User talk:Primefac

Deletion of Important references

Hi, A lot of important references of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjib_Kumar_Karmee was deleted. Do you think a scientist among world's top 2% does not deserve space in wikipedia? Kindly advise how to proceed. Kdis98 (talk) 10:25, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

My apologies, I almost always do a copyvio check first, removing the offending content (and leaving the references) before doing any major cleanup to the article (thereby preserving the references in the history). This time (if I remember correctly) the copyvio checker was not behaving as expected and I did not get results until after my cleanup. I have restored the removed references. However, please keep in mind my comments regarding the bombardment of references. Just because the references are there doesn't mean they must be used.

Regarding the "2% of scientists" claim: this is not the first time I've seen that statement be made, and quite honestly I do not think the sources you are using are doing justice to that claim; I have searched through every piece of information provided by the researchers themselves, and unless I'm missing a data dump there is no inclusion of nationality (or in this case, of Karmee himself) in the data set, and I feel like the mystery provider of the Google Sheet listed in one of the references has done some original research to get this magical "2%" figure.

And also, as a minor point, even if the claims are true, it's not "the top 2% in the world", it's "the top 2% in India in the field of bioenergy"; Karmee is very far down the "worldwide" list. So no, I do not think that a scientist in the top 2% of a subsection of a subsection of the world's researchers is "automatically" notable. Primefac (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Dear Sir/Madam,

His worldwide rank in biotechnology discipline is 726 and he is among top 1.442. It is not subsection of a subsection. https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article33043379.ece/binary/IndiansWorldRanking.pdf

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/vadodara/gujarat-scientists-bag-global-honour/articleshow/79048679.cms

In addition, Karmee has also worked for social upliftment of western Odisha.Combing all these points the subject is notable. You may consider it for further review. Thanks! Kdis98 (talk) 13:38, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

My point is more that The Hindu is the only place I've seen these "modified" results, the original data does not contain any of the information seen on those tables, which is why I view it as highly suspect. I could very well be wrong, but looking at huge datasets and interpreting them is something I do often. Wanting to improve his home area is commendable, but that in and of itself does not make one notable. Primefac (talk) 13:50, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Dear Sir/Madam, Kindly look at the excel sheet available on IISc Bangalore website: Ranking of top 2% scientist from India - CPDM IISc (cpdm.iisc.ac.in › cpdm › World_Ranking XLS) shorturl.at/wACJO Kdis98 (talk) 15:08, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kdis98: What's your connection with Sanjib Kumar Karmee. Are you being paid to write this article or do you work for them/with them ? It has been your sole item of editing on Wikipedia for more than half a year now.

I've looked through both the Google Sheet that you've shared, and the original file from which it's derived (without attribution - somewhat dubious in the land of academia) and whilst I recognise Karmee is ranked as one of the top 2% of scientists in his field globally, he's down somewhere at 145,000 on the list. I've therefore looked at citation count and h-index and neither measure is particularly high, which would lead me to reject the suggestion they're notable per WP:NPROF. I don't see any evidence of more generic notability per WP:GNG so I'm afraid, at this time, I must endorse the decision to decline the article. Nick (talk) 15:30, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I am not paid nor I work with them. I saw a news item in the news paper. And thought of writing the article. H index 18-20 is very good for young scientists with 33 papers. Also, number of citations per paper is good I guess. Kdis98 (talk) 15:38, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I am a beginner in wiki. I will edit and create more profiles. Kdis98 (talk) 15:43, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Dear Sir/Madam, With your permission, I would like to make one more point. How many scientists develop pilot scale technologies? How many scientists are converting lab scale into pilot scale process? In the context, GHGs emission and global warming this process is important: Odia scientist-led team develops tech for producing biofuel Kdis98 (talk) 15:59, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

You may kindly check:https://www.dailypioneer.com/2020/state-editions/odia-scientist-led-team-develops-tech-for-producing-biofuel.html Kdis98 (talk) 16:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

So that's a good thing to demonstrate notability, but there is still the issue that almost none of the sources talk about Karmee in any detail; it's well and good to be involved in important projects, but if the only mention of a person is "he runs it" then he's not really that important overall! WP:GNG can be summed up as significant coverage in reliable, independent sources; so far you have only demonstrated the second half of that. If you can find a few really good (independent) sources that talk about him, especially if it's in relation to this biofuel project, you will have a much easier time convincing the reviewer that he is notable. Primefac (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Can peer reviewed papers be independ sources? Should I add bibliography? Kdis98 (talk) 16:48, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Not if they are papers he has written. Primefac (talk) 16:49, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Can it be considered independent source? It is from OrissaPost (an independent news paper published from Bhubaneswar):https://www.orissapost.com/team-led-by-odia-scientist-invents-organic-energy-from-waste-materials/amp/

Kdis98 (talk) 17:34, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

I'd say that's a borderline case, since the majority of the content are quotes and statements directly from him. Primefac (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Here one more report from young India face:http://www.youngindiaface.in/2020/09/25/odisha-scientist-and-south-african-scientist-together-made-a-revolutionary-discovery/ My humble submission is that, the lead authors are the corresponding authors. Therefore,in academic circles the credit goes to the person who runs the group or group leader. For example a Nobel prize winner gets the prize because of the work done by his or her research group. Thanks!Kdis98 (talk) 02:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Respected Sir/Madam, This report describe the importance of Karmee's work without his quotes: https://orissadiary.com/team-led-by-odia-scientist-dr-sanjib-kumar-karmee-develops-pilot-scale-pyrolysis-technology-for-producing-biofuel-from-wastes/ You may kindly look into it. Thanks! Kdis98 (talk) 08:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

That's a fine source. Primefac (talk) 12:29, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Can I resubmit the draft in the present form? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjib_Kumar_Karmee Thanks! Kdis98 (talk) 13:18, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Respected Sir/Madam, Could you please provide your feed back on this article:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjib_Kumar_Karmee Kdis98 (talk) 06:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I resubmitted the drafthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sanjib_Kumar_Karmee Kdis98 (talk) 13:59, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

U2 deletions

Admins, if you are coming here to comment on my U2 deletions from yesterday (11 Dec), yes, I realize that it probably wasn't the best of ideas because of, well, all the reasons listed in the subsections below. Feel free to undelete the pages as necessary; I don't need a note saying you have done so. If I deleted something important and you are not an admin, feel free to post below and I'll restore the page(s) in question. Primefac (talk) 11:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Staszek Lem

Primefac talk contribs deleted page User talk:Staszek Lem

It was me before renaming. I am wondering what was there. Since in talk pages it is still wikilinked, it is possible someone clicked at red link to talk to me. If there is nothing useful there, please protect it to preclude such mishaps. Lembit Staan (talk) 02:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

There was a redirect to your talk, I can restore it if you like. Primefac (talk) 02:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

What do you think is better: a redirect or protect? Lembit Staan (talk) 03:14, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Since it was your old username, probably makes more sense to restore the redirect. Primefac (talk) 10:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

User:List of taxa described from Idaho

Can you restore this? I'll move it to my user space as a draft. Abyssal (talk) 04:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Primefac (talk) 10:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted user pages

Hi, Primefac,

I'm cleaning up a lot of broken redirects to user and user talk pages you deleted earlier this evening. I'm just kind of curious, how do nonexistent user pages pop up and get your attention? Is there a bot that creates a list of these? These seem to mainly be editors who changed usernames and these are older user pages for previous usernames I just think that it would kind of remarkable for you to stumble across these, buried in the millions of user pages. Like I said, I'm just curious. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: The answer would be User:TheImaCow/U2, which is linked from your talk page! More below ... Graham87 07:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

BernardVatant and other user pages

Hello, I've undeleted User:BernardVatant and turned it back into a redirect, as it contained some old history from 2001. See further discussion at the redirect target's talk page, User talk:Universimmedia. They never actually used that username to edit the English Wikipedia, just the IP's in the user page history, but that wasn't an uncommon situation back in 2001. I've also undeleted several other pages linked from User:TheImaCow/U2 which should not have been deleted, either because they were clearly misplaced, they were valid soft redirects, or for other reasons. Automatic deletion of U2 candidates has caused problems in the past, though it seems you weren't on Wikipedia when that episode happened. At least, unlike last time, pages like this are safe now. Graham87 07:47, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I suspect there will be quite a few pages of since-renamed users. Good intentions blah blah blah, I'm starting to realize that it was probably not the best of ideas. Thanks for undeleting some of these. Primefac (talk) 10:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Cassianto

In my mind, Cassianto is a much more "existent user" than the vanished number. We had a discussion last year (just archived), DYK? No idea what to do with a page where I others would like to talk to him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to User talk:Cassianto, which wasn't a redirect or anything but I've restored it. Primefac (talk) 11:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I exist

Please restore User:Squared.Circle.Boxing.Arti and User:Squared.Circle.Boxing.Contri. I'm assuming there should be a "/" instead of a "." after my username? – ².O.^Boxing 10:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done, though the second one was at User:Squared.Circle.Contri. Let me know where you'd like them and I can move them to a "better" location (and yes, I suspect that these should probably be somewhere like User:Squared.Circle.Boxing/Arti). Primefac (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Could you move them to User:Squared.Circle.Boxing/Arti and User:Squared.Circle.Boxing/Contri please? Apologies for any confusion caused. – ².O.^Boxing 11:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Primefac (talk) 11:31, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Bot

Hey there. Thanks for replying to my bot request. Sorry for the bad wording the post had, I'm here to try and clarify what I've wanted to mean back then.

So what the bot's use would be is, go to the links it is given and insert whatever text you're giving it to insert, preferably to a specific place in that wiki page. The best way to explain it to you is that the bot would be like the "Find" function of Notepad++. Where it uses whatever keyword you give to replace something you've selected.

https://i.imgur.com/N86z7hW.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by JokerLow (talk • contribs) 16:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure WP:AWB would be better for that. Primefac (talk) 01:35, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

RevDel request

Hello admin, sorry to bother you but can you please revdelete this edit? Thank you. --Ashleyyoursmile! 18:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Primefac (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Edward Banayoti

Hi, I was wondering if you could take a look at the recent edits of Edward Banayoti? I'm not sure what to think. thanks! DarthFlappy 18:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

It's on my list. Primefac (talk) 10:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Request on 18:35:18, 14 January 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Leautheque

• Leautheque (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Aaron R. Reed (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Aaron Reed won the National Outdoor Book Award, which has an entry on Wikipedia. Would more credits of this kind help?

Leautheque (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

He needs more coverage, not his books. Winning awards is well and good, but without significant coverage about him he won't meet WP:GNG or WP:AUTHOR. Primefac (talk) 18:37, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for Template:CUeject

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Template:CUeject. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Naleksuh (talk) 09:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Page mover rights

Hey, thank you for granting my request for page mover rights! Since the right was given to me on a time limited basis, I was wondering if I can apply to be awarded the right indefinitely when the time period is coming to an end? If so, should I apply for it again on WP:PERM/PM using the same standard procedure as I did the first time or in some other manner? AntonSamuel (talk) 15:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Re-applying at PERM is the best way; gets more eyes on the situation. Primefac (talk) 22:49, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I see, thanks for the pointer! AntonSamuel (talk) 23:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you from the cabal of the outcast ;) - did you ever see the battles of the infobox war? ... open air example pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

You're very welcome, always nice when a decision is (more or less) clear-cut. I wasn't around during those troubled times, though ;-) Primefac (talk) 13:07, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Russell Craig: Australian Artist

Hi,

The Draft:Russell Craig (artist) has been deleted. I am hoping to get a copy of what was deleted. I've been working on this page for a while and I'm not sure why it was deleted. I do not have a copy of what was deleted.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cdcmvp (talk • contribs) 05:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

The short answer is "no", mainly because the text was copied almost directly from https://www.russellcraig.com.au/ and https://www.artnewsportal.com/art-news/five-to-one-exhibition-by-russell-craig (so in a way you do have the original text). I also deleted Draft:Russell Craig for the same reason; your talk page has more information about copyright issues and how to avoid them. Primefac (talk) 10:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Request ti become Page mover

I requered to become page mover becuase i moved a lot of Page. I think Is Better become a Page mover For this reason. Dr Salvus (talk) 18:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)Dr SalvusDr Salvus (talk) 18:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Your decline was what we call a "procedural decline": you failed to meet the editing requirements, so your request was denied. I would encourage you to keep editing and doing as you do. The more you can show that you understand the page mover guidelines, participate in move discussions, and (potentially) request valid moves at WP:RM/TR, the more likely it will be that when you do meet the editing requirements, it will be an easy decision for the patrolling administrator to make. Primefac (talk) 18:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the advice Dr Salvus (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)Dr SalvusDr Salvus (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Reminder of Wikipedia notability criteria for doctors

Hello,

I'm here to talk about this Draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Sartawi_Muthana

I have made a few changes, added verifiable information, added new information.

I also would like to question about the criteria of notability for doctors.

Especially item 6 of this guideline: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(doctors)

How do you think this guideline applies to that Draft?

Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.36.179.235 (talk) 01:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

That guideline is marked as historical, as in it is no longer used as a reference or guide for determining the notability of doctors. It's certainly a good place to start, but you cannot link to it and say "see, he meets the criteria!" It looks like you've added a few more references, which is always good for demonstrating notability. Good luck! Primefac (talk) 01:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I get it. Thanks for explaining. I have also updated the article, not only with removal off promotional tone, pseudo information, organized, corrected writing and added new material. Could you check the coverage, reliability, independence, and multiplicity of it? I enhanced the article citing Google Patents, Thomson Reuters' subsidiary Zawya, WCIA, Al Arabiya, The News-Gazette, Alqabas and UAE state media. Can you review your position? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.36.179.235 (talk) 22:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I have also updated content on Knee_replacement#Modified_intervastus_approach with the innovation and the update wen through. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.36.179.235 (talk) 22:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

AWB script

Hi. In September 2020, your bot updated params in Template:Infobox television channel using AWB. Do you have that script available? Can you send me? --আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 17:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

It's not a script, it's a custom module but it had quite a few bugs in it. I've been working on a new module but it's still in beta. Primefac (talk) 22:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

No problem, i can manage. I will use it for another wiki. If possible, please send it to Aftabuzzamanullah at gmail dot com. Thanks. আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 01:47, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

I've been meaning to throw it in a subpage of the bot anyway, so when I get it to working order I'll drop you a note. Primefac (talk) 01:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Review My Edit

Sir, I have moved Draft:International Society of Radiographers and Radiological Technologists to International Society of Radiographers and Radiological Technologists. Can you please review this. This was a mistake I should not have moved it myself Since I have done it now can you please review this. Peerzada Iflaq (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

I am not an NPR, and thus I do not generally review new articles. Primefac (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou for your assistance. Peerzada Iflaq (talk) 20:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Post TfM cleanup

Regarding Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 December 19#Template:Hover title and Template:Tooltip, do you have any input on what to do to help effectuate this merge? I'm not a bot author and don't spend much time in that space, and maybe its a better AWB thing, or I dunno. To jog memory: The templates are essentially duplicates, but one has backwards parameters, so all calls to {{Hover title}} will need to have their parameter calls reversed before that redirects to {{Tooltip}}. I don't have any experience with Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell. Is this something I just don't need to concern myself about because there's already a mechanism in place to deal with it?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  23:12, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

If it's literally just flipping the parameter order in {{hover title}} I can get the bot to clean that up. Primefac (talk) 23:21, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

PrimeBOT request

I'm noting that there are some talk pages of articles that call {{WikiProject Television}} with |BANNER_NAME=Template:WikiProject Television Stations. The WikiProject was subsumed into WikiProject Television and the talk pages that call this parameter will not display their quality ratings, e.g. [1]. Would it be possible to have PrimeBOT run to just remove any such examples that might be lingering? I suspect there could be a good few. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Looks like about 6k pages so that's doable. Primefac (talk) 11:16, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a bad subst then by AnomieBOT when the project was folded in last year. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:15, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Bot wasn't the issue, just a miscommunication between the editors who were working on it before it was subst. Happens sometimes, easy enough to fix. Primefac (talk) 18:24, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi protection removal from a template

Template:Mendocino County, California has only 154 154 transclusions, which is below the RFC number by about 50 (many articles transcluding the template have been deleted). There does not seem to be any vandalism is the edit history. Would you be okay with me removing the protection you placed back in 2018, as it no longer really qualifies as a high-risk template? Hog Farm _Talk 18:01, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't see there being a need, but if you want to, go for it. Primefac (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it's not a huge need, but I'm a believer in there needing to be a really good reason for protection because of the "anyone can edit" thing, so I'll remove it for now. If it does attract vandalism, it can always be reprotected. Hog Farm _Talk 18:19, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Young editors

Every now and then I run across someone who seems young, either because of self-outing, which I report to WP:OVERSIGHT, or based on a combination of naivete and/or enthusiasm.

It's this second group that I'm asking about. Depending on their maturity, they should either be welcomed with a mentor or two, or gently encouraged to find another hobby.

I prefer to keep my interaction with obviously-young editors to a minimum. That said, sometimes "the minimum" consists of a welcoming message or advice, which may lead to a few rounds of back-and-forth before I can politely disengage. This is where you come in:

I recently saw you give a nice welcoming message to an obviously-young new editor. That got me thinking:

If either the WMF or ARBCOM would form a dedicated team of people who had some mechanism of screening and accountability, such as having their real-life identity "known" to the WMF, people like me could just "pass off" the names of such users to that group, knowing that the editor would be watched and, when needed, shepherded and guided without drawing public attention to the fact that he is a minor. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:26, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Removal of talk on Jordan Peterson

Hi there.

I noticed you removed by addition to the talk page on Jordan Peterson. Could you explain why? The identity of the editor is clearly relevant to why I edited the main page - the account appears to exist purely for the promotion of one individual. How else am I able to justify my (I believe) correct edit to the main page without including the reason in talk (especially given this edit has previous discussion on it)? I don't particularly want to "out" somebody but at the same time the account hasn't exactly been subtle! How better could I do approach this?