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Section sizes

Section size for Vladimir Putin (68 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	21,200	21,200
Early life	4,928	4,928
Education	7,232	7,232
KGB career	13,126	13,126
Political career	190	197,211
1990–1996: Saint Petersburg administration	5,252	5,252
1996–1999: Early Moscow career	6,623	6,623
1999: First premiership	3,356	3,356
1999–2000: Acting presidency	6,198	6,198
2000–2004: First presidential term	5,020	5,020
2004–2008: Second presidential term	20,749	20,749
2008–2012: Second premiership	4,594	4,594
2012–2018: Third presidential term	17,930	47,397
Annexation of Crimea	14,262	14,262
Intervention in Syria	4,155	4,155
Russia's interference in the 2016 US election	11,050	11,050
2018–2024: Fourth presidential term	11,966	85,604
COVID-19 pandemic	12,566	12,566
Constitutional referendum and amendments	4,384	4,384
Iran trade deal	934	934
2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis	7,958	7,958
Full-scale invasion of Ukraine (2022–present)	34,652	34,652
ICC arrest warrant	4,755	4,755
2023 Wagner rebellion	8,389	8,389
2024–present: Fifth presidential term	12,228	12,228
Domestic policies	8,467	48,425
Economic, industrial, and energy policies	9,878	9,878
Environmental policy	1,267	1,267
Religious policy	4,360	4,360
Military development	6,988	6,988
Human rights policy	5,233	5,233
The media	3,963	3,963
Promoting conservatism	6,900	6,900
International sporting events	1,369	1,369
Foreign policy	3,126	80,592
Asia	9,682	9,682
Post-Soviet states	19,158	19,158
United States, Western Europe, and NATO	21,345	21,345
United Kingdom	1,252	6,195
Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko	2,666	2,666
Poisoning of Sergei Skripal	2,277	2,277
Latin America	2,579	2,579
Australia and the South Pacific	3,739	3,739
Middle East and Africa	14,768	14,768
Public image	226	35,573
Polls and rankings	24,662	24,662
Cult of personality	5,833	5,833
Public recognition in the West	3,510	3,510
Putinisms	1,342	1,342
Assessments	16,380	21,714
After the 2022 invasion of Ukraine	5,334	5,334
Electoral history	2,395	2,395
Personal life	20	45,124
Family	14,147	14,147
Wealth	10,831	10,831
Residences	19	7,611
Official government residences	1,538	1,538
Personal residences	6,054	6,054
Pets	1,009	1,009
Religion	2,873	2,873
Sports	4,540	4,540
Health	4,093	4,093
Awards and honours	605	605
Explanatory notes	43	43
References	44	469
Sources	425	425
Further reading	323	323
External links	6,269	6,269
Total	485,229	485,229

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Can native English speakers write this

Or does it have to sound like Alexa is making it up on the spot? I I have never read an article with 600 sources that explains absolutely nothing about a person.

Can someone please translate this to American English native tongue? I mean look up any other person on Wikipedia and then read this.

Yeah. So can someone point me to the real English wiki entry? 2003:C7:8731:DA3:A1AF:258C:424:E1D5 (talk) 05:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you're looking for https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin. ––FormalDude talk 05:11, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Putin worked as a KGB foreign intelligence officer for 16 years, rising to the rank of lieutenant colonel, before resigning in 1991 to begin a political career in Saint Petersburg

Why doesn't the say Putin worked a cushy desk job in for 16 years and during that time he got promoted once. 16 years of his life, one promotion? Is that normal in Russia?

That makes it sound like it took him 16 years to finally realize that he wanted to be useful. And then, to this day, the 600-something sources and the achievements page just looks like he joined all the clubs in high school.

I came here to read if Putin was competent, I read nothing interesting about him. 16 years this guy does nothing. Then President of Russia? Nothing before that? 16 years? Name one thing anyone has ever done that took them 16 years and resulted in 1 promotion.

What is the point of this sentence? Highlighting put in was inept for 16 yrs, finally got his stuff together, decided to run for president, won on the first try, and now we're in a frat boy biggest balls show-off?

Can we have relevant information on this page? Like final war relevant info. Nobody cares about anything on this page except Putin.

Please give us actual information about the person running the largest country in the world.

Cause this doesn't explain much more than Trumps wiki page.

Guessing Putin is Russias Trump? Otherwise, why wouldn't there be any relevant information here? 2003:C7:8731:DA3:A1AF:258C:424:E1D5 (talk) 05:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Putin is not Russia

At a number of places in the article, various cited claims are made, of the form "<someone> said <something bad> about Russia", like they said Russia was authoritarian, or whatever.

Well, those claims belong in an article about Russia. This article is about Putin. I haven't checked the citations, because I think the claims don't belong in the article, even if the citation supports the claims.

It may be that the citations support some claims about Putin, specifically; but then we need new claims, and I'm not going to do that research. I just want to go through the article deleting material that conflates Putin with Russia.

I welcome your views.

MrDemeanour (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please sign your posts on talk pages, using four tildes (~~~~), or clicking the signature icon

on the edit toolbar. And yes, if something is not about Putin - it can be removed. --Renat 18:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Most news sources are calling Putin Russia, as in "Russia said Ukraine was an invention of Lenin", and indeed calling him "the Kremlin" as in "The Kremlin stated NATO's expansion was unacceptable". Since all otehr voices in Russia have been silenced, Putin is indeed Russia. 2.31.162.90 (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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	:Please sign your posts on talk pages, using four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>), or clicking the signature icon [[File:OOjs UI icon signature-ltr.svg\|22px]] on the edit toolbar. And yes, if something is not about Putin - it can be removed. --[[User:RenatUK\|<span style="background-color:#FF7400; color:#FFFFFF;">Renat</span>]] 18:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)		:Please sign your posts on talk pages, using four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>), or clicking the signature icon [[File:OOjs UI icon signature-ltr.svg\|22px]] on the edit toolbar. And yes, if something is not about Putin - it can be removed. --[[User:RenatUK\|<span style="background-color:#FF7400; color:#FFFFFF;">Renat</span>]] 18:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

			::Most news sources are calling Putin Russia, as in "Russia said Ukraine was an invention of Lenin", and indeed calling him "the Kremlin" as in "The Kremlin stated NATO's expansion was unacceptable". Since all otehr voices in Russia have been silenced, Putin is indeed Russia. [[Special:Contributions/2.31.162.90\|2.31.162.90]] ([[User talk:2.31.162.90\|talk]]) 19:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)