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DYK for Gibraltar District School No. 2

On 1 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gibraltar District School No. 2, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Norwegians built Gibraltar's first school (pictured) in the 1860s? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gibraltar District School No. 2. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Please look at IvanOS contributions

After two-times he was blocked because of his activities he again continued with previous activities. After his blockade expired he again deleted my contributions. I then wrote him this message ([1]). Then he stop, but today he again took the opportunity to delete my contributions while deleting some of my other changes as "unnecessary" for articles. Thus, while deleting my new contributions, he again in some articles without explanation deleted my referenced names in minority languages (some examples: Mikluševci, Vera, Banovci, Vinkovački Banovci, Pačetin, Bršadin, Bobota, Trpinja...). I know that IvanOS and Sokac will say that it is all just dispute over content and that I'm trying to besmirch the reputation of IvanOS, but I think that this violence against my work is not acceptable for Wikipedia community, I think we have to respect work of others and operate transparently, not disguised. I try to have a constructive approach but this all becomes hard. I hope you were able to understand my English, and have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 20:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of flags from infoboxes is content dispute and I do not question that part. But while deleting this part he took the opportunity to again without explanation delete also sourced minority names. This he firstly done after his second blockade expired and than I warned him. Now he obviously thought that this action will not be noticed if he done it as a part of something else. Again, I do not make question on all of his yesterday's changes, I'm talking just about covert and unexplained deletion of referenced content on some of those pages. Have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:14, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am disappointed with such a behavior Mirko. First, without agreement changes articles, and later complaining on other users. :( --Sokac121 (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reward for those involved in April's First pranks

Hello Nyttend, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni ^↑talk↓ 03:04, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mail! :)

Hello, Nyttend. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.— Alison ^❤ 06:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

An oddity in the Ohio NRHP lists

The Hocking Valley Railway Historic District is listed in both Athens and Hocking Counties, but its two entries in the county listings point to different articles, neither of which is actually about the historic district. The Athens County list links to Hocking Valley Scenic Railway, which mentions the historic district but doesn't have an infobox or categories, while the Hocking County list links to Hocking Valley Railway, which doesn't even mention the historic district. I figure that either the district needs its own article or Hocking Valley Scenic Railway needs a bit of a rewrite, but I'm not sure what would be best, and you know Ohio better than I do. What do you think about it? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added the NRHP infobox and category to Hocking Valley Scenic Railway, so I think it's fine for now. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 18:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppet

I reported it days ago and nothing was done. Isn't there some "penalty" for excessive sockpuppetry? Platinum Star (talk) 23:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this user is after articles related to Televisa's telenovelas (current, old, or upcoming) and its actors/actresses. That, and some odd sports articles that I don't even know about. But what I can say is that he tends to duplicate an already existing article, as he always gets a message from a bot stating that. Platinum Star (talk) 02:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it was too vague. But I can still post additional comments as long as it's relevant, right? Platinum Star (talk) 02:58, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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A beer for you!

For sorting out the revision history at John Knox (British Army officer). Cheers! Ykraps (talk) 07:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Altaic Languages Admin Thread

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Hi Nyttend,

I started the Altaic Languages thread in the admin forum.

You locked the Altaic article in the wrong state -- the biased old version. My last attempted-neutral version is "04:47, 6 April 2013‎ AltaicNPOV".

The admin thread has been capriciously locked, with absolutely nothing resolved.

My attempts to post again to constructively point this out are being deleted, and my accounts banned. Utterly Kafkaeque situation.

Can you switch the article versions, and possibly ban the problem editors? Is there a long-term "controversial article" watchlist it can go on? Ymblanter has referred the article to the "Fringe Theories" forum (where nothing is happening), but "Macro-Altaic" isn't fringe, just not widely accepted.

Thanks, AltaicNPOV (currently banned) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.29.251 (talk) 12:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While the article is locked down, please can we have an appropriate tag on it such as {{disputed}} so that readers are aware of the issue and so may perhaps join the talk page discussion to help establish a better consensus? Warden (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Warden, you're my other friend. This has been such a random and abusive experience. Let's get my version up, which as you'll see pretty much agrees with the tone of the Britannica article, do any edits you think appropriate to polish it up, and then have it locked for life :)

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/17472/Altaic-languages

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Altaic_languages&oldid=548943722

These arguments about needing "specialist" sources are completely specious, and they always come from the people who (secretly) support "Macro-Altaic". They put down general references... but never offer up "specialist" surveys of language families of their own. And this would be because "specialists" are busy hawking their own theories, and pretty much by definition an overview treatment of the status of accepted language families is going to be a "generalist" work.

As to consensus in the article, Kwamikagami has really clearly identified himself as someone who intends to single-mindedly pursue a personal agenda. And there are at least 3 others on the article the same. This is why I tried to go to the admins. I think a judgement on what is "mainstream" theory, and what is less accepted needs to be decided at that level, and imposed as a requirement on the article. Just the general guidance that it needs to accord with X, Y, and Z known sources (e.g. Ethnologue), for the order of prominence for the different theories presented in the WIkipedia article.

AltaicNPOV

Please begin discussing this at the article page, not here. Nyttend (talk) 16:14, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nyttend! You're wonderful... but you've caused half the current problem by locking the article in the wrong state. And can we constructively discuss anything at the article prior to Kwamikagami and company being banned? Already tried discussing in article at length -- brick wall. Went to admins. Got worse. :)

Is there nothing you can do with you admin superpower, when you yourself agree both how skewed the article was, and how impossible Kwamikagami is?

Yours truly, AltaicNPOV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.161 (talk) 16:20, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We at least need an admin in the article Talk page acting as "coordinator/referee". Like, "OK first task is to establish who has what references, for what is generally accepted by linguistics about Altaic today". Submit your references between now and DATE. Admin tamps down on those criticizing my references while giving none of their own. And then admin pushes us to the conclusion, "so from these references, it does look like the article needs to convey that..." -- AltaicNPOV (who is sorry to take up your whole Talk page). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.161 (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As I said above, this is not the article's talk page. Nyttend (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Admin Responsibilities?

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Nyttend, why are you not available to do any admin functions on an article that you know is defective and controlled by trolls?

I'm not discussing any particular article, just the abstract question of what admins are supposed to do as their job (other than randomly blocking helpful editors), and where I find one to come deal with a problem article.

The Admin Noticeboard seemed to be that place, until someone cut off the discussion mid-sentence... with absolutely no help given, and the situation was back not to square one, but square minus-one with the article locked, the trolls celebrating their victory, and the public continuing to read an article that about 10 different admins know is a falsehood.

It's not a good process. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.30.161 (talk) 17:16, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is unreal. Surrealistic. I thought you were a good admin from your comments in the Admin Noticeboard thread. I'm going to have to start a complaint process against you to have your admin status revoked. You have caused active "damage and disruption" to the Altaic Languages article by locking it in the state that you yourself recognize as giving false information to Wikipedia readers — you're actively collaborating in producing a false Wikipedia article. This article could be used as a source in research for 10 books this week, to be read by millions. And you will do nothing to correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.2.76 (talk) 18:44, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. Nyttend (talk) 18:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Helena Historic District (Montana)

After a 3 or so month delay, this is in mainspace. Improvements welcome. I have 4 NRHP docs on this and the detail is amazing but I don't have time to put it all in right now. PumpkinSky talk 01:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you fix it per whatever the convention is for me? Why add the city to the name? There is only one Helena in Montana. Now my DYK nom is wrong.PumpkinSky talk 02:11, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Template:Did you know nominations/Helena Historic District (Montana)" is still wrong. And is it normal to have the city in the name? To me it's not needed but eh. I'll add the alt, good idea. PumpkinSky talk 02:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just renamed it. I still think the city name thing is superfulous ;-) PumpkinSky talk 02:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tempering

Saw the thing at Turpin site earlier. I was wondering what you thought of this. What if we add a definition to Glossary of pottery terms and redirected Tempering (ceramics) to it. I've never really been happy with using Tempering (metallurgy), but as you noted it is the closest we have at present. If anyone ever wanted to write the article on tempering for pottery, they could always expand the redirect. Thoughts? He iro 22:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, from the wording of the sentence at Turpin site, it probably was shell tempering, but I'd have to read the source to know for sure(it 404ed on me). Good luck with the trip and the photos! I'm heading there(Paducah) next week myself for a short trip. He iro 22:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Murals are here 37°05′18″N 88°35′39″W / 37.08830°N 88.59415°W / 37.08830; -88.59415, or at least, if you stand at this spot, you are looking at them. I updated coords at Tolu as best as I can figure from several sources, haven't been there to confirm in person. He iro 23:26, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your edit to Fairbanks North Star Borough, Alaska

I tagged the list of communities in that article as incomplete, as there were a slew of new CDPs in the 2010 Census, which few editors have gotten around to acknowledging the existence of. An editor responded to that by inserting data from the 1960 and 1970 Censuses, which I had already found and read over. I don't have access to that information right now; where I'm at, it's on microfilm and not on paper, so it would take me far too long to search. However, I have gone over Alaska population count data for every census (dating back to 1880), so I can address your point. I don't know if this is the same with other states, but the term "census-designated place" only appears starting with the 1980 Census. In 1960 and 1970, the term "unincorporated community" refers to much the same thing. Prior to that, the term "village" was used. I get the impression that these are functional equivalents, except that pre-CDP designations appear to apply more to strictly unincorporated urban areas than do the present CDPs.

Going through all this information reveals a greater problem. My read of past village pump discussions leads me to believe that most, if not all, of the community articles were mass-created by a bot based upon one particular census (2000, to be exact). Far too many of these articles, particularly articles on CDPs adjacent to cities which are often confused with that city, are little more than a dumping ground for census data, with little or any willingness on the part of editors to properly shepherd them. Once again, unless I'm not paying enough attention to what's being done with other states, this means that there are a number of CDPs recognized in the 1980, 1990 and 2010 Censuses which we are effectively treating as non-notable by not identifying them and creating articles for them. Sounds like bullshit to me.

Back to Fairbanks for a minute, a number of the communities listed are independently notable, even if no one has gotten around to creating articles for them. Graehl was historically a separate town from Fairbanks. That distinction began to be blurred starting in the 1930s, when construction of slough bridges began and the ferry across the Chena River was discontinued. Later, it was more or less completely eradicated when the southern terminus of the Steese Highway was realigned, bisecting the neighborhood and providing a direct link to downtown Fairbanks via newly-constructed bridges across the Chena. This happened twice, in 1953 (the present-day Old Steese Highway) and 1976 (the present-day Steese Expressway). Lemeta-Johnston may also be independently notable, though a lot of its notability has to do with one of the developers of Lemeta, Warren A. Taylor (the name "Lemeta" was taken from letters of the last names of the developers: Gradelle Leigh, George "Bud" Meyeres and Taylor). Most of Lemeta-Johnston's claim to notability lies in its rejection of annexation into Fairbanks in 1969. Obviously, they were later annexed. RadioKAOS – Talk to me, Billy 01:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) RadioKAOS, there are undiscoverd people on this planet whose knowledge of Alaska exceeds my quantum fold. BUT, if I can help, let me know. I do know that CDP designation can change, the US Fact finder of the latest 2010 data from the US Census folks changed a few CDP's in WV and KY and they do indeed change those often. I would very much like to learn more about AlaskaCoal town guy (talk) 01:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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	Back to Fairbanks for a minute, a number of the communities listed are independently notable, even if no one has gotten around to creating articles for them. Graehl was historically a separate town from Fairbanks. That distinction began to be blurred starting in the 1930s, when construction of slough bridges began and the ferry across the [[Chena River]] was discontinued. Later, it was more or less completely eradicated when the southern terminus of the [[Steese Highway]] was realigned, bisecting the neighborhood and providing a direct link to downtown Fairbanks via newly-constructed bridges across the Chena. This happened twice, in 1953 (the present-day Old Steese Highway) and 1976 (the present-day Steese Expressway). Lemeta-Johnston may also be independently notable, though a lot of its notability has to do with one of the developers of Lemeta, [[Warren A. Taylor]] (the name "Lemeta" was taken from letters of the last names of the developers: Gradelle '''Le'''igh, George "Bud" '''Me'''yeres and '''Ta'''ylor). Most of Lemeta-Johnston's claim to notability lies in its rejection of annexation into Fairbanks in 1969. Obviously, they were later annexed.[[User:RadioKAOS\|<span style="color:green;"> RadioKAOS </span>]] – [[User talk:RadioKAOS\|<span style="color:green;"> Talk to me, Billy </span>]] 01:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)		Back to Fairbanks for a minute, a number of the communities listed are independently notable, even if no one has gotten around to creating articles for them. Graehl was historically a separate town from Fairbanks. That distinction began to be blurred starting in the 1930s, when construction of slough bridges began and the ferry across the [[Chena River]] was discontinued. Later, it was more or less completely eradicated when the southern terminus of the [[Steese Highway]] was realigned, bisecting the neighborhood and providing a direct link to downtown Fairbanks via newly-constructed bridges across the Chena. This happened twice, in 1953 (the present-day Old Steese Highway) and 1976 (the present-day Steese Expressway). Lemeta-Johnston may also be independently notable, though a lot of its notability has to do with one of the developers of Lemeta, [[Warren A. Taylor]] (the name "Lemeta" was taken from letters of the last names of the developers: Gradelle '''Le'''igh, George "Bud" '''Me'''yeres and '''Ta'''ylor). Most of Lemeta-Johnston's claim to notability lies in its rejection of annexation into Fairbanks in 1969. Obviously, they were later annexed.[[User:RadioKAOS\|<span style="color:green;"> RadioKAOS </span>]] – [[User talk:RadioKAOS\|<span style="color:green;"> Talk to me, Billy </span>]] 01:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
			:::{{tps}} RadioKAOS, there are undiscoverd people on this planet whose knowledge of Alaska exceeds my quantum fold. BUT, if I can help, let me know. I do know that CDP designation can change, the US Fact finder of the latest 2010 data from the US Census folks changed a few CDP's in WV and KY and they do indeed change those often. I would very much like to learn more about Alaska[[User:Coal town guy\|Coal town guy]] ([[User talk:Coal town guy\|talk]]) 01:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)