User talk:Thakor Sumant Sinhji Jhala

December 2018

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Shevdivadar; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

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Template:Z33 ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 12:56, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I Don't Know How To Revert The Page

I Don't Know How To Revert The Page Loke You. somebody editing wrong information In shevdivadar page Thakor Sumant Sinhji Jhala (talk) 12:57, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

January 2019

I have reverted additions that you made to two Wikipedia articles today. Unfortunately, both your additions were written in poor English and had poor grammar and sentence structure which would make it very hard for a reader to follow and understand the material you have added. While I do not wish to discourage you from contributing to Wikipedia, I think you will need to improve your written English if you wish to make major additions or changes to English Wikipedia articles. Thanks. --Chewings72 (talk) 11:27, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Welcome!

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Caste affiliation

Please read the information at User:Sitush/Common#Castelists before adding any more names to lists. It is not sufficient for a source to say that a living person is a Koli - the source has to show that the person themselves says it, ie: they self-identify.

Also, I think there may be an issue regarding the workd Koli itself, which may refer to Koli people or Kori caste, which are apparently different things. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm also a koli and kori. We are one , peoples call us koli and kori

Can't take your word for it, I'm afraid. Have you looked at the Kori caste article? That seems to say that they are different things, even though Kori are sometimes called Koli. - Sitush (talk) 13:59, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello Thakor Sumant Sinhji Jhala, and welcome to Wikipedia. All or some of your addition(s) to Kheda have been removed, as they appear to have added copyrighted material without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues here.

• You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
• Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. (There is a college-level introduction to paraphrase, with examples, hosted by the Online Writing Lab of Purdue.) Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
• Our primary policy on using copyrighted content is Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may also want to review Wikipedia:Copy-paste.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Sitush (talk) 13:58, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Copying

Please stop copying stuff to Wikipedia from this blog. - Sitush (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Think again?

I think you should reconsider your interests here. Aside from the issues above, which impact on many of your edits, I and other people have also had to revert you because of very poor phrasing, use of inappropriate sources and a very obvious attempt to "promote" Koli people regardless of whether their alleged Koli status even mattered. Not every edit of yours has been poor - there are at least four or five that were ok, where you limited yourself to linking something (Koli people, usually, as it happens).

Please read the information below. If you continue to contribute in this tricky area of caste articles, and in particular if you maintain close to one particular topic within it, such as Koli stuff, then you are going to have to up your game, which probably involves taking things much slower, asking about things before doing them, and spending more time familiarising yourself with how things work here. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 16:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The Wikipedia community has permitted administrators to impose discretionary sanctions on any editor who is active on any page about social groups, explicitly including caste associations and political parties, related to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal. Discretionary sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process. If you engage in inappropriate behavior in this area, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or a topic ban. The discussion leading to the imposition of these sanctions can be read here. Please familiarise yourself with the information page at Wikipedia:General sanctions/South Asian social groups.

And you have just done it again here. That is an edit of yours that I reverted previously only a few hours ago and will now have to revert again. The fact, if indeed it is a fact, that one admiral was a Koli is not significant to our article, and using a newspaper interview to support an alleged factual statement about something that happened centuries ago is not good practice - if it is significant then academic sources will have covered it. In addition, the source doesn't even say what our sentence now says following your change: the source says that one admiral was a Koli but the sentence implies that a multitude of Koli people were in charge, which tends to suggest that many of the ships were captained by them etc. I'm pinging Bishonen because this is getting silly - it took me a couple of hours to fix all of your edits since December and I'm not particularly keen on the idea of this being an ongoing situation. We all make mistakes but when someone consistently makes similar mistakes then that is a problem. - Sitush (talk) 06:06, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

This is another. We do not use Raj era sources for statements about caste/tribe affiliations etc. I know that you did not add those sources and that they do not say what the article said before your arrival, but nor do they say Chauhan, which you have left in there or Kshatriya, which you added. As I am sure you are aware, Chauhans are not Kolis, and while our article for Thakor has recently said that Thakors are Kshatriya (you edited it that way), that also is not sourced properly, it is inappropriate to assume that the same applies at some other article, and it is in fact a logical implausibility because Koli people are tribal and Kshatriya is a Hindu caste/varna concept - tribal people are not part of the Hindu caste system and so claiming such a title is pretty much rewriting history to suit some sort of personal glorification agenda. What you should have done, I think, is remove the Raj sources and all mentions of caste that are reliant on them, replacing with {{cn}}. I will do that now. - Sitush (talk) 06:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Your edit here is wrong because the source does not say it was named after him, although it does mention him and the place. - Sitush (talk) 06:55, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm leaving Wikipedia right now. You discouraged me. I'm not providing wrong information but you removed my all information. Good Bye Sitush Bitush Kitush

Whether the information is right or wrong is not the point. You have to comply with our policies and guidelines and cannot just write what you think to be correct - see, particularly, the information at WP:V. You don't have to leave, merely amend your approach. - Sitush (talk) 07:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I see there are problems with the user's contributions. Even though I do believe they contribute in good faith, it's not acceptable to have a situation where a highly competent editor like Sitush has to spend hours fixing their edits, and where I can't see any learning curve. Thakor Sumant Sinhji Jhala, if you are indeed leaving Wikipedia (and note that you don't have to do that, as Sitush says), I won't bother you with any sanctions right now. But if you continue editing, it seems likely that I will have to limit the kinds of contributions you're allowed to make, by banning you from caste-related topics. Bishonen | talk 12:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC).

They are still doing it, Bishonen - see this, which has the added anomaly regarding the use of kshatriya as I mentioned to them up above ^^ . - Sitush (talk) 18:15, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

And what the heck is the "Disbanding" section of this? I suspect that, as with many other of their larger edits, it is all a copy/paste from somewhere and it has got mangled. - Sitush (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Yep, most of that article was copied from this, which is the same blog that this user has already be warned about copying from at multiple other articles. - Sitush (talk) 19:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

You have been topic banned from caste-related pages

For persistent disruptive editing on caste pages and lack of understanding of explanations and warnings, I have decided, in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the terms of this community discussion, to impose the following sanction on you:

You have been indefinitely banned from making any edits to pages related to caste or social groups.

This sanction has been logged at Wikipedia:General sanctions/South Asian social groups. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction to the community at the administrators' noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me on my talk page, before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Bishonen | talk 20:47, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

• Compare my warning above. I hope you understand this sanction, Thakor Sumant Sinhji Jhala. It means that you are not allowed to edit any pages that have to do with caste or social groups. You are welcome to edit the rest of Wikipedia, but if you edit pages that have to do with caste or social groups, you will be blocked. Bishonen | talk 20:47, 5 January 2019 (UTC).