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Türkiye had change the name?

Long time ago Türkiye changed its own name with the original name. All around the world, formal government bodies recongnised and changed it, except you. When do you think to change that wrong name with the correct one as Türkiye? Thank you very much. I look forward to hearing from you soon. 82.34.156.105 (talk) 13:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Please see the numerous previous discussions on this subject and the applicable guidelines at WP:COMMONNAME. Largoplazo (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey!! Did anybody reading this know that Wikipedia is a formal government body? Uporządnicki (talk) 16:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024

GDP per capita says "71th" Should say 71st 73.218.200.207 (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

 Already done by Firefangledfeathers. Favonian (talk) 15:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Culture section needs a re-write

It's a mess. I'll return to it later. There might be lump edits, rather than the incremental ones I've been doing. The article is also still too long. I'll probably condense and merge "Visual arts" and "Literature and theatre" sections into an Arts section. Bogazicili (talk) 15:39, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Bump Bogazicili (talk) 12:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 July 2024

The title is Turkey but according to law Turkey’s name has change to Türkiye now please change the title so the mistakes and misinformation can be prevented Curious2023 (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Please read the FAQ at the top of this page EvergreenFir (talk) 19:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 July 2024

Change Turkey to Türkiye 68.131.29.89 (talk) 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: this has been discussed multiple times. See the header at the top with "This article has previously been nominated to be moved" for prior discussions, and consider if new information has been published that would change the conclusion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:48, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Review of images in the article

We have too many Istanbul images. Per MOS:Images, we need to have a variety of images. Bogazicili (talk) 15:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Given lack of responses recently, I'll make further changes directly in the main page. We can switch to talk page again if there is an issue. Bogazicili (talk) 22:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Media and cinema

I think the current 3 (Fatma Girik, Filiz Akın and Hülya Koçyiğit) best represent Turkish cinema. Any other suggestions? Bogazicili (talk) 15:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe some contemporary figure like Cem Yılmaz. Beshogur (talk) 19:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Cüneyt Arkın and Cem Yılmaz. Lionel Cristiano^? 02:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Where are the images? You will need to give links to Wikimedia Commons images. There is no image in Cüneyt Arkın and we have this [1] for Cem Yılmaz with the letters under the image.

But if you want someone contemporary, we can have Beren Saat [2] and Nuri Bilge Ceylan [3] in addition to Türkan Şoray. So we would have representation for cinema, TV, and a director. Bogazicili (talk) 12:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

[4] Lionel Cristiano^? 11:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't have acceptable Creative Commons licence. Bogazicili (talk) 20:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Changes have been made. Bogazicili (talk) 12:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Music and dance

Based on this [5], we should have Ezhel [6]. As a second image, maybe we can get İbrahim Tatlıses (based on [7], although most sold albums statistic is from 2017) or maybe Sezen Aksu Bogazicili (talk) 13:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually, Ezel doesn't seem to live in Turkey anymore. I'll make another suggestion after I'm done re-writing this section. I'm leaning towards Sezen Aksu and İbrahim Tatlıses. Bogazicili (talk) 12:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Geography

In this image [8], it's not apparent that there's an earthquake risk in the Aegean area. This image [9] is more relevant to the text. Bogazicili (talk) 15:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

This picture only shows the earthquakes that occurred in Turkey between 1900-2023. This picture is more descriptive as it shows the earthquake fault line. Lionel Cristiano^? 17:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

This one [10] doesn't show Aegean region can have earthquakes. If you want, you can request [11] and [12] to be merged in Wikipedia:Graphics Lab Bogazicili (talk) 12:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Lionel Cristiano, going forward, can you not change any images without discussing here first? Bogazicili (talk) 11:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I forgot to write, thanks. Lionel Cristiano^? 11:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Lionel Cristiano, why do you keep removing this picture [13]?? Bogazicili (talk) 12:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing but dots on the map, the other map is more detailed. Lionel Cristiano^? 13:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

This one doesn't show Aegean region can have earthquakes. It is now shown on the new map. Lionel Cristiano^? 13:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

The one you are adding has crappy quality, doesn't even show eastern Turkey, and doesn't show all the fault lines in Turkey Bogazicili (talk) 13:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

This is the map of all fault lines in Turkey [14] [15] Bogazicili (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Please gain consensus for this change on the talk page Was there consensus before making this change? Can you explain? Lionel Cristiano^? 13:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Because I can't see the discussion. Lionel Cristiano^? 13:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

That is why I started this discussion in the talk page. This is the discussion. Bogazicili (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

But when you added that map, there was no consensus. Lionel Cristiano^? 19:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I changed several images. And you also changed several images, such as images of İstanbul, architecture, schools etc. I did not revert all of them. But this doesn't work anymore. All future changes should be discussed here first. Bogazicili (talk) 19:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Lionel Cristiano^? 19:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

This map is better than the other one. Lionel Cristiano^? 19:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why you are so against dot maps. These are used often, such as in Earthquake [16]. But if you are insisting on a line map, this [17] looks low quality and is old (from 2003). There has been lots of research since then, and it doesn't show all the fault lines [18].

If you are insisting on fault lines, we should use this [19]. It's much newer and higher in quality. Bogazicili (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

tamam reis, bu harita efso. Lionel Cristiano^? 20:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Great, I made the change Bogazicili (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Religion and Architecture

They are all İstanbul images.

• For religion, I suggest: Çamlıca Mosque (cropped version of this image [20]) and Mor Gabriel Monastery [21]. Çamlıca Mosque was designed by two female architects, whereas only interior design of Şakirin Mosque seems to have been done by a woman. Mor Gabriel Monastery is not in İstanbul.

• For architecture, I suggest: Selimiye Mosque, Edirne [22], and [23]. These are from different architectural styles and different cities. Selimiye Mosque is not in İstanbul. We can then have a third image not in İstanbul. It could be a modern building such as [24] or something such as this [25] Bogazicili (talk) 12:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm leaning towards traditional houses as the third image, since skyscrapers are too generic and can be found everywhere in the world. Bogazicili (talk) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Changes have been made. I have used Mor Hananyo Monastery instead of Mor Gabriel Monastery. Bogazicili (talk) 22:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 July 2024

The country has officially changed it's name from Turkey to Türkiye. So I request to change the heading as Türkiye and add the line " It was formally known as 'Turkey'" . Awijeetsharma (talk) 17:35, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Please see the Old moves and section sizes section for the numerous discussions on the topic. – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 20:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

genocide was against Turks

Must correct that they were genociding Turks. Turks defended themselves. 72.66.6.17 (talk) 03:31, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@72.66.6.17 source? PortugueseWikiMan (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Armenian genocide references removed from lead part

@Randam has removed references to the Armenian genocide from the lead part, the reason being that "this is the page about the Republic of Turkey, not Ottoman Empire". Although the genocide was committed during the final days of the Ottoman Empire, its denial remains an integral part of the foreign policy of modern Republic of Turkey and is an important conversation being had in Turkey and across the world. Also, the lead parts of all country articles provide an overview of the history of the region, not just the history of their modern states. 37.252.81.93 (talk) 13:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

It was deleted against a rfc consensus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Turkey/Archive_27#RfC_Genocides Shadow4dark (talk) 14:32, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2024

Please change the page name and every other phrase that uses the word "Turkey" since the official name as changed in 2021 to "Türkiye" thank you. LEEPSO4566 (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@LEEPSO4566: No. Read the Frequently Asked Questions section at the top of this page to find out why. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Was the FAQ removed? I can't find it. Akira - Cleber Akira Nakandakare (talk) 14:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

It's a wiki-nuisance. If you're looking in Mobile view on a mobile device, it's hidden in the "Learn more about this page" section toward the top of the page. You need to touch that to expand the info. Largoplazo (talk) 17:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Charliehdb (talk) 14:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 August 2024

I want to change the title and links from Turkey to Türkyie because of recent changes by the turkish goverment Kerem Demirhan (talk) 00:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: See the request for exactly the same thing immediately before yours and the response it received. Largoplazo (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 September 2024

Add link to Medical tourism#Turkey in the Turkey#Health section.

Turkey is one of the top 10 destinations for health tourism.

DeanoMachino (talk) 20:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done PianoDan (talk) 22:24, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 September 2024 (2)

I want to add Ay Yapım, that is one of the biggest production companies in Turkey on Media and cinema Turkiishh (talk) 13:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC) Turkiishh (talk) 13:03, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Largoplazo (talk) 14:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Ay YapımIt is one of the biggest production companies in Turkey. on Media and cinema Turkiishh (talk) 14:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

<ref>"Arşivlenmiş kopya". Archived from the original on 2 April 2015. Retrieved 31 March 2015.</ref Turkiishh (talk) 15:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Where specifically would you put that sentence, and would it require any restructuring of what's already there in order for it to make sense, in context, in the location where you think it should go? I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be mentioned. I'm explaining that if you think it should be, then you need to specify the entire edit you would make for it to fit into the flow of the existing text if you were able to make the edit yourself. Largoplazo (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Turkish television dramas are increasingly becoming popular beyond Turkey's borders and are among the country's most vital exports, both in terms of profit and public relations maybe after this, or after this Turkey is today the world's second largest exporter of television series. think it's worth mentioning this and If you could help me edit so it fits in thanks Turkiishh (talk) 16:16, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 September 2024

Change the page name from Turkey to Türkiye to reflect the new identity of the country. 2A02:6B6F:FCE0:4A00:9CE4:5841:6668:5597 (talk) 22:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Note that this has already been discussed several times, most recently in February 2024. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 4 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: WP:SNOW close as not moved, due to near-unanimous rapid, vociferous opposition and a lack of new information since a recent discussion of the same proposal. Moraturium requested until after 22 February 2025 (UTC), i.e. one year after closure of the previous RM. (closed by non-admin page mover) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Turkey → Türkiye – Türkiye recently requested that the country be referred to by its endonym, rather than its exonym, 'Turkey'. Hexalogical (talk) 07:31, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, another pointless discussion which will shift the topic into the official name rather than title. Beshogur (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support and move Turkey (disambiguation) here, no clear primary topic especially given the country now also uses a different name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• WP:SNOW close. This has already been discussed a lot. Super Ψ Dro 12:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Snow close because it hasn't been even a year since the last formal discussion of this. Failing that, Oppose because almost no one is referring to the country in English as "Türkiye", regardless of what Erdoğan wants, and the move proposer's rationale is, under the WP:COMMONNAME guideline, irrelevant. Largoplazo (talk) 13:11, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the last move request in February (which can be found in Talk:Turkey/Archive 39) was overwhelmingly opposed. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, and WP:SNOW close, no evidence of WP:COMMONNAME, we don't follow what the government wants, but what English-language sources (still) use, which still remains the current title for now. DankJae 17:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose no evidence provided for the new "common name". Shadow4dark (talk) 18:04, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Update needed

Istanbul is now the second largest city in Europe (based on population) not the largest as can be seen on the largest cities in Europe article linked with it. Change it to "Istanbul is the second largest city in Europe" Thank you. FluffyBear1111 (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. Bogazicili (talk) 16:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Redirect in the opposite way?

Should Turkey redirect to the new official name Türkiye? 50.64.123.231 (talk) 14:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

No. Turkey, officially the Republic of Türkiye

see Ivory Coast. Beshogur (talk) 15:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)