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:::::Full disclosure: [[User:Elcuyano10|Elcuyano10]]is my other wiki account. Couldn't remember password. [[User:Historian734|Historian734]] ([[User talk:Historian734|talk]]) 20:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
:::::Full disclosure: [[User:Elcuyano10|Elcuyano10]]is my other wiki account. Couldn't remember password. [[User:Historian734|Historian734]] ([[User talk:Historian734|talk]]) 20:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)


:::::: These last few comments are just pathetic. Putting side the silly slight against English people not being able to speak Spanish, which in fact simply shows your ignorance and general pisspoor attitude, considering that both Jimmy Burns and Jonathan Wilson, well-regarded journalists who have written about Maradona for years, do understand Spanish (one of them is in fact bilingual), as well as the preposterous remark that a source takes precedence over others because of where it comes from, these comments simply miss the point. No-one has ever claimed that Maradona has Italian ancestry because of any of his last names 'sound Italian', but because his roots have been traced back to Southern Italy in numerous publications, some of which you have undertaken to delete from this page consistently (see below from one reference), but without justification whatsoever, other than an unacceptable prejudice against 'sloppy anglo journos' (this is nothing but slander, and without any evidence to boot). And the same applies to Maradona's guaraní ancestry - nothing to do with how anyone looks (again, another slander) but a matter of having looked into the issue properly, something that cannot be said about any of the sources you have used on this page and which you have linked to below. I have added some comments on these sources below, and it really is incredible to see anyone peddling such rubbish information - and to pretend that any of these sources should take precedence over the BBC, The Guardian, and all the pieces that Jimmy Burns and Jonathan Wilson have written about these issues is not only laughable, but quite galling too. It really does turn this section on the entry, and yourself, into a laughing stock.


==Maradona does not have Italian ancestry==
==Maradona does not have Italian ancestry==

Revision as of 20:17, 14 March 2021

Former good article nomineeDiego Maradona was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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August 17, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed
In the newsA news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "In the news" column on November 25, 2020.

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Heritage should be changed: Father had Galician/Spanish heritage and better specified his Croatian heritage

His father is of Galician heritage besides Croatian. Here all their bloodline in Geni and an article in their heritage with genealogic records.

His Galician bloodline since his great great grandfather arrived to Argentina https://www.geni.com/people/Francisco-Fern%C3%A1ndez-de-Maradona-y-Fuentes/6000000009889112409

Also about his Croatian heritage (mother side). His great grandfather was Croatian that's why her first daughter was named "Dalma". Here it only said a journalist said it has distant Coratian heritage. It should be change to a Croatian great gradfather and that's the reaso why he named her daughter Dalma.

His great grandfather was Matej Kariolić: https://www.geni.com/people/Matej-Karioli%C4%87/6000000025313772092

https://www.eldia.com/nota/2020-11-26-12-16-0-el-especial-homenaje-de-croacia-a-diego-maradona-deportes 

https://blog.myheritage.es/2010/06/diego-armando-maradona-de-ascendencia-croata-y-gallega/

He has Italian and Croatian heritage in his mother side: https://www.geni.com/people/Dalma-Salvadora-Franco-Cariolichi/6000000025313397313 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy1985ar (talk • contribs) 09:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

All above "information" is based on blogs. I bet one day we'll "learn" that Diego was a proud Croatian who likes his homeland Argentina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.92.166.176 (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, someone keeps on trying to add information about his supposed Galician or Croatian heritage, even claiming his Italian heritage is unproven, despite the fact that this has been reported in reliable sources, such as the obituary from The Guardian that is referenced in the current version, and that the sources normally used to claim his Galician/Croatian ancestry are nothing more than speculative blogs, dodgy websites about the heritage of the famous, or random conferences and/or interviews. I would say this needs to be watched and protected (the current Spanish and Italian versions include all this spurious information and it is simply embarrassing). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.52.79 (talk) 17:47, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Author name

Hi. Yesterday I added the current infobox image for the article. However, I couldn't find any information about the author of the photo, and this information is necessary so that the image will not be deleted from Commons. Could someone help me to find the author of the photo? Here is the link. Thank you. --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mazewaxie:, I'm sorry to tell you that the photo you uploaded will be surely removed from Commons so the source is a French magazine (not public domain according to EU rules). As this photo was most probably taken in Mexico during the World Cup, it is protected because hat country has a long term for PD images (30 years after the author's death). Because of that, I suggest you to restore the previous image at the infobox so Commons is plenty of Maradona photos dressed as player, which are PD (Argentina) (there is another good image here as well). Regards, Fma12 (talk) 19:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Fma12:, I'm pretty sure that the photo was not taken in Mexico '86, since Maradona had shorter hair during that tournament. By the way, I'm currently searching for the author, because the French magazine source is recent, but the photo was already circulating on the internet, so it could still be from Argentina. I'll try to find more information, since I think it's a perfect image for the article. I wish you a nice day :) --Mazewaxie (talk • contribs) 19:42, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Vandalism

What vandalism occured? ZianSaal (talk) 21:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here's one The whole page is a mess. At least two edit wars and sporadic vandalism plus constructive edits. If you have a constructive edit to make, please make an WP:edit request. Sorry for any inconvenience. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:42, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t see how it is a mess. I looked at the difference, but did not find anything that messed it. ZianSaal (talk) 02:35, 6 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I used to edit this article 10 years ago now I came back to it, it's disgusting its totally biased. You suggest he is a drug addict several times in the article and you dont need to do that more than once or twice "bulging eyes" "weird celebration"? Who cares about that. Also nothing is mentioned as how he was voted the best player of the century before Pele. He is widely regarded as the greatest too just like Pele is, by brazilian media and players like ronaldinho ronaldo R9 too and even the times magazine, that should be in the intro. Its really messed up! "He denies single handedly winning the WC" of course he does! Who would say yes, that would totally discredit his teammates? It's just a description of his performance. It is not mentioned he has the best single worldcup performance of all times either nor that he was the most fouled player in world cup history in 1986 and 1990, I remember putting the sources straight out of FIFA for those things but they took it out now! Totally different from the portuguese and spanish versions.! Even the portuguese version is more forgiving and neutral. It's really sad.The guys dead for christs sake pay some respect.


User:Anonymous (User talk:Anonymous) 11:50, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

There is absolutely no source for Maradona's Italian ancestry (that he probably doesn't have) other than internet articles based on nothing than his "Italian sounding surname". This was discussed here before (2016), but the information remains there. In the other hand, Maradona has proven Croatian ancestry, but my edition (with sources) was reverted. This is ridiculous. Dantadd (talk) 22:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a ridiculous comment. Maradona's Italian ancestry comes from his mother's side - family name: Franco - not from the 'Italian sounding' 'Maradona' (which is what I think you are getting at). The fact that his mother's family is originally from Southern Italy has been confirmed again and again, and appears in various biographies, such as Jimmy Burns's, as well as in numerous articles from reputable publications, some of which are cited in the entry, in fact (The Guardian, the BBC, etc.). This is incontrovertible. What hasn't in fact been proven is his supposed Croatian ancestry, which in any case is solely based on a single great-grandfather - why would that be relevant? - and all the information you have provided on this matter to this entry and to those in the Spanish and Italian versions come from blogs, hardly serious sources like the Daily Star, or from comments from friends of Maradona's in El Clarín - and none of these publications cite any sources at all. Hardly to be taken seriously, quite frankly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.9.30 (talk) 13:41, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Dantadd. Please, enough with this Italian fetish. There is no credible Argentine source showing any Italian ancestry. The only person who could possibly have Italian ancestry is his maternal grandfather Anastasio Ramon Franco - yet no source seems to support that he did. Franco is a common enough surname both in Spain and Italy yet his given name implies Spanish heritage. All his other ancestors except the Croatian one are accounted for. I have no idea why there is this emotional need for Maradona to have Italian heritage. Elcuyano10 (talk) 19:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, English journalists who don't speak the language or just assume Maradona is Italian because the surname "sounds Italian" to them and that he is "Guarani" because he is swarthy and short are hardly a credible source. There are dozens of Argentine publications discussing Maradona's family tree. These evidently take precedence over sloppy anglo journos regardless of who they write for. Elcuyano10 (talk) 19:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Full disclosure: Elcuyano10is my other wiki account. Couldn't remember password. Historian734 (talk) 20:04, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
These last few comments are just pathetic. Putting side the silly slight against English people not being able to speak Spanish, which in fact simply shows your ignorance and general pisspoor attitude, considering that both Jimmy Burns and Jonathan Wilson, well-regarded journalists who have written about Maradona for years, do understand Spanish (one of them is in fact bilingual), as well as the preposterous remark that a source takes precedence over others because of where it comes from, these comments simply miss the point. No-one has ever claimed that Maradona has Italian ancestry because of any of his last names 'sound Italian', but because his roots have been traced back to Southern Italy in numerous publications, some of which you have undertaken to delete from this page consistently (see below from one reference), but without justification whatsoever, other than an unacceptable prejudice against 'sloppy anglo journos' (this is nothing but slander, and without any evidence to boot). And the same applies to Maradona's guaraní ancestry - nothing to do with how anyone looks (again, another slander) but a matter of having looked into the issue properly, something that cannot be said about any of the sources you have used on this page and which you have linked to below. I have added some comments on these sources below, and it really is incredible to see anyone peddling such rubbish information - and to pretend that any of these sources should take precedence over the BBC, The Guardian, and all the pieces that Jimmy Burns and Jonathan Wilson have written about these issues is not only laughable, but quite galling too. It really does turn this section on the entry, and yourself, into a laughing stock.

Maradona does not have Italian ancestry

This has been discussed over and over again in this article but again it seems the same anonymous IP is return obsessing about making him Italian.

Please we have dozens of Argentine sources explaining in detail who all of his ancestors were.

Argentine RELIABLE Sources discussing his ancestry. NONE mention Italian descent. ALL mention Spanish and Croatian descent of the ancestors on both sides of the family:

I see User Nampa DC is continuing to disrupt this page. I will take this a noticeboard since we are clearly dealing with a combative editor knowingly spreading misinformation and refusing to engage on the talk page. Historian734 (talk) 18:33, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
These sources are not a little comical and the point you are pushing clearly doesn't follow from any of them, not to mention that it's simply untrue that the matter of Maradona's ancestry is settled in Argentina (nor should we accept that it is only in Argentina, and only by Argentinians, that this issue can be resolved). Regarding the links, and in order. The first link doesn't cite any sources or references regarding Maradona's ancestry on his father's side, it simply quotes an unrelated 'Maradona' from Argentina who supposes (and that's the right word) that there are few Maradonas in the country and that they all come from the same town in Galicia, as their own family supposedly does, but such reports cannot be taken at face value and they are nothing but speculative - that Maradona's family comes from Galicia has to be established properly, and not by indirect means such as these. The second link doesn't mention anything about Maradona's ancestry at all and it's therefore pointless. The third link cites a friend of Maradona "confirming" his supposed Croatian ancestry and nothing else, and obviously this cannot be regarded as a reliable source. The fourth link requires a subscription. The fifth link, in fact a Spanish newspaper with a subsidiary in Argentina, also doesn't mention anything at all about Maradona's ancestry and it's as pointless as the second link. The last link, which is not much more than a blog, discusses Maradona's Galician ancestry by the same means as the first link and moreover claims that Maradona has Croatian ancestry because a grandmother on his mother's side, whose official last name was/is Cariolichi, is in reality a transliteration of Croatian Kariolić, but it cites no references at all and this translation is a contentious matter - indeed, all the information on Maradona's supposed Croatian ancestry can be traced back to one Narciso Binayán, an Argentinian journalist who wrote rather speculative books on people's ancestry, and who in the case of Maradona even speculated that on his (supposed) Croatian Maradona may have been a descendant of Marco Polo (via some Croat called Polich - I kid you not). In fact, people who have looked into this matter, such as the Spanish-British journalist Jimmy Burns in his well-received biography of Maradona, have traced back the Cariolichi family to Southern Italy (to Calabria, in particular) and the connection to any "Kariolić" is very dubious indeed (for example, see here: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CjkfEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=maradona+Cariolochi&source=bl&ots=_noeGbuXNh&sig=ACfU3U2qNU7e_tWYr2VukjioJk8Cm7H1vA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj5qbWdsrDvAhWhTxUIHd7lB0YQ6AEwEHoECBUQAw#v=onepage&q=maradona%20Cariolochi&f=false)
In sum, these terrible sources have no place in Wikipedia, and the claims that Maradona's ancestry is both Galician and Croatian should not be recorded at all, as they are very speculative and so far completely unsupported. On the balance of the available evidence, what seems to be supported is that Maradona's father was partly of guaraní ancestry and his mother partly of Italian ancestry, as the reliable sources this dubious user has consistently deleted show (from The Guardian, the BBC, Jonathan Wilson and Jimmy Burns, the last two well-respected journalists who have written about Maradona for years). I invite a more experience user to sort this mess out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.9.49 (talk) 19:58, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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