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*::: I think this template is [[wp:undue|undue]] on that page, not to mention the whole topic of Indo-Aryan migrations. However, the template seems to have broken some formatting code. After I checked the history and reloaded the page, the problem went away. I don't know if that is what you meant by "this is what happens." [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 09:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
*::: I think this template is [[wp:undue|undue]] on that page, not to mention the whole topic of Indo-Aryan migrations. However, the template seems to have broken some formatting code. After I checked the history and reloaded the page, the problem went away. I don't know if that is what you meant by "this is what happens." [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 09:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
*:::: Sidebars are hidden on mobile; mobile users can see none of these images. [[User:Alakzi|Alakzi]] ([[User talk:Alakzi|talk]]) 12:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
*:::: Sidebars are hidden on mobile; mobile users can see none of these images. [[User:Alakzi|Alakzi]] ([[User talk:Alakzi|talk]]) 12:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' One of the most frequently [[File talk:IE expansion.png|used map]] of these templates has a number of mistakes, it should be used in lower resolution. Till November 2013, it used to be the main map of the alternative <nowiki>{{Indo-European topics}}</nowiki> Last one, concerning the so called "spread of Vedic culture", is extreme and superfluous, it refers to a [https://books.google.com/books?id=5jG1eHe3y4EC&pg=PA42&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false a book] whose first line starts with the doubt and offers no support to the template. Templates are not for illustrating a point. [[User:OccultZone|'''<span style="color:DarkBlue;">Occult</span><span style="color:blue;">Zone</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:OccultZone#Top|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/OccultZone|Contributions]] • [[Special:Log/OccultZone|Log]])</small> 15:48, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


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Template:Islamism in Bangladesh

Template:Islamism in Bangladesh (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Misleading title and provocative content carried out by BengaliHindu's propaganda activities as Bangladesh is a Muslim majority country and its state religion is Islam according to constitution. Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 21:41, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Solid Keep. For Baal's sake, this is one of the most overtly partisan, WP:BADFAITH noms I've yet seen. (Nom has been aggressively AfDing every article BengaliHindu has created or been extensively involved in.) The nom's own AfD rationale is in fact the strongest possible argument in support of keeping and expanding the template. I.e., If Bangladesh is an Islamic state now, then the topic of Islamism in Bangladesh is obviously notable. Pax 23:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why my rationale is irrelevant?? Muslim in Bangladesh is 89.56%, capital Dhaka is the City of Mosque, its state religion is Islam according to constitution. In what way, Islamization in Bangladesh is possible? Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 09:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Islamism is a political ideology. I don't see any recognition of that fact in what you write. Even a country that has Islam as a State religion can make varying use of Islam in its governance and politics. The supposed logical flaw that you allude to doesn't exist. Kautilya3 (talk) 09:56, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Kautilya3, you should present its necessity rather than understanding simple facts. Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 16:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
To even pretend that Islamism is not a looming factor in Bangladesh is willful evasion of reality.[1],[2],[3],[4],[5],[6],etc. Pax 22:28, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a policy prohibiting an entity from being listed in more than one template? Pax 22:28, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No, there is no such policy. The point is that one of these is a subtemplate of the other. So, the two templates would go on very much the same pages listing very much the same links. That would be pointless. Since these are navigation aids, we should prefer the larger template to the smaller one. What BengaliHindu needs a real page on Islamism in Bangladesh. But that will involve doing real work, not just gathering together a bunch of links. Kautilya3 (talk) 22:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chicago style

Template:Chicago style (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This needs to be changed to an edit notice, not a section notice. Used in one article.  Gadget850 talk 21:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Generalise, perhaps? Per WP:CITEVAR, changing an article's citation style is discouraged. If it's to be kept, it should be made an edit notice. Frankly, I don't think that it's needed; notices ought to be reserved for more grievous offences. Therefore, I'd also support deletion. Alakzi (talk) 00:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Though certainly permitted, and I would certainly argue that it should continue to be permitted, the use of this style is relatively uncommon here for most types of articles, and the template is needed to prevent people from incorrectly trying to change it. This is sipper and clearer than any generalized template could be. DGG ( talk ) 21:02, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Atlantic Coast Conference business school navbox

Template:American Athletic Conference law school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:American Athletic Conference med school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Atlantic Coast Conference business school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Atlantic Coast Conference engineering school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Atlantic Coast Conference law school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Atlantic Coast Conference medical school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Ten Conference business school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Ten Conference engineering school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Ten Conference law school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Ten Med Schools (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ivy League engineering school navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete all per previous TfD discussion and deletion of similar navboxes @Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 October 15; in that prior TfD discussion, we have already deleted navboxes for Southeastern Conference student newspapers and mass transit systems. The subjects of these navboxes are various constituent academic colleges and schools of the member universities of specific college athletic conferences. Colleges of business, engineering, law and medicine are not college varsity sports teams, and they are not directly related to the universities' membership in their athletic conferences. The prestige and academic reputation of these colleges and schools are not dependent on the membership of their parent universities in these athletic conferences. In fact, the universities' membership in such sports conferences has little, if anything, to do with the universities' constituent colleges and schools: these are college sports conferences, not academic associations. To help discussion participants better evaluate these attenuated relationships in Wikipedia terms, here are the five WP:NAVBOX criteria for evaluating whether a particular subject may be appropriate for a navbox:

"1. All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject.
"2. The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.
"3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent.
"4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.
"5. You would want to list many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles."

In my opinion, all of these navboxes fail criteria nos. 2, 3, 4 and 5 -- and these criteria, including the absence of stand-alone articles for these topics, strongly suggest that these are not appropriate navbox topics. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • @TonyTheTiger: No, for the simple reason that the Ivy League business, law and med schools are actually supported by existing list articles, and there is some academic reputational validity to those three groupings, so they are not situated similarly to the AAC, ACC, Big Ten, Pac-12 and SEC groupings. In fairness, I plan to submit those three Ivy League navboxes in a separate TfD to permit them to be judged on their own merits, without confusing this TfD discussion. (I also responded to your inquiry on my user talk page, tony.) Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Spread of IE-languages

Template:Spread of IE-languages (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Indo-Aryan migration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Spread of Vedic culture (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template must not include any maps but only links to other articles. Hajme 17:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all as nominator suggests. Bladesmulti (talk) 07:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Useful oversight of Indo-European and Indo-Aryan migrations. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mildly support deletion I think the four maps do a good job of succinctly presenting the spread of IE languages. However, templates are navigation aids, not mechanisms for content delivery and perhaps there are more appropriate ways of conveying the same information. --regentspark (comment) 15:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I don't see any policy or guideline that says "templates must not include any maps". So, this is a spurious TfD as far as I am concerned. These templates are eminently valuable for transcluding a standardized collection of content across several pages. It might be that nobody ever used templates to transclude images but, if so, JJ deserves an award for innovation, not a TfD! Kautilya3 (talk) 18:46, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Kautilya3, JJ has done a splendid job with the maps and I quite like the succinct way in which the information is presented. It is definitely very clear.. But, it is not a good idea to use templates for content purposes because they are indirectly adding content rather than directly doing so. Where, for example, would we debate the accuracy of the content of the template? In the less traveled template talk page or on some content page? If on a content page, then which one? If it gets debated and removed from, say, History of India then what about the (presumably) less traveled Hinduism in Iran page? Content should always be included clearly so that it is open to debate and consensus formation and this - just looking at the long list of pages where it is transcluded - doesn't meet that requirement. The view presented by JJ on IE migration is the generally accepted one and I agree with that part of the content, what I disagree with is the method by which the view is being disseminated. It is not appropriate. --regentspark (comment) 19:52, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    You certainly have a point that the template's talk page would be less well-travelled. But the counterpoint is that the template makes it possible to keep all the pages consistent. If the material is duplicated on several pages, then it would be harder to maintain. You can fix it in one place, but you have no idea where else the same problematic content has been duplicated. A template is a better way to maintain consistency. Moreover, important templates get a lot of traffic too. See for example the revision history of Template:Sangh Parivar. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's also {{Indo-European migration}}. Alakzi (talk) 19:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not a good use of {{sidebar}}, and content should be collapsed only sparingly, if ever. If there's not enough space to float these images, they should be placed in a WP:GALLERY. Alakzi (talk) 19:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I have read pretty much all the pages where these templates appear. I can vouch for the fact that they work brilliantly, brining to life the various geographic regions mentioned on the pages. I haven't found any problem with the templates being collapsed or expanded. (There was a problem initially when it wasn't clear that it was a template, but JJ fixed it.) Kautilya3 (talk) 22:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    This is what happens to sidebars on mobile. Also, collapsed content is bad usability. Alakzi (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    I think this template is undue on that page, not to mention the whole topic of Indo-Aryan migrations. However, the template seems to have broken some formatting code. After I checked the history and reloaded the page, the problem went away. I don't know if that is what you meant by "this is what happens." Kautilya3 (talk) 09:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Sidebars are hidden on mobile; mobile users can see none of these images. Alakzi (talk) 12:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete One of the most frequently used map of these templates has a number of mistakes, it should be used in lower resolution. Till November 2013, it used to be the main map of the alternative {{Indo-European topics}} Last one, concerning the so called "spread of Vedic culture", is extreme and superfluous, it refers to a a book whose first line starts with the doubt and offers no support to the template. Templates are not for illustrating a point. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:48, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Aspect

Template:Aspect (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Vanity template for non-notable band. Used only on one userpage. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 17:46, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete – Seems to feign notability by adding all the notable artists they've covered on the bottom, but I can't find anything that makes them notable. TCN7JM 20:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • We might not be notable yet, but we're doing gigs and small shows, and this is a big deal for everyone involved. It's funny, one template is accepted using one method, and the next is not... anyway, I created it so that it adds that extra little bit of information in the form of a template, because that's basically what all other artists use, notable or not. If I'm dedicating a large piece of my user page to Aspect, then I thought a template would be a great way to finish it off. It's just a personal thing that I've added to the page to say that I've contributed in that sort of way. If it were to be kept, within the next year it wouldn't look as simple as it does. Please, don't delete the template. (talk)4TheWynne(cont) 20:39, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination rationale: non-notable band; all but one of the working links are to articles about those notable bands whose songs have been covered by the subject band. The last link (the subject band's name) is actually a redirect to the article about the lead singer. This violates so many of the WP:NAVBOX criteria I don't even know where to start. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:58, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Firstly, it directs to the user page of the bass player. Secondly, if I'm just using it as an aid for my user page (and nothing else), then despite the violations, is it really that big a deal? Can't I just keep it there where it (seemingly) won't bother anyone with its non-notability? (talk)4TheWynne(cont) 21:04, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Dirtlawyer1, or userfy if 4TheWynne wants to keep it for personal use. Alakzi (talk) 00:35, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I left instructions on 4TheWynne's talk page on how to userify this. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 01:28, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I've tried the idea, and I hope it works. (talk)4TheWynne(cont) 04:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Atlantic Coast Conference student newspaper navbox

Template:American Athletic Conference student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Atlantic Coast Conference student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Atlantic Coast Conference student radio station navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Sky Conference student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Sky Conference student radio navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Ten Conference student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big Ten Conference student radio station navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Big 12 Conference student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Conference USA student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ivy League student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Ivy League student radio station navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pacific-12 Conference student newspaper navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Pacific-12 Conference student radio navbox (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Delete all per previous TfD discussion and deletion of similar navboxes @Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 October 15; in that prior TfD discussion, we have already deleted navboxes for Southeastern Conference student newspapers and mass transit systems. The subject of these navboxes is student newspapers and other student media at member universities of the identified athletic conferences. Student newspapers and media are not college varsity sports teams, and are not related to the universities' membership in these athletic conferences. Here are the five WP:NAVBOX criteria for evaluating whether a particular subject may be appropriate for a navbox:

"1. All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject.
"2. The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article.
"3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent.
"4. There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template.
"5. You would want to list many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles."

In my opinion, all of these navboxes fail criteria nos. 2, 3, 4 and 5 -- and these criteria, including the absence of stand-alone articles for these topics, strongly suggest that these are not appropriate navbox topics.Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Timetable of South Asia

Template:Timetable of South Asia (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

extremely large collapsed table which really should only be used in one article, we already have {{History of South Asia}}. Frietjes (talk) 15:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Template:F1 games dino

Template:F1 games dino (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

unused, unedited since 2010 NSH002 (talk) 14:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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