Talk:Turkey

Official Change of Country Name not reflected in the article

The Republic of Turkey officially changed its name by Presidential Comminique on the 4th of December. The country is now known as the "Republic of Turkiye". All international organizations were informed of the change including the United Nations. See https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602

Not true, it only says Turkey made products will use "Made in Türkiye". Beshogur (talk) 11:58, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

The article says this: In a nod to that, the recently published communique was clear that "within the scope of strengthening the 'Turkiye' brand, in all kinds of activities and correspondence, especially in official relations with other states and international institutions and organisations, necessary sensitivity will be shown on the use of the phrase 'Türkiye' instead of phrases such as 'Turkey,' 'Turkei,' 'Turquie' etc." So they’re changing the name on official documents and all that. Xaea12lol (talk) 22:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC) Hmm, I see that's correct. Beshogur (talk) 23:14, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

TRTWorld (which is an official government broadcaster) is basically the only source reporting this. If the United Nations, the Associated Press, etc. start using this spelling, the article will adjust. As it is, I don't think this needs to be mentioned at all. (and would it be Turkiye or Türkiye?) User:力 (powera, π, ν) 23:18, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

"Turkiye" is the Turkish name as already stated in the article, and does not belong bolded in the lead. Literally only one source covers this, as stated above. Bill Williams 01:28, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Turkiye is an endonym for the country. So, per WP:USEENGLISH, we should using a common, not official English name. 36.77.102.62 (talk) 04:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

The OP did not wanted to change the article's name - which should be based on the common English name - but the official name. Turkish government is trying to to pull a "Cote D'Ivore", where they try to name the country officially by it's native name. Official names are determined by a country's government and not the common use. I was also skeptical of the name change, but a minority of governmental institutions and ministries changed their official names on their websites (1, 2, 3; check the logos). This had been attempted by the previous governments and most likely fail, but nevertheless it is used by some official organizations. I personally think that it should not replace the "Republic of Turkey" in the article since it has such a limited use, but might be mentioned in a footnote. --Gogolplex (talk) 10:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

There is only one official name, Türkiye Cumhuriyeti, since Turkey only has one official language which is Turkish. Everything else are just government-endorsed translations, but these have little weight against the common name that is used by international organizations and of course by the global English-speaking public. If Turkey had English as second official language with a constitution officially written in English, things would be different (cf. Eswatini). And the edit warring should stop as long as this is discussed here. –Austronesier (talk) 11:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

"There is only one official name, Türkiye Cumhuriyeti," then can you explain me why the lede says "officially Republic of Turkey" and not "officially, Türkiye Cumhuriyeti" or "also known as Republic of Turkey", since it's not an official name according to your argument? Countries having official non-native names is ordinary. Just look at Ivory Coast, a completely non-English speaking country with their own unpopular, government sponsored official name. There is absolutely no policy on Wikipedia that official name should be the common English name, nor the "English-privilege", which only officially English speaking countries can choose theirs. I'm also not the one that is edit warring. I'm behind my argument, it should not be added directly until UN or other big organizations embrace it, but it still have to be mentioned since it is used by ministries. --Gogolplex (talk) 13:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gogolplex: They seem to use the name, but I would wait for official submission to the UN. Beshogur (talk) 13:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I would say let's mention Republic of Türkiye in the body, not lead, and later, if they decide to change it in the UN completely. Beshogur (talk) 12:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

I support Beshogur's approach. –Austronesier (talk) 13:43, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Footnote on Emblem

I attempted to add the footnote stating "De facto only, as Turkey currently does not have any official coat of arms, seal or emblem" to the national emblem in the infobox, since that is clearly the facts on the matter, and it is misleading to simply have the supposed emblem without a footnote stating that it is the de facto and not official one, but Beshogur twice reverted me, stating "there's no emblem of Turkey" even though I said there is no official one but the infobox clearly has something in it, and then "discussed before." I would like to discuss this again, even if it has been previously mentioned. Bill Williams 20:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Who said this is de facto? The OR article? Turkish ministries do not even use those anymore. Using crescent and moon (because it's on the flag), doesn't make it an emblem. Also Turkey has no official motto, so you gonna put Sovereignty unconditionally belongs to the People there because it's commonly used? Beshogur (talk) 20:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Beshogur I think you misinterpret my intent. I did not put the emblem here, as I'm sure it has been there for years, I just noticed it and realized that factually speaking, Turkey does not have an emblem, so having that in the infobox above "emblem" is highly misleading. If you wish to remove it completely, then I would fully support that, but as long as it is in the infobox, it requires a footnote explaining that it is not the official emblem. Bill Williams 21:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bill Williams: My apologies. I didn't see the whole edit history. Thanks for your help. Beshogur (talk) 21:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

It's all good, I think you're right and the article would be better without it anyway. I had Turkey on my watchlist and noticed an editor who was trying to fix the issue, so I stepped in. Bill Williams 22:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2021

Kurdistan 62.201.242.36 (talk)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 20:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2021

154.127.6.93 (talk) 06:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Sake Haas

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  melecie  t - 09:39, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 December 2021

Change "Turkey" to "Türkiye" Source: https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/turkey-to-use-t%C3%BCrkiye-in-all-activities-to-strengthen-its-brand-52307 DrJuiceBoy (talk) 18:46, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: en.wiki generally uses the WP:Common name for its articles. CMD (talk) 18:53, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 December 2021 (2)

Change "officially the Republic of Turkey" to "officially the Republic of Türkiye" in accordance with the recent name change: https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/why-turkey-is-now-turkiye-and-why-that-matters-52602 184.147.109.215 (talk) 23:55, 27 December 2021 (UTC)