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*'''Support'''. I think this makes the most sense. LMC was a short lived entity that was just the leftovers of the bankruptcy process. Given its tied to the larger bankruptcy story it makes sense to merge into the easier to find term/article about the GM bankruptcy. Non bankruptcy material about either old or new GM should be in the General Motors Company article as it was originally the GM Corporation article and is the common name article. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 13:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. I think this makes the most sense. LMC was a short lived entity that was just the leftovers of the bankruptcy process. Given its tied to the larger bankruptcy story it makes sense to merge into the easier to find term/article about the GM bankruptcy. Non bankruptcy material about either old or new GM should be in the General Motors Company article as it was originally the GM Corporation article and is the common name article. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 13:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
::You {{diff2|671190410|deleted}} the [[General_Motors#Chapter_11_bankruptcy|Chapter 11 bankruptcy]] section from article [[General Motors]] without prior discussion. Your deletion removed numerous reliable sources from the article, including ''[[The New York Times]]'', ''[[The Wall Street Journal]]'', [[Reuters]], and ''[[USA Today]]''. You reduced the coverage of the bankruptcy, bail-out, and restructuring in article [[General Motors]] to one, unreferenced sentence, "GM filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in June 2009." [[WP:DUE|Due weight]] of content in Wikipedia is proportional to coverage in reliable sources. Please do not merge without clear, wide support. [[Special:Contributions/13.112.55.43|13.112.55.43]] ([[User talk:13.112.55.43|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Oppose merger. Oppose deletion of article [[Motors Liquidation Company]]. The [[Motors Liquidation Company]] is very clearly [[WP:N| generally notable]] as documented by the generous [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in article [[Motors Liquidation Company]]. The [[Motors Liquidation Company]] is one of many independently notable actors in the story of the [[General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization]]; others include the [[General Motors Corporation]], the [[General Motors Company]], the federal bankruptcy court, the US Treasury, the Bush administration, the Obama administration, and others. All of these must be represented in Wikipedia [[WP:DUE|according to their representation in reliable sources.]] One of the most notable aspects of General Motors is that it would not exist without the intervention of the federal government and the [[Motors Liquidation Company]] played a key role. The bankruptcy, bail-out, and reorganization no matter how unpleasant must be given [[WP:DUE|due weight]]. Though related, the [[General Motors Corporation]] is not the same thing as the [[General Motors Company]] and so Wikipedia cannot say or imply that they are. Duplication of content and sources between articles is ''required'' by policy; policy specifies that article [[General Motors]] ''[[WP:SUMMARYSTYLE|summarizes]]'' [[General Motors Corporation]], [[Motors Liquidation Company]], [[General Motors Company]], and others. [[Special:Contributions/35.165.116.166|35.165.116.166]] ([[User talk:35.165.116.166|talk]]) 21:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC) {{spa|35.165.116.166}}
*'''Oppose''' Oppose merger. Oppose deletion of article [[Motors Liquidation Company]]. The [[Motors Liquidation Company]] is very clearly [[WP:N| generally notable]] as documented by the generous [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] in article [[Motors Liquidation Company]]. The [[Motors Liquidation Company]] is one of many independently notable actors in the story of the [[General Motors Chapter 11 reorganization]]; others include the [[General Motors Corporation]], the [[General Motors Company]], the federal bankruptcy court, the US Treasury, the Bush administration, the Obama administration, and others. All of these must be represented in Wikipedia [[WP:DUE|according to their representation in reliable sources.]] One of the most notable aspects of General Motors is that it would not exist without the intervention of the federal government and the [[Motors Liquidation Company]] played a key role. The bankruptcy, bail-out, and reorganization no matter how unpleasant must be given [[WP:DUE|due weight]]. Though related, the [[General Motors Corporation]] is not the same thing as the [[General Motors Company]] and so Wikipedia cannot say or imply that they are. Duplication of content and sources between articles is ''required'' by policy; policy specifies that article [[General Motors]] ''[[WP:SUMMARYSTYLE|summarizes]]'' [[General Motors Corporation]], [[Motors Liquidation Company]], [[General Motors Company]], and others. [[Special:Contributions/35.165.116.166|35.165.116.166]] ([[User talk:35.165.116.166|talk]]) 21:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC) {{spa|35.165.116.166}}
::No one is proposing removing the content. The content is clearly WP:NOTE. However, the proposal here is to merge that information into the General Motors Bankruptcy article rather than have it in two locations. The discussion of GM Company vs GM Corp is irrelivent to this discussion as "Liquidation Motors Corp" was never a car manufacture. By the time the company had that name it was only a holding company. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 01:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
::No one is proposing removing the content. The content is clearly WP:NOTE. However, the proposal here is to merge that information into the General Motors Bankruptcy article rather than have it in two locations. The discussion of GM Company vs GM Corp is irrelivent to this discussion as "Liquidation Motors Corp" was never a car manufacture. By the time the company had that name it was only a holding company. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 01:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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Canada

Canadian press is reporting that speculation is that GM Canada is actually profitable, and is why the wholly owned subsidiary was not filing for bankruptcy at the same time as the parent company. 70.29.208.129 (talk) 14:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation would be the description. Not one foreign subsidiary was included in the bankruptcy filings. As such, the valuable international operations and assets may be transferred without delay to the new GM entity, Vehicle Acquisition Holdings LLC, or any other willing buyer, without further delay, as complete entities. This prevents any local sovereign interference, operating under diverse local receivership laws and courts from slowing down a corporate reorganization of the holding company, General Motors. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 02:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pontiac

This article should mention the Pontiac closure in the pre-bankruptcy section.

Is there any interest in selling/buying Pontiac? 70.29.212.226 (talk) 00:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which plants with how many workers have been abandoned?

I mean, which facilities have been left in the Motors Liquidation Company to be closed? --L.Willms (talk) 00:05, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

EST?

Why does it say 8:00am EST when June 1 would have been EDT in New York? 216.221.64.101 (talk) 14:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion of Table ... Board Compensation and Investor Loss

Would be nice to see what the 'fruits' of this bankruptcy resulted to the 'affected' parties in valuation (So to be specific: Board compensation packages for one and estimated investor 'losses'). Probably pocket change wrt the big picture of the whole proceeding, but still a valid reference to articulate on this subject (in what I perceive to be NPOV 'update'). In short: see how much the little guy (investors) 'lost' and how much the big guys 'made'.

Expansion of Table ... Board Compensation and Investor Loss

Would be nice to see what the 'fruits' of this bankruptcy resulted to the 'affected' parties in valuation (So to be specific: Board compensation packages for one and estimated investor 'losses'). Probably pocket change wrt the big picture of the whole proceeding, but still a valid reference to articulate on this subject (in what I perceive to be NPOV 'update'). In short: see how much the little guy (investors) 'lost' and how much the big guys 'made'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.84.28 (talk) 03:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oldsmobile

Where's Oldsmobile?68.229.201.104 (talk) 23:43, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oldsmobile was phased out between 2000-2004, long before the Chapter 11 reorganization. --Vossanova o< 18:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal

Motors Liquidation Company and this article largely overlap (bankruptcy proceedings, sales of Saturn, Hummer etc) and it's quite confusing to have two separate articles, Motors Liquidation Company and General Motors, that cover essentially the same company (notwithstanding the change of legal entity). It's unclear where and how the history of GM should be split, between the two articles above (as this discussion shows), therefore it's much better to just get rid of the former by merging it to where it belongs: here. --Deeday-UK (talk) 09:37, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. I think this makes the most sense. LMC was a short lived entity that was just the leftovers of the bankruptcy process. Given its tied to the larger bankruptcy story it makes sense to merge into the easier to find term/article about the GM bankruptcy. Non bankruptcy material about either old or new GM should be in the General Motors Company article as it was originally the GM Corporation article and is the common name article. Springee (talk) 13:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You deleted the Chapter 11 bankruptcy section from article General Motors without prior discussion. Your deletion removed numerous reliable sources from the article, including The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Reuters, and USA Today. You reduced the coverage of the bankruptcy, bail-out, and restructuring in article General Motors to one, unreferenced sentence, "GM filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in June 2009." Due weight of content in Wikipedia is proportional to coverage in reliable sources. Please do not merge without clear, wide support. 13.112.55.43 (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No one is proposing removing the content. The content is clearly WP:NOTE. However, the proposal here is to merge that information into the General Motors Bankruptcy article rather than have it in two locations. The discussion of GM Company vs GM Corp is irrelivent to this discussion as "Liquidation Motors Corp" was never a car manufacture. By the time the company had that name it was only a holding company. Springee (talk) 01:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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