articles use 'British' ". In my experience, some do and some don't. But just so we can be completely clear that the statement is true, please provide a link to the agreement, guidance or WP:MOS to which the statement "Boxing articles use 'British' " refers. Thank you. Daicaregos (talk) 14:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh for goodness sake, revert it. GoodDay (talk) 16:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean the statement you made is false? If so, you should self-revert. Daicaregos (talk) 19:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I forgot about that blasted MoS thing, which currently prefers English/Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish for bio articles of British people. GoodDay (talk) 19:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

FWIW, this source [1], calls Haye, Harrison and another boxer British. GoodDay (talk) 19:55, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

And this AFP agency report calls his an Englishman. Daicaregos (talk) 20:00, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Conflicting sources, predictably. GoodDay (talk) 20:02, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Haye can be called English or British. GoodDay (talk) 04:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

He is both British and English. As English conveys more information it is alway preferable to me. LiamE (talk) 06:20, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I found 2 reliable sources for British, so I've changed it to British boxer. GoodDay (talk) 02:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

This is bordering on tendentious. You are well aware:
* of the advice given at WP:UKNATIONALS;
* that changing Haye's nationality in the Lead is against consensus;
* that there are also reliable sources noting Haye's nationality as Engish.
Please stop. I am reverting. Daicaregos (talk) 07:24, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard allows him to be called British, as publicity sources were provided. You don't own the Welsh political articles and the boxing articles. GoodDay (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Corrections, you do own them. GoodDay (talk) 15:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

FWIW, I raised the descriptive issue at WP:BOXING -- GoodDay (talk) 16:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Those are outragous claims and should be struck (unless diffs are provided to prove the claim at WP:AN/I, where your conduct here and elsewhere would be scrutinised). I had no personal preference as to which nationality the article should note (although on balance I agree with LiamE that 'English' conveys more information than British). My objection from the start was that the change (from English to British here), in opposition to the advice given at WP:UKNATIONALS, was justified by an unsubstantiated claim that turned out to have no basis in fact. In other words GoodDay, you simply made it up. Boxing articles do not "use 'British' ", as claimed. Some do, some don't. Whether this claim was made through your incompetence, or in an attempt to enforce your point of view by trickling other editors into thinking consensus had been achieved elsewhere, I will leave others to decide. Subsequent consensus here was to use 'English'. Despite this, you sought to impose your version on the article, then complained of 'ownership' when that change was reverted. Your conduct here is simply not good enough, GoodDay. Daicaregos (talk) 10:43, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I had 2 darn good sources for British. Also, the guy wears Union Jack trunks, not English. Anyways, as of now, there isn't enough support here for the change proposed. GoodDay (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Daicaregos (talk) 14:42, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Why does it even say British in the infobox? Joe Calzaghe doesn't have a union jack in his infobox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.114.202 (talk) 15:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Calzaghe should, though (have a Union Jack). GoodDay (talk) 16:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Copy Editing

I think this run-on sentence should be broken into 2 or 3 sentences. I was planning on breaking it up, but I'm not sure of the intended meaning:

"As a fight with Wladimir Klitschko was mooted, but with his stated intention as retiring on his 31st birthday on 13 October 2011, Haye further stated that if it did not happen, 'I'll just have to accept that becoming the WBA champion was enough and ... "

How would such a fight be moot? Originalname37 (Talk?) 06:17, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Are you missing the meaning of "mooted" as in the fight was discussed? LiamE (talk) 09:25, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks. Now I get it. I'll try to deal with the run-on sentence.134.174.1.162 (talk) 19:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)