Talk:List of best-selling albums

heres yet another reference, for u.k. sales

== History past present future,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,can u help (best selling albums

^ a b c Day, Elizabeth (March 16, 2008). "The whole world in his hands". London: The Guardian. http://music.guardian.co.uk/pop/story/0,,2265010,00.html#article_continue. Retrieved April 21, 2008..............is a link which indicates that the total amount of History past present future, by Michael Jackson (sold in u.k.) would exceed the threshold necessary to be on the list,,,,,,,,,,thanks--65.8.191.151 (talk) 00:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)the list of countries is below {{edit semi-protected}}.

argentina 60,000 australia 560,000 austria 100,000 brazil 100,000 canada 500,000 denmark 250,000 europe 6,000,000 finland 61,352 france 1,000,000 germany 1,500,000 japan 400,000 mexico 100,000 netherlands 300,000 new zealand 135,000 norway 50,000 poland 100,000 sweden 100,000 switzerland 150,000 uk 1,500,000 us 7,000,000/2= 3,500,000 Total: 11,655,000 =========== albums from 1995 just need 11.5 million (57.5% in sales autosigned">— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.189.38 (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done I have no idea what you want changed. Please format your request as described at {{Edit semi-protected}} Thanks. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

the above information clearly states that History past present and future meets the threshold to be listed on the "best selling album" list, if you will notice above there is even a summary of all the sales that can be verified,,,,thank you--65.8.189.209 (talk) 09:32, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: It's not clear to me. Also please note that this page is semi-protected, not fully protected, so {{edit protected}} is inappropriate. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry i though it was full protected. As to the amounts that are placed above and that would qualify the album for inclusion in the list, all available info has been included, however if there is something ADDITIONAL, i would be happy to add it to the request thank you--65.8.189.66 (talk) 10:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: - Can you provide a source that has all the numbers added up, so there is one figure for us to put in? - Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 13:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

history past present future michael jackson

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http://fanofmusic.free.fr/index.php?m=Charts&s=BestSellers&p=BestSellers&Act=121 clearly indicates that History Past present and Future meets the threshold for this list,,,thanks.--65.8.190.195 (talk) 11:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

 Not done. Please see above declines, and look at the page history for the full reasoning. gwickwire | Leave a message 19:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Various Artists

Why is it that no Billy Joel album is listed? His Greatest Hits Vol. 1 & 2 got a 23x Platinum certification in the USA meaning 11.5 million copies sold.

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist=Billy+Joel

It came out in 1985 so at the most it would need 40% to back up a 20 million claim, and considering 11.5 million is 40% of 28 million, and these are sales of the USA alone, this album surely may has enough for a 30 million sales claim.

Not to mention albums such as The Stranger which has a diamond award in the US

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=tblTop100&action=

and certifications measure up to about 10.5 million and it came out in 1977 meaning it has sales that can at least back up 40 million. However, as 40 million is an obvious stretch, a much more realistic number would be between 25-30 million

An Innocent Man was a widely popular album that came out in 1983 and certifications measure up to about 9 million meaning it would need at least a 36% supported figure. This album with 9 million certified can support at least 25 million from that number (a much more realistic number) at least 20-23 million.

Also, Bruce Springsteen's Born to Run came out in 1975 and went 6x platinum in the USA.

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?content_selector=gold-platinum-searchable-database#

Again these are American sales alone and it can still support at least a 20 million claim (somewhere between 20-25 million).

Born in the USA has certifications that measure up to about 21 million

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?artist=%22Born+in+the+U.S.A.%22

It came out in 1984 so it would need 38% supported figures, and 20 million units can support up to 50 million. However a more realistic number would be somewhere between 35-40 million, however it is well over 30 million

The Beatles' White album has a 19x platinum certification meaning 9.5 million sold in the US plus the 8x platinum sales in Canada.

http://www.riaa.org/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&artist=beatles&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=200

http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=Beatles&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist

Together that adds to 10.3 million and as it came out in 1968, it would need at least 20% of its sales to support a worthy claim. 10.5 is 20% of 50 million and for the Beatles that may be a pretty accurate number. However, more realistically statics wise, at least 30 million may be a bit more accurate.

Revolver got a 5x platinum certification in the US

http://www.riaa.org/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&artist=beatles&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2009&sort=Artist&perPage=200

And therefore can support up to, a very realistic, 25 million claim

The Magical Mystery Tour has a 6x platinum award in the US (theres no sense in pasting the very same link multiple times) and has a 4x platinum award in Canada ()same canadian source as above) and can support up to a 30 million claim. However, as this album was not one of their most popular, a better claim would be between 23-26 million.

Rubber Soul has a 6x platinum certification in the USA and a 2x platinum certification in Canada meaning 6.2 million and therefore able to support a 30 million claim as well

The album, Meet the Beatles has a 5x platinum certification in the US and can support a, very realistic, 25 million

A Hard Day's Night has a 4x platinum award and a 1x platinum award in Canada and can therefore support a 20 million claim

Let It Be has 4x platinum certified and a 3x platinum award in Canada thereby supporting up to 21 million.

These sales for the Beatles should actually be much higher considering these are US and Canadian sales alone, not to mention most of their albums had separate releases for the UK and US

Led Zeppelin's first album has an 8x platinum certification in the US

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=4&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=&artist=Led_Zeppelin&format=&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=&endMonth=&startYear=&endYear=&sort=Artist&perPage=100

a diamond award in Canada

http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=Led%20Zeppelin&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Artist

and a 2x platinum certification in the UK meaning 9.6 million sold for a 1969 album. Thereby supporting up to a 48 million claim (however a much more realistic number would be between 26-32 million)

Led Zeppelin 2 have a 12x platinum certification in the US, 4x platinum in the UK, and 9x platinum in Canada combined making a total of 14.1 million for a 1969 album and can support a 70 million claim (at least a 33 million claim would be appropriate)

Houses of the Holy is certified 11x platinum in the US and platinum in the UK to make a total of 11.3 million sold for a 1973 album, supporting up to 56 million (at least 30 million).

It is actually a farce that Physical Graffiti is not on this list as it has a 16x platinum certification in the US and a 2x platinum in the UK, Gold in Germany and Gold in France making for a total of 9.5 million sold worldwide. Thereby supporting up to 44 million (mostly likely a number between 30-35 million)

Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here has a 6x platinum certification in the US

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=SEARCH_RESULTS&action=&title=&artist=Pink%20Floyd&format=&debutLP=&category=&sex=&releaseDate=&requestNo=&type=&level=&label=&company=&certificationDate=&awardDescription=&catalogNo=&aSex=&rec_id=&charField=&gold=&platinum=&multiPlat=&level2=&certDate=&album=&id=&after=&before=&startMonth=1&endMonth=1&startYear=1958&endYear=2007&sort=Artist&perPage=25

Among its many other certifications, its American sales alone can support up to a 30 million claim for this album.

This is the same for The Rolling Stone's Some Girls which has a 6x platinum certification in the US

Eric Clapton Unplugged has a certified 16 million units sold (I would post each individual source here but luckily wikipedia has already done it for me, with the numbers listed next to the certifications)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton_Unplugged

Thus supporting a 30 million sales claim (25-30 are reasonable numbers)

Phil Collins's ...But Seriously has enough certifications to boast a 14 million sold, thereby supporting a 29 million claim (25 is quite reasonable)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...But_Seriously

Also, I am not using wikipedia as a source i just felt that instead of listing many different sources that say the same thing i could just direct you to them all at once

AC/DC's Highway to Hell certifications for 7 million in America and 200,000 in Canada supporting a 25 million claim

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH_RESULTS&artist=AC/DC

http://www.musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=ac/dc&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Cert.%20Date

Queen's A Night at the Opera has certifications for over 4 million sold worldwide, thereby supporting a 20 million sales claim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_at_the_Opera_%28Queen_album%29#Certifications

News of the World has certifications for 5.6 million thereby backing up a 23 million sales claim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_of_the_World_%28album%29#Charts_and_certifications

(SuperCell3000 (talk) 22:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC))

 Not done: You make very good points for LOTS of albums, the problem is, we can't add them without reliable sources for the sales claims. That's why, for example, Hotel California hasn't been added to the list despite the fact that it has over 21 million in certifications. As a side note, it's nice to see people making use of the certification tables I made for Queen's studio albums and ...But Seriously :)

If you want to get something done about this, I suggest you just google "[album title]" "[sales claim]" and see what you can find. I've already gotten started on "...But Seriously", but haven't found any reliable sources yet. --Mαuri^’96 “...over the Borderline” 04:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 November 2012

I was the one who asking to include TLC's CrazySexyCool on the list with 22m claim from MSNBC.

Now, i advise to raise the claim figures of their second album to 23m claim from The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/tlc-plan-first-album-since-lisa-left-eye-lopes-death-8282219.html)

Thanks.

39.210.79.73 (talk) 05:45, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done - with this edit. I see this list appears to have its own sourcing rules, so this may be the "B" in WP:BRD. I've done it on the basis that this source seems as good as the existing one, with no prejudice against another editor reverting or altering to suit page practice/norms. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 00:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

thank you for raising the claim figures of TLC's Album in this list, but why the 22m claim figures sources still put in the list. It would make the reader confuse, which is the reliable? I suggest to remove the claim figures source from MSNBC. 182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done - Begoon ^talk 11:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 November 2012

no offence please, but i suggest to change the claim sources of Iron Butterfly's In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida because is look not appropriate and really different from the others (most of the albums claim sources in this list come from a reliable newspaper)

Please put this sources for In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida claim figures in this list from Otago Daily Times, it would more appropriate. thanks

(http://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/music/228919/gloriously-indulgent-orgy-iron-butterfly)

182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done - because it seemed better to me than what was there. Thanks. Incidentally, if you want to make lots of edits like this, have you considered getting an account, so you may do it yourself? It's by no means required - but could make it easier for you. Begoon ^talk 02:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Really? i can, then could you please share me the way how to get an account in here. thanks 182.4.56.245 (talk) 04:09, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Why create an account? should answer most questions you would have. The link at the top of that page: Create an account now will take you to the Sign Up page. Begoon ^talk 04:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 November 2012

Adele's 21 is the world's biggest selling album of all time, beating out Michael Jackson's Thriller far far away.

The Daily Telegraph announce 21 has sold 220 million copies (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9450131/Singer-Adele-babysits-for-a-strangers-child-at-high-street-cafe.html)

Please put that Album at the top of the list. thanks

182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:23, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: That looks like a typo to me, at the time the number sold was 22 million, it's now up to 25 million. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Ha. I thought the Grauniad was the "specialist" for typos - maybe not any more... Begoon ^talk 11:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, of course i know. Because it was silly since THE DAILY TELEGRAPH is one of the most reliable news source in the world's history and it was look idiot when i see that 220m figures came out from such a prestigious source. 182.4.56.245 (talk) 11:40, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 November 2012

I always feel that Bob Marley & The Wailers's 1984 compilation hit, Legend: The Best of Bob Marley & The Wailers is sold more than 20m, and if we see the certification sales of that album, Legend could be sell at least 30 - 32m.

But, there is no reliable source claim that sales figure. And meanwhile, i'm asking to raise the sales figures of Legend in this list up to 25m based on the news from Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222965/Elizabeth-Taylor-overtakes-Jacko-Elvis-lead-Forbes-list-highest-earning-DEAD-celebrities.html)

thanks

(P.S Could someone/editors in this list, answer my question regarding Iron Butterfly's claim figures source, if is NOT DONE it's fine BUT please response. thanks)

182.4.56.245 (talk) 01:42, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Is there another reference? Some editors consider the Daily Mail a tabloid, with inferior fact checking. That doesn't mean this reference is no good - but another reference, if easily available, would nullify such concerns. Begoon ^talk 02:56, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Why? but Daily Mail is a very famous news source, and as i remember we have been used the source from Daily Mail for claim figures of several albums in this list. such as Whitney, Faith, Breaksfast in America.

If we must find another source for Legend claim figures, then here the source from The New York Times (http://movies.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/movies/a-documentary-on-bob-marley-from-kevin-macdonald.html) which also claim the 25m figures of Legend.

Thanks 182.4.56.245 (talk) 04:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done - As I said above - the Daily Mail ref is probably ok - but the additional one will satisfy those who find the "Mail" too tabloidy. Thanks for finding it. Begoon ^talk 04:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 November 2012

I already have an account in wikipedia, but still can not edit this protect article, so i'm continue to make an edit request.

Please advise, is it possible to raise Britney Spears's 2000 global hit, Oops!... I Did It Again ? because the certification of the album is too excellent, since it going Diamond (10m) in U.S only and i think the 20m figures is too low for it.

Digital Spy (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/news/a377189/ten-things-about-britney-spears.html) claim Oops...! sold 25m.

We could use this reference, since we also use the source from Digital Spy for Ace of Base's 1993 all time-best debut Happy Nation/The Sign.

thanks

Politsi (talk) 05:31, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done with this edit. With regards to your other query - see WP:AUTOCONFIRMED - you can edit semi protected articles after your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits - so 4 days after you registered (17.11.12) in your case as you have already made more than 10 edits. Begoon ^talk 06:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

List Criteria

In the top of the article, it is said In this list the highest sales figure reported for an album is added to the list. Meaning that the highest claim figures of those albums reported will be include in this list, as long as meet the requirement percentage of certification.

For those reason, i've try to make the claim figures of those albums in this list, is the highest and the best.

and (sorry to say) I'm successful to put the BEST claim figures in this list for Back in Black, The Bodyguard, ...Baby One More Time, Metallica, Nevermind, Supernatural, Come Away with Me, Legend: The Best of Bob Marley & The Wailers, True Blue, Whitney, and CrazySexyCool.

That's why i' still confuse and can not accept why Madonna's 1998-Hit Ray of Light has been removed from the list because ONE source (The Guardian) reported that album sold under 20m copies (16m).

It is very controversial about the claim figures of Ray of Light. There is a hot war between the editor who insist the album sold 16m with the others who still stand with the 20m claim.

As i REMEMBER, one editor in this list (Mauri'96) explained that with 12.25m in certification, Ray of Light is allow to get the 20m claim figures. And that album was place in this list before, but now has been removed.

The Guardian is the ONLY reliable source who's said the 16m claim of Ray of Light, compare with BBC, VH1, Irish Independent, Vogue, and The Nation which STAND with 20m figure for Ray of Light.

I'm asking to bring back that album into this list with the source from The National (http://www.thenational.ae/arts-culture/music/30-years-in-the-spotlight-madonnas-highs-and-lows) because the source is very reliable, many editors inside the news are from The Wall Street Journal and The Telegraph.

and for your reference, several albums in this also have their lowest claim figures such as :

Oasis's (What's the Story) Morning Glory? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2066114/Google-Street-View-captures-locations-iconic-rock-album-photos.html) 14m

Tina Turner's Private Dancer (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-tina-turner-19861023) 10m

Mariah Carey's Music Box (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1777172.stm) 20m

thanks.

Politsi (talk) 06:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

This is really more of a discussion/query than an edit request - so I've given it a section title, and hopefully some of the regular editors of this page can help you with those queries. Thanks. Begoon ^talk 06:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

This will not be changed. As you can plainly see, consensus was reached that 16 million would be reported.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 07:00, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I've restored Ray of Light to this list, because the consensus (per Nathain said) doesn't really conclude that we should "delete" Ray of Light's 20m claim all over Wikipedia. Only 3 users (out of 7) picked the 16 million figure, not even a half of voters. If you want to remove the album, then we should revise the criteria of this list. Please note: I have no objection at all to remove the album, but please be consistent with the criteria. Make a consensus, and then we will remove ALL albums which do not meet the revised criteria. Bluesatellite (talk) 08:00, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

This is not how it's going to work. First of all, there are four votes to 16 and all the rest to neutral. No one thinks 20 million is appropriate. As we have reached this consensus, this will take effect here as well. If you have objections with other albums sales, and have found lower sales and want to discuss them, then by all means (or if you want to establish a discussion about requirements here). But as of now, re-adding would be wrong.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:27, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

For you, Nathan. Let's talk about the other thing, perhaps this will be open your eyes. I understand how you feel as Mariah Carey's No. 1 Fans, you wanted Carey is better than any others female artists, including Madonna which is in fact better than Carey in many aspects.

I know, it feels so hurt for you when Madonna rules and lead this list with four albums, more than any others female artist (more than Carey, Dion, or even Houston).

Let's accept the fact Nathan, i'm telling this to you not because i'm Madonna fans but I hope we could be consistent with the rules in this list. and TREAT all artist in the list with respect and fair manner.

Madonna is better than Carey in worldwide sales records, influence, famous and even in Billboard Chart, where Carey always proud with her 18 No. 1 hits, but I'm sorry to say in the All Time List Billboard History, Madonna is the No. 1 female act, even better than Elvis Presley.

So please, i'm asking to all editor in this list. Please, Bring back Ray of Light to the list if that album is really deserve to gain a place in here.

thanks Politsi (talk) 05:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Following the consensus at Talk:Ray of Light, it is clear that the contradictory 20 million figure is not to be used anywhere on Wikipedia regarding the album's sales. If that is a problem for editors of this article, I recommend dialing down the requirements such that fictional or inflated numbers are not used. Binksternet (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Why can't we state the album sales in between 16-20 million like Thriller? Would that be wrong? 20 million might be a little inflated but a lot of reliable sources agree that that's the amount too. --Watquaza (talk) 00:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you, the reason why i'm so anger because this list is too PRAISE michael jackson, yep only him the only artist with claim figures really best. 39.209.169.244 (talk) 11:05, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Sales of Michael Jackson are inflated. Unfortunately, Wikipedia has a lot to do with it. Best regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 16:02, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 November 2012

Shania Twain's Come on Over has been placed in this list with 40m claim, and the certification sales of the album nearly reach 30m.

And incidentally i try to find the better claim figures for that album and i find the source from CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500187_162-569136.html) which claim Come on Over sold 44m.

But, unfortunately one of the editor rejected that claim and the reason is because the 40m claim is more reliable and the source from Forbes is better than CBS News.

The point is, as stated in the top of the article the highest claim figures will be added in this list. And we already have the source from CBS News, but Excuse me. CBS News is a very prestigious American News Division and the source from that is very reliable.

And i believe with 30m certification sales, is fit enough to support the 44m claim.

Why we not raised Come on Over claim figures to 44m?.

Please advise from others editor, perhaps? thanks

Politsi (talk) 11:10, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Vacation^nine 23:58, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

What does it means? just answer please, the 44m claim figures from CBS News for Shania Twain's Come on Over is reliable or not?. thank you Politsi (talk) 05:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. In the future, so I can easily see your response, change |answered=yes to |answered=no. In response to your question, I would recommend starting a discussion on this talkpage about the change and seeing what other users have to say. Vacation^nine 17:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 November 2012

Please advise, i'm not sure this is only happen in my computer or my internet connection only, there is something wrong with the claim figures for both Eminem's album. The Marshall Matters LP and The Eminem Show.

The source for both of claim is DEAD. i can not connect to the source at all.

Then, i've try to find a reliable source for those Eminem's album but seriously, i can not find it.

The only source which claim the 20m figures of Eminem is from Yahoo!Voices (http://voices.yahoo.com/eminem-fast-rising-rapper-8607941.html) for The Marshall Matters only. But, I don't think the source from Yahoo!Voices is reliable enough for this list.

SputnikMusic claim The Marshall Matters sold 19m (http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/52846/Eminem-The-Eminem-Show/)

I suggest to remove Eminem's Album from this list, because the source is really not clear and i believe we will agree to make this list very exclusive and reliable a lot.

What do you think ? thanks.

Politsi (talk) 12:12, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Vacation^nine 17:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Need opinion from the others editor, I will erase Eminem from this list because the source of the claim figures from his albums are DEAD. if any object with that, please advise. thanks Politsi (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

ROY/HIStory

Why is it that Ray of Light has been removed but HIStory has been re-added? There were many, and I emphasize that word, sources that supported a 20 million claim for Ray of Light that were quickly shut down but one source provided for HIStory and somehow it's back on the list? Another case of the Jackson bias that I have seen so much of here (72.203.147.78 (talk) 17:41, 21 November 2012 (UTC))

Impartiality

I think many albums should not figure, or simply should be change the sales. The biggest example (of this last thing) is: "Thriller"

It's most reasonable to estimate that the album has moved 50 to 65 million copies (110 million copies?, It's like you've sold another Thriller).

Some sources, listed chronologically:

• China Daily (2005) 51 million copies.

• St. Martin News Networks (CNN article, 2009 = Jackson death) 50 million copies.

• The New York Times (2006) which eventually racked up sales of 51 million copies globally, according to the Guinness World Records, making it the best-selling album in history.

• History Channel (as 2009) 45 million copies.

• Sarasota Herald-Tribune (2006) 50 million copies.

• The Age (2005) 50 million copies.

• SBS World News (2009) 50 million copies.

• MTV (2005) 50 million copies.

• BBC News (2006, November) 140 million copies "According to the same Jackson".

• MSNBC (2005) 50 million copies, but in 2006 beside Access Hollywood said it had sold 100 million copies.

• Piero Scaruffi (as after the death of Jackson) 100 million albums.

• Gotohoroscope (date?, 2004, maybe) 46 million copies

In Wikipedia, since this version (September, 2005) says: "[...]Worldwide, however, Thriller holds the record, sitting at approximately 51 million sales in The Guinness Book of Records" (Without reference course); Although have no reference in article, was credible the sale, because many media at the time they said. In this version (31 January 2006) 149.170.39.34 of UK, vandalized the page saying it had sold 60 million; after, 1 February 2006 Funky Monkey repaired it and added the reference: 51 million copies acording to Guinness World Records (1982-2006). But, in 28 April 2006, 194.129.210.61 (from UK) add: but some sources put the figure closer to 60 million citing as reference UKMIX Forums (Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:00 am; by the spam filter does not put the reference) and this remained. It can be seen then, vandalism of Inflation like this. In 4 november 2006, 68.52.73.111 of Tennessee add: Access Hollywood puts worldwide sales closer to 100 Million copies (The Return of King Pop). "Of course, that is entirely arbitrary, because, after all, the same year the Guinness Book of Records said it was 51 million and this certificate from Guinnes Book was handed over to Jackson himself [in his hands]"'. In later versions, 201.9.239.166 from Brazil, placed the Guinness Book of Records had certified 55 million copies, when obviously is a hoax; although this was removed after. In 14 november 139.133.7.37 of UK says: "According to the Guinness Book of Records(14.11.2006), Thriller is the world's all-time best selling album, with sales estimated at over 104 million copies". 0.234.242.196 from New Zelanda made a "Rv", but, Ashadeofgrey establish again. And successively "lowered or increased the sales", And at least in this version we can see that: "According to the Guinness Book of Records, Thriller is the world's all-time best selling album, with sales estimated at over 104 million copies (Pics of 104 million certificate)". [1], [2]... A terrible hoax all this, in that year, as I repeat, acording to Guinness World Records (1982-2006) Thriller has sold 51 million copies, but according to Wikipedia (as see successively in different versions), "Thriller has sold over 104 million acording to Guinness World Records". This remained so, up to say that Thriller has sold 110, 120 or even, 140 million copies.

Ultimately, it appears that more than 100 million units "Thriller" has sold is a hoax, then expanded to all wikis, and has many sources such as: MTV or Nat Geo Music. I think that in this articles as in other that mention the sales of "Thriller", must be drafted: "Thriller is the best-selling album of all time, with sales estimated by various sources as being between 50 and 65 million copies (not 65-100; not the highest reported numbers) worldwide". After all, sales are closest to their certifications (so before, during and after the death of Jackson). 110 million copies?, besides being thanks [[primary source a hoax, is subjective. Recall that until credibility sources have been based on Wikipedia, without seeing if they are true or fallacies, The Irish Times (media from 1859, very old) for example. Maybe it would be good explain in a note in "Thriller (album)", that although many have said that Thriller has sold 100, 110 million or more, is a hoax or, put that to avoid inflation, sales put more near their certifications (50 between 65). Best regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 02:35, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

AC/DC Genre Is Not "Heavy Metal"

AC/DC is a Hard Rock band. They are in no means a Metal band. This is a fairy simple thing to know if you listen to this kind of music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itaihay (talk • contribs) 20:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Genesis Invisible touch

If I am corrent Genesis "Invisible Touch" has sold 24 million copies, so I believe it should be on this list. I am not aware of the ceritified sales.

Is anybody able to check and if it is correct change this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timvdkam (talk • contribs) 22:13, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

It would be help and better if you find the reliable source from a Newspaper or Music Industry. Politsi (talk) 10:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

The Joshua Tree

U2's The Joshua Tree is claim 25m in this list by The Times. but unfortunately, that link has been DEAD already.

I've found the source from Tampa Bay Times which is claim that album sold 28m (http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/80s/content/new-u2-album-expected-early-2011)

I will raise the claim figures of the album to 28m. if any others editor feel that it is not appropriate due with Low sales certification or un-reliable source. Please inform, i will bring back that album to the previous claim. thanks Politsi (talk) 08:15, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, when i check again. the source is UN-RELIABLE. I'm cancel that. thanks Politsi (talk) 08:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2012

the source for Soundtrack albums in this list from The Hindustan Times, has been DEAD. we should change with a better reliable sources. thanks 39.209.137.75 (talk) 12:17, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - Could you please be more specific about which link you mean, and provide the updated reliable source, so that an editor can update it for you. Begoon ^talk 13:00, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done - see below

Thanks for your response begoon, i've already done that yesterday. The source of claim figures from Titanic Soundtrack, Grease, and Purple has been change with the newer and more reliable. thanks Politsi (talk) 01:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok - thanks - then I guess this takes care of the request? I'll mark it done, to avoid confusion. Begoon ^talk 01:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 December 2012

Listen, source of claim figure of 30m-seller Metallica from Sky news is seriously not properly, beside as i remember in the article it was stated NEARLY and not just simply sold.

this source is quite good enough for Metallica Black album claim figures. from San Fransisco Chronicle.

http://www.sfgate.com/music/article/Kirk-Hammett-Some-kind-of-monster-fan-3850850.php

thanks

182.6.221.34 (talk) 05:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 December 2012

Is it possible to include Ace of Base's Happy Nation/The Sign into 30m-list based on this reference?. please advise . thanks

(http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a169980/michael-jackson-a-fan-of-ace-of-base.html)

182.6.221.34 (talk) 06:00, 1 December 2012 (UTC)