Talk:Glenn Youngkin

Significant coverage

National coverage

• Kelly, Jason (2012). The New Tycoons: Inside the Trillion Dollar Private Equity Industry That Owns Everything. John Wiley & Sons. pp. 29–33, 39–40.

7 pages

• Sender, Henny; Espinoza, Javier (October 25, 2017). "Carlyle profiles: closer look at founders and new management". Financial Times.

5 full paragraphs

• Gottfried, Miriam (October 27, 2017). "Carlyle's Next Generation: A Deal Whiz and a Homegrown Quarterback". Wall Street Journal.

8 full paragraphs

• Wiggi, Kaye; Vandevelde, Mark (July 21, 2020). "Carlyle co-chief Glenn Youngkin to step down". Financial Times.

full article

• Lewis, Adam (July 21, 2020). "Carlyle co-CEO Glenn Youngkin to retire, leaving reins to Kewsong Lee". PitchBook.

full article

• Cooper, Rebecca (July 21, 2020). "Glenn Youngkin to retire as co-CEO of the Carlyle Group, Kewsong Lee will remain as CEO". Washington Business Journal.

full article

• Perlberg, Heather (July 23, 2020). "Carlyle Co-CEO's Abrupt Exit Caps a Long, Awkward Power Struggle". Bloomberg News.

full article

• Georgescu, Peter (January 21, 2021). "A Scalable System To Lower Unemployment". Forbes.

full article

• Vozzella, Laura (January 27, 2021). "Former Carlyle executive Glenn Youngkin joins race for Virginia governor". Washington Post.

full article

• "Millionaire investor joins Virginia governor contest". Associated Press. January 27, 2021.

full article

• Greenwood, Max (January 27, 2021). "Former private equity executive launches bid for Virginia governor". The Hill.

full article

• Fordham, Evie (January 28, 2021). "Former Carlyle Group executive Glenn Youngkin runs for Virginia governor". Fox Business.

full article

• Singman, Brooke (February 15, 2021). "Virginia GOP gubernatorial candidate launches 'election integrity task force' ahead of combative race". Fox News.

full article

• Gabriel, Trip (May 10, 2021). "Glenn Youngkin Wins G.O.P. Nomination for Virginia Governor". New York Times.

• Jamerson, Joshua (May 10, 2021). "Glenn Youngkin Wins GOP Nomination for Virginia Governor". Wall Street Journal.

• Vozzella, Laura; Schneider, Gregory S. (May 10, 2021). "Former CEO Glenn Youngkin wins Virginia GOP governor nomination after last challenger concedes". Washington Post.

• Paviour, Ben (May 10, 2021). "Virginia GOP Chooses Political Newcomer Youngkin As Nominee For Governor". NPR.

• Seitz-Wald, Alex; Gomez, Henry J.; Clark, Dartunorro (May 10, 2021). "Virginia Republicans nominate Glenn Youngkin for governor". NBC News.

• Levy, Adam; Cohen, Ethan (May 10, 2021). "Businessman Glenn Youngkin captures GOP nomination for Virginia governor". CNN.

• Navarro, Aaron (May 11, 2021). "Glenn Youngkin wins Republican nomination in Virginia governor's race". CBS News.

• Manchester, Julia (May 10, 2021). "Former CEO Glenn Youngkin wins Virginia GOP gubernatorial convention". The Hill.

• Paviour, Ben (May 10, 2021). "Glenn Youngkin's Pitch: Tighter Voting Laws, Broader GOP Tent, and Money to Make it Happen". VPM Media. NPR News.

State coverage (Virginia) (sample early coverage)

• Leonor, Mel (January 27, 2021). "Glenn Youngkin, former Carlyle Group co-CEO, announces GOP run for governor". Richmond Times-Dispatch.

full article

• "Glenn Youngkin announces run for Virginia governor". WAVY. January 27, 2021.

full article

--Oxenriver (talk) 03:44, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

added more Oxenriver (talk) 13:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Infobox for candidates who have never held elected office

Youngkin is a nominee/candidate, not an elected politician. He has never held elected office, and therefore he requires the Template:Infobox_officeholder#Nominee/candidate. Please see the example set forth at Template:Infobox_officeholder/example#Nominee/candidate. Pinging KidAd. Thank you. Oxenriver (talk) 02:50, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

He does not require anything. That infobox formatting is ugly and unnecessary. Seeing as he has never held elective office, he should have a "infobox person" anyway. KidAd • SPEAK 03:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

RfC on infobox

Glenn Youngkin
Republican nominee for Governor of Virginia
Election date November 2, 2021
Running mate	Winsome Sears
Opponent	TBD
Incumbent	Ralph Northam
Personal details
Born	(1966-12-09) December 9, 1966 Richmond, Virginia, U.S.
Political party	Republican
Residence(s)	Great Falls, Virginia
Education	Rice University (BS, BA) Harvard University (MBA)
Occupation	Businessman
Website	www.youngkinforgovernor.com

Should this Glenn Youngkin article have a nominee/candidate infobox (Template:Infobox officeholder#Nominee/candidate)? The nominee/candidate infobox would look like this (shown on the right), matching the example set forth at Template:Infobox officeholder/example#Nominee/candidate. Youngkin's Democratic opponent will be announced and filled in after the Democratic primary on June 8. Oxenriver (talk) 00:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support. Youngkin is not an elected politician and has never held political office. The nominee infobox provides the pertinent information needed by readers who are looking at the article to find information on his candidacy. If he loses the gubernatorial election, the infobox will simply revert to a Template:infobox person, the same as it did with the above-linked example of Ralph Nader, a candidate who has and had never held elected political office. Oxenriver (talk) 00:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose It looks bad. And being a nominee for political office is not a position, role, or office. Just change it to "infobox person" until after the election. KidAd • SPEAK 00:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

This infobox is standard for nominees to significant office who have never held elected office. In what way does it look bad? You added the original Template:infobox politician to the article: [1]. Oxenriver (talk) 00:37, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

What's your point? That template is a variation of the "officeholder" template commonly used for unelected candidates. KidAd • SPEAK 02:29, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly the point: this is the template commonly used for unelected candidates and that's why it should be used here for this currently unelected candidate. In what way does it look bad? Oxenriver (talk) 01:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support. the nominee infobox looks like a good choice Nerguy (talk) 12:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as we don't make such infoboxes for candidates, but only for office holders. Should he get elected VA governor, then create an infobox. GoodDay (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

This infobox is specifically for nominated candidates who have not previously held elected office; that's why it exists to be used. Please see Template:Infobox officeholder/example#Nominee/candidate. This Glenn Youngkin article already has an Template:infobox politician at the top -- please view the article. This RfC is about using the Template:Infobox officeholder/example#Nominee/candidate instead, since Youngkin is not yet an elected politician. Oxenriver (talk) 01:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support - this is a nominee, this is the nominee infobox. I'm not understanding the opposers saying that this is the wrong infobox. We have to consider who will read and search for this page - likely a member of the public interested in the election who wants to know more about the candidate, and knowing who their running mate is at a first glance, for example, might be a good thing. Hentheden (talk) 23:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

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George Soros fearmongering

Why did the editor PerpetuityGrat remove content about Youngkin fearmongering about how the right-wing boogeyman George Soros was ruining education in Virginia? One of the key themes in Youngkin's campaign revolves around education in Virginia. I fail to see why we should note that Youngkin attributes the poor states of education in Virginia to George Soros. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello, pretty rude tone right off the bat, but I'll stay above the fray. I didn't remove the quote quote because it was aimed at, as you put it, "the right-wing boogeyman George Soros," but rather because the sentence is entirely unencyclopedic. And for the record since you insinuated on my talk page that I'm some WP:UPE, no I'm not. I've made edits to both Glenn Youngkin and Terry McAuliffe articles. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 06:07, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Please provide citations in article

Wikipedia is not a political soapbox please provide rs before posting hitjobs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.49.109.224 (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

So you do not think the WP is an RS?Slatersteven (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Calling Jpcase for input since their edit is in question. Personally, I see nothing obviously questionable about [2], [3], or [4], so what's the issue? They're not opinion article as claimed; the Post clearly marks any such articles. The other stuff added in the lead is already supported by references in the body of the article, such as [5] and [6]. clpo13_(talk) 17:49, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

The issue to me is that the positions summary seems to consist of the talking points from his opponents. Youngkin himself would say his campaign is largely about job creation, public saftey etc, whereas his opponents would say essentially what the summary says. Would it not be better to write a positions summary that better meets in the middle? lamevon_(talk) 14:32, 26 October 2021 (ETC)

The lead should summarize points that are already discussed in the body of the article. The gubernatorial election section of this article discusses Youngkin's views on Trump, vaccines, and critical race theory, and so I summarized those points in the lead. The body of the article currently says nothing about Youngkin's views on the economy or on law enforcement, so I left those topics out of the lead. Something should certainly be said about those topics in the body of the article, but even then, whether or not they should be discussed in the lead depends on how central they are to the news coverage of Youngkin's campaign.

The goal shouldn't be to split the difference between how Youngkin would characterize the campaign and how Youngkin's opponents would like to characterize the campaign. The goal should be to explain how mainstream news sources have characterized the campaign. I've seen countless news stories from major publications that have focused primarily on Youngkin's education policies, but I have not seen the same amount of news coverage about Youngkin's economic policies. So it seems to me that the education policies are worth highlighting over other policies in the lead. Jpcase (talk) 19:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

You need to provide references for the statements made. Also, if we're going to highlight specific policy positions there is a risk of cherry-picking. Our goal should be to comprehensively detail all relevant policy positions. Vdjj1960 (talk) 11:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

References generally aren't used in the lead, but everything that I added to the lead is extensively referenced within the body of the article. The topics that I chose to highlight are the topics about Youngkin that have received the most news coverage. They are also the topics that the body of the article discusses in the greatest amount of detail.

The lead could potentially be expanded to also discuss other topics, but there don't appear to be any other topics discussed at any great length within the body of the article, so there really isn't much else to summarize. Jpcase (talk) 15:36, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Excessive negative fact-checks

There're several excessively negative fact-checks in the politics section that discusses education which makes this article read quite unbalanced and to make matters worse a few fact-checks were removed from his opponent's page, if fact-checks are allowed they should either be on both pages or none at all. 70.191.130.23 (talk) 19:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Negative fact-checks are the fault of Youngkin. He's making himself look bad through baseless statements. I can see one McAuliffe fact-check in Tenure and one flip-flop noted in Political positions, and I've added more fact-checks there anyway. starship.paint (exalt) 10:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Should incorrect fact checks be quoted? That CRT is in schools is not in dispute, it's well documented. Or is the issue that schools don't use the term CRT? That's like claiming to never teach about the Third Reich yet still teaching about The Holocaust, Operation Barbarossa etc. Or should I use a different example since I believe these are no longer taught?

I note the VPM article refers to Politifact and Harvard Law School but talks of CRT as a framework rather than a subject to be taught. Slurs like white fragility aside, it doesn't appear to actually examine what the criticisms entail. The Politifact piece argues CRT is not officially in the curriculum, and that local school systems don't appear to teach CRT as a subject either. Is anyone claiming CRT is a subject though? As the VPM article notes, it's a framework to shape thinking\conclusions. The Virginia DoE has an annual equity conference, but rejects the notion of equity (Which is not equality) as CRT. The DoE advocates anti-racism, Kendi, and his How to be an Antiracist book yet either doesn't seem to consider these highly controversial things CRT, or holds that even if they are, they're just outside viewpoints and resources not official endorsement of viewpoint. Apparently if it's not 'de jure' and only 'de facto' then claiming it as fact is false. Problem is that appears to be relying on a strawman to achieve a gotcha result. Given this distinction is political and the fact\fiction of the claims\counterclaims is dependent on definitions, I'm not sure Wikipedia is likely to resolve the issue. 人族 (talk) 02:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Net worth

I removed the net worth parameter from the infobox, as it's now deprecated. If anyone wants to add that content elsewhere in the article, you can find what I removed in this edit. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:29, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Looks like his net worth has increased rather than depreciated. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:47, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The infobox template parameter has been deprecated, not his net worth. Firefangledfeathers (talk) 17:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Yep makes sense. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Sources

More neutral term in lead

I believe the lead could use a more neutral term. Instead of saying "rising to become its CEO", I think it should be "later becoming its CEO". I have tried to do this myself, but it seems that the same wording keeps being added back in. So, I am seeking consensus and discussion. "Rising" has a more positive connotation, while "becoming" states just what happened: he did become its CEO. I do not think "rising" is a neutral term to use. WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 22:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. I went ahead and changed it back to how you had it. Jpcase (talk) 23:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Infobox: Politician or person

A compromise: Leave it as person for now. Then (only) change it to 'politician' if he's elected Virginia governor. GoodDay (talk) 04:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Confusing and dodgy wording under political positions.

I noticed a few odd choices of words. I know it's deliberately ambiguous political-speak, but don't we have reliable sources that are willing to call a spade a spade?

Youngkin supports the COVID-19 vaccine, but opposes mask and vaccine mandates.

This statement is an oxymoron. He either supports or opposes vaccines. Both cannot be true at the same time.

Asked if he accepts the scientific consensus on the causes of climate change, Youngkin said he does not know what causes climate change and that the cause ultimately does not matter.

The causes of climate change are not in any sort of dispute and feigning ignorance on the subject, or pretending that it's a controversial topic is a standard dodge used by climate change deniers, and his later comments on the clean economy act erases all ambiguity as to what his position is.

There seems to be a distinct lack of scrutiny for these two particular positions, which is a shame, since the article does a pretty good job tearing apart his other positions. 46.97.170.79 (talk) 13:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

It is possible to support vaccines themselves, and oppose vaccine mandates (ex. making the vaccine entirely optional). What would you prefer the second statement be changed to? WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 22:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@WhoAteMyButter: It is possible to support vaccines themselves, and oppose vaccine mandates. Uhm... not it isn't. That's literally the position of right wing antivaxxers who are smart enough to know that insane conspiracy theories about population control and chinese microchips will only get them laughed out of the room, so they instead pretend to be the "moderate" middle ground, between the mainstream consensus and fringe quackery on completely black and white issues, such as vaccines, climate change or even the holocaust.

What I would prefer is the addition of reliable sources that describe his positions on vaccines and climate change as fringe, as any compromise between the mainstream position and a fringe position is by definition a fringe position, similar to how his claims about public education are debunked by independent fect checkers. 46.97.170.79 (talk) 08:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes... it is possible to "support" the vaccine but not mandate such a requirement. This is the case for many individuals. That's not a fringe position, believe it or not that is a very mainstream position. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 15:48, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

This is like saying it's possible to accept that climate change is real but still question wether it's man-made. It is a fringe position because it contradicts the academic and mainstream consensus. And "many individuals" having a fringe view, doesn't make it any less fringe. That's an ad populum fallacy. 46.97.170.79 (talk) 10:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok, that's a false equivalence to compare the "support" of vaccines to the acceptance of climate change. Can you elaborate how "supporting" vaccines but opposing mandates contradicts academic and mainstream consensus? --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Inclusion of college basketball statistics?

Why are Youngkin's rather lackluster college basketball statistics included? Had he been a notable college player it might make sense. In this case, on the verge of Virginia's gubernatorial election, it almost seems they've been included to make him seem a lackluster individual. Goodtablemanners (talk) 02:02, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Considering the kind of cult of personality that usually develops around right wing public figures, especially in the trump camp, it's possible somebody felt it's necessary to make his statistics known, before the usual suspects start circulating rumours about him being some kind of basketball champion, and using his past scholarship, without context, as evidence. 46.97.170.79 (talk) 08:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pennsylvania2: Courtesy pinging Pennsylvania2 who originally added the content. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 13:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

He played college basketball at the D1 level for Rice. You can call the stats lackluster, but he played in 58 games at a very high level. It should be included as it's part of his biography. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 14:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Outside of athletes who at least made the "major leagues" in their sports, are there any other college level athletes with these kind of drab statistics listed in their Wikipedia articles? I'm sure there are tons of far far better college basketball players who don't have a listing of their stats. Goodtablemanners (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

It's actually absurdly rude and in bad faith to assume that someone right wing added the basketball stats... I'd look at Cory Booker as a reference, kind of a similar background. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Booker along with Gerald Ford and Wayne Messam are just some to that I've come across. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 15:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I have no idea whether someone who's left wing or right wing or neither added the stats. It just seems silly, that's all. Goodtablemanners (talk) 16:09, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Goodtablemanners: my bad, that was in response to the ip user mentioning the cult of personality comment that didn't provide any substance to this section. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 17:36, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

This data should not be in the article. It is distracting and irrelevant for a person who is not notable for their college basketball career. KidAd • SPEAK 20:27, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't disagree with KidAd. I think adding the chart and the legend is disruptive a tad. If we look at the article Corey Booker, his college sports career includes only a few sentences, but they're interwoven in the Early life section rather than flat out statistics. I would be a proponent of that, just follow the Booker article. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 00:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Oh, and college basketball information shouldn't clutter his infobox either. Basic stuff, guys. KidAd • SPEAK 00:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The college football information isn't cluttering Corey Booker's infobox, just mirror that. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 01:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

That isn't a policy. It's basically a variation of the "WP:WHATABOUTX" argument. If Youngkin was not notable for his political campaign, he would not pass WP:NBASKETBALL as a former college player. KidAd • SPEAK 01:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Add Governor to the infobox

Dave Wasserman has called it for Glenn Youngkin. Should we wait for an official call or can we put the Governor-elect title in the infobox. https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1455692529790328835 RandomUserGuy1738 (talk) 00:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

It's standard to wait until either one nominee concedes, or the official canvassing is over. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 01:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

NYT has called it for Youngkin if that counts? Youngkin has given his victory speech, McAuliffe however appears to be unwilling to concede. When is the end of the official canvas period if McAuliffe refuses to concede? 人族 (talk) 05:36, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Even CNN has called it for Youngkin. As for McAuliffe? he knows where the Virginia Supreme Court is. GoodDay (talk) 06:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Infobox

Anybody know how to place the lieutenant governor-elect in the infobox 'above' the outgoing governor? GoodDay (talk) 05:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done. I just used "lieutenant_governor" instead of "lieutenant." KidAd • SPEAK 05:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I also figured it out. Replaced office with order ;) GoodDay (talk) 05:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Woah woah woah, wikipedia

You are portraying youngkin's win in a completely negative light. Can you please change that? 107.77.204.79 (talk) 10:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

This is experts' opinion, as covered by reliable secondary sources. Find a mainstream reliable source that portrays Youngkin's win as positive. Keep in mind that Fox is not reliable on political topics. 46.97.170.79 (talk) 10:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't want wikipedia to portray Youngkin's win positively. I just want Wikipedia to portray it neutrally, with no slant.

Lower taxes, reducing government footprint, and putting parents in charge of their kids education seems pretty positive to me. I don't see the problem here, what am I missing? Are you suggesting the Wikipedia is left-biased? No way... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.83.133.250 (talk) 11:43, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Those are campaign promises. Please keep in mind that if you're affiliated with Youngkin's campaign, the conflict of interest disqualifies you from editing this article. Also keep in mind that talk pages are for discussions on how to improve an article. Wikipedia is WP:NOTAFORUM. 46.97.170.79 (talk) 12:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)