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Your GA nomination of Lambert (automobile)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Lambert (automobile) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Steelkamp -- Steelkamp (talk) 17:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Caroline Reboux

The article Caroline Reboux you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Caroline Reboux for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Alanna the Brave -- Alanna the Brave (talk) 23:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Manistee Watch Company

The article Manistee Watch Company you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Manistee Watch Company for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vice regent -- Vice regent (talk) 07:21, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Find a Grave images

While searching for material for the James Davis (printer) article I came across a couple of images of Davis' tombstone and historical plaque at Find a Grave, which can be found here. At the bottom of the page, however, there is a copyright notice, but I was wondering if it was appropriate, and if there was a way to use these photos. I checked Flickr, but no luck there. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 00:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Gwillhickers: Nope. This is a case where one can NOT use those pictures because of the copyright. No way around that. I have come across the same thing several times in the past and have not figured out a way past that.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 09:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I was sort of assuming that one couldn't simply take a picture of such an old public item and have it copyrighted, but apparently any photo that ends up at Find a Grave becomes their property automatically. There is another example of Davis' tombstone and historical plaque here that apparently are not copyrighted, but they're partial shots, of lesser quality. Will keep on searching. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:21, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Those pictures do belong to somebody and ARE copyrighted. The ones marked Photos courtesy of Gray Whitley, New Bern Sun Journal are copyrighted photos and we can NOT use on Wikipedia. Best thing is the hope someone has uploaded asuch a picture at Flickr and then ask them to lower their copyright. No other way around it.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 18:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

I was thinking about going the 'Fair use' route, but there are size and resolution limits involved with Fair Use criteria. One of the photos at find a Grave has a 'request photo' option so I signed up and got an account there, and submitted a request to use the photo on Wikipedia, making it clear it was for educational use only. If that doesn't pan out I could always try to contact Gray Whitley, at the New Bern Sun Journal and request usage. Seems like a lot of trouble for just a photo of a plaque, but why not? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Gwillhickers: I see it is Jim Dugan of Find-A-Grave that apparently took those pictures. I see there is a Send A Message option at Find-A-Grave, but apparently you have to be a member to do that, as it says - You need a Find a Grave account to continue. If you signed up and contacted him directly you may have good luck in getting him to lower his copyright of "All Rights Reserved" (default) to Public Domain. If he is willing to do that then there is an option at Commons Help Desk where they will accept that copyright with a copy of the email that Jim Dugan sends you saying this. It has to be 'Public Domain because it is Commercial needed and Modifications needed for Wikipedia. Educational purposes ONLY will not do it for Wikipedia. They won't accept a copyright license this way. Contact Commons Help Desk for further on this. It is a good thing to learn, as you may have to go this route sometimes. I have got pictures this way and was able to use them THEN in Wikipedia articles = several times! You should contact Commons Help Desk to learn about this. A good way to get pictures of things. ALL PICTURES are "All Rights Reserved" by default, unless the picture taker himself is willing to lower his copyright to Public Domain. That is the license needed to use on a Wikipedia article. So, bottom line is -

Contact Commons Help Desk Desk concerning this. They will fill you in. It's a good thing to learn!!!!! --Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it was Jim Dugan who took, or contributed, the photo of the plaque, and someone called Bronxbrat who contributed the photo of Davis' tombstone. There are emails for each member. Yes, I have an account at Find a Grave, but will be emailing them directly, requesting the photos and informing them of my intentions.  ( Done)  If things work out then I'll get a hold of the Commons help desk and take it from there. This is indeed a valuable education, as my uploads to Commons have most always been public domain images, which are of course of great educational and historic value. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Turning James Davis into a Good Article

• @Gwillhickers: Keep this in mind -> I don't see why you can't turn James Davis into a Good Article, especially if you do as I suggest above and then add an InfoBox. I have submitted two more GANs lately = Lambert Gas and Gasoline Engine Company and Buckeye Manufacturing Company. I worked them up for improvements off-line THEN just dropped in the improvements with the edit summary improvements and more references. Check out previous version before my improvements of Lambert Gas and Gasoline Engine Company Old Version. This is Buckeye Manufacturing Company old version. This is before my 21:34, 11 February 2022 (major improvements). --Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

The article still has some work needed, and I'm trying to determine whether James Davis as the Justice of the Peace is the one who presided over the Spencer Dew trial, the man facing execution for counterfeiting and thievery, and who accused Davis of receiving counterfeit notes from, in an apparent attempt to discredit Davis. Also, from my understanding, info-boxes are not required for an article to become GA, but if you would like to add one I've no objections. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Gwillhickers: You are right, that an infobox is NOT required for GA. Since you have 99% authorship into the article, I'll let you decide what to do. Besides it will probably be you that nominates the article for GAN anyway. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Gwillhickers: I still would suggest an infobox, even though not required for GA. Generally speaking it looks better -and- would encourage the GA reviewer to approve and promote your article to Good Article status. Maybe have as a picture (for now anyway) his Twenty Shilling currency note. If later you can get a plaque picture, THEN drop that in. Test it out to see how that looks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Gwillhickers: I still would suggest an infobox (experience from my 200 GAs). Test it out to see how that looks. You can always change pictures in the infobox if you get a better one later.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:04, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Gwillhickers: What you think of the idea if I nominated Davis for Good Article? If I did then probably a good portion of the issues you would have to solve as you are most familiar with the history. I can probably do grammar, copy editing, and things like that. We both would get credit for doing the Good Article. Or maybe you just want to nominate the article yourself for Good Article. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Gwillhickers: I have got two more of my nominations promoted to Good Article today = Lambert (automobile) and Caroline Reboux Found 207 successful nominations (GA promotion dates are given in brackets) (talk) -- Doug Coldwell 17:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Interesting one

• @Gwillhickers: Now here is an interesting one. Did you happen to notice that Buckeye Manufacturing Company and Lambert Gas and Gasoline Engine Company BOTH got their improvements and and more references at 10:57, 15 February 2022‎. I was able to do that since I had each upgraded article in a text file off-line. I have 2 Toshiba laptops and on each I just dropped in my new text to replace the existing article and clicked Publish changes on each one at the same time. That then gives a time stamp of BOTH being edited at the same time with these major improvements. It drives the Administrators at the GA arena crazy on how that happens, since I do not show any draft edits. There is no rule against making improvements to an article in draft off-line. I just drop the finished product in at the end as a completed upgraded article ready for GAN in just one edit. Then I immediately submit GAN on each completed article -> so, bottom line is that I have FOUR time stamps at 10:57, 15 February 2022‎. Check it out.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Gwillhickers: This is a technique I learned way back in my DYK days. I made many multiple article DYKs this way. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Gwillhickers: Now here is another interesting one. Did you happen to notice that Union (automobile) and Union Automobile Company BOTH got their major improvements at 16:16, 23 February 2022‎. I was able to do that since I had each upgraded article in a text file off-line. I have 2 Toshiba laptops and on each I just dropped in my new text to replace the existing article and clicked Publish changes on each one at the same time. That then gives a time stamp of BOTH being edited at the same time with these major improvements. It drives the Administrators at the GA arena crazy on how that happens, since I do not show any draft edits. There is no rule against making improvements to an article in draft off-line. I just drop the finished product in at the end as a completed upgraded article ready for GAN in just one edit. The administrators THEN check the Earwig reading on each of these articles to make sure I did just did not copy someone's website. I hope the numbers it gives is acceptable to them. The tools I use for this technique of off-line draft articles in a text file are in Drawer 10. They are in this last Drawer because they are big heavy tools and lay then on ground level. The tools are big and heavy for major construction. I used these same tools for the last 14 years to make hundreds of DYKs, especially multiple article DYKs. These heavy tools are specially designed to construct a lot of DYKs and GAs quickly. In the long run the articles I create (or make major improvements to) are easier then the normal way to edit to create or improve articles that most other editors use. These tools have special electronics and software to them and are basically semi-automatic.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:32, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Gwillhickers: I now have 13 GANs in the queue.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
• @Gwillhickers: I assumed that you checked out Earwig on Union (automobile) and Union Automobile Company. Keep in mind that these are articles I dropped in from off-line text files on the upgraded articles ready go GAN. I believe with few issues that these articles will be promoted to Good Article. What do you think?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:39, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Am a little wrapped up in a couple of articles I just created at present, but will give your articles a look first chance I get -- soon. No doubt they're your usual good work. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Permission for image use

After inquiring to James Dugan about whether he would give me permission to use his photo of the Davis historical plaque he promptly replied back informing me he would be more than happy to do so. He even attached his original his-res photo, i.e. 2238 x 2252. The one at Find a Grave is only 590 x 545. He only asked that he be given credit for the photo. While it is standard to list the artist or photographer name in the file summary, I believe we are not allowed to mention any such names of living persons in the caption. In any case, I'm going to inquire at the commons help desk and ask them about that and how I verify receiving permission from Dugan to use his photo, but I figured I'd check with you first. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gwillhickers: Yes! You are correct we are not allowed to mention any such names of living persons in the caption of the picture. Only at the Commons upload as the picture taker. Good Luck in your pursuit. Fill me in of what happens bottom line.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, I made the inquiry here. Commons no longer allows files with permission to upload from a second party and would require Dugan and myself to jump through several hoops and fill out the appropriate forms/templates where he would relinquish all rights under a free license and have him send it to commons here: permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. I emailed Dugan and advised him that the easiest way to have the image available at Wikipedia is to upload it himself, but he would have to create an account first, and it would seem that all this would be asking for a lot of time and effort on his part, no doubt. If Dugan gets an account and uploads the image then I can use the file once uploaded. Meanwhile I included a link to the photo under External links on the Davis article. Waiting for Dugan's reply. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:37, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Gwillhickers: Yup. I've had the same problem with the Commons paperwork. Option B = Have Dugan get a free Flickr account and upload it to Flickr. After he uploads it to Flickr, THEN you can teach him how to place the correct license on it. This I've learned is the easiest path to get a copyright acceptable picture for Wikipedia. Have done it this way many times over the years.--Doug Coldwell (talk)

I've already suggested Dugan establish his own account here at WP, and that if his photo was in subject specific articles they would be viewed by people interested in that particular subject. Flickr is another option, yes, but if Dugan isn't going to bother with Wikipedia it would seem he would feel the same way about opening an account at Flickr. We'll see. Lotta work for a picture of a plaque, aye? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, he may be hesitant about getting a Flickr account now. Next time this event comes up again JUST suggest the Flickr idea. It is simpler and an easier account to get. Then all they have to do us upload their picture to Flicrr. AFTER they do that (which is All Rights Reserved by default) THEN have them lower the license to Attribution license. This license identifies who the picture taker is. Wikipedia will NOT accept the condiion that a picture is for educational purposes only. They reason here is that others use Wikipedia pictures on their websites on the idea they are public domain pictures. That means others have a websites that are for commercial purposes (to make money). So Wikipedia then needs in the first place a license that allows that = Attribution. Also others are likely to modify the Wikipedia picture (colorize it, move items around, eliminate parts) on the idea that is alright since it is a public domain picture. There they need a license that allows that = Attribution. So bottom line is to get them to upload to Flickr -and- in the future just give that ONE option. Keep it simple = better chance it works out. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Gwillhickers: Here is a potential picture you could use for your infobox Just get them to lower their copyright license to Attribution -> per my technique suggested. THEN just crop it out and rotate 1 degree to the right and it would make an excellent image representation of Davis. Good luck.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:50, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, James Dugan came through, got himself a WP (commons) account and uploaded the file under a Creative Commons license. The image is now in the Davis article under Final days and legacy section. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gwillhickers: Perfect place for it. It so happens that I lived in Ashville, North Carolina for many years and traveled all over the state.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:23, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I unearthed some interesting background info about the historical plaque, in the North Carolina Historical Review, and added it as the last paragraph in the Legacy section. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:10, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lambert (automobile)

The article Lambert (automobile) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Lambert (automobile) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Steelkamp -- Steelkamp (talk) 16:01, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Caroline Reboux

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New image

• Thanks for adding the new image and the info box. Just curious, how is this image your own work? In any case, I modified the info box a bit.-- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
• I lived in Ashville, North Carolina for several years and traveled all over the state and Tennessee. Photography is one of my hobbies, as you can see by these 60,000 pictures I have uploaded to Flickr. I happen to have had that picture in my collection of North Carolina pictures.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Nice! Any chance you have a photo of Davis' tombstone tucked away and perhaps forgotten about? I meant to ask earlier, can you do a search on Flickr by user name only? I tried adding James Dugan to the Flickr search window, but only got the usual flood of meaningless hits, not even one by Dugan. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, I found something. Staring me right in the face: search by 'people', but for some reason I'm not getting any photo results when I click on 'Follow' for James Dugan. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

• I'll look some more for a tombstone picture on Davis. I'm not sure on the "Follow" thing, but I think what it means is that you are notified when he adds pictures to his photostream. No, I don't think you can search by Flickr User Name. It would seem that you should be able to = but don't know how. Might be a good question for Wikipedia Reference Desk, under subtopic "Computers".--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:16, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Ready for GA

Okay, I believe the James Davis (printer) article is ready for a GA nomination. I'll give it one more going over, and welcome you to do so, before I nominate it. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:41, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

 Done -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Did a little image management in the Davis article. Yes, the infobox with an image of the Gazette was perhaps a little inappropriate for a biography. So! You had an image of Davis' tombstone after all. I suppose with many thousands of images in your photo library it was collecting dust in one of your folders, aye? Now that we have an image of the actual tombstone I removed the spelled out version of the inscription. Great addition. Many thanks. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:13, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Gwillhickers: Article is looking real good. Looks like a Good Article to me. Now all you have to do is make your other articles look as pretty as this one and you will have a handful of Good Articles. You are not that far from that. I think I have a competitor on my heals! --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:18, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mary F. Hoyt

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Your GA nomination of Mary F. Hoyt

The article Mary F. Hoyt you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Mary F. Hoyt for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kavyansh.Singh -- Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Question "Find Information" User Page Section

Hi Doug,

I am a new Wikipedia editor and I am learning about the sections of a user page. I noticed that you have the following figures in your "Find Information:" "($28,804 in 2020) = automatically adjusts to current year output, just need amount and start year; another example ($62,216 in 2020)" that I don't understand. Can you please explain the purpose of these figures on your User page?

Thanks for supporting my learning! Robinedits (talk) 02:41, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

@Robinedits: It's a note to myself that shows the template {{USDCY|1000|1906}. That template I use often on many of the articles I am editing when I open that section by clicking on "edit". An example is at the bottom of Lambert (automobile) is a large table and in that table is "Cost" where I used that template a lot for the cost of each car model.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:44, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mary F. Hoyt

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William Austin Burt article, Ancestry section

Hi Doug Coldwell,

Information contained in the Ancestry diagram about Richard^1 Burt, and his son, Richard^2 Burt is not accurate. The diagram cites an unsourced, error prone 1913 sketch by William Richard Cutter. As below, that author either didn't make the reported claims, or his report was in error,

(1) The birth, parentage and origins of the immigrating ancestor, Richard^1 Burt, are unknown. Cutter (1913) did not report when or where Richard^1 Burt was born, nor did the author associate Richard with the place "Dorchester, England." Cutter wrote "Some of [the early Taunton] settlers were from Dorchester, Massachusetts."

(2) The Wikipedia article reports "Jane Adams" was the wife of Richard^1 Burt and mother of Richard^2 Burt. Cutter makes no such claim. Despite that family files and internet user contributed sites name such a wife, no known New England record concerns or mentions Richard's wife. Her identify is unknown or unproven.

(3) While Cutter (1913) reported Richard^2 Burt was born in 1629, he does not say where. (So, Cutter does not claim Richard^2 Burt was born at Caundle Marsh, England.)

(4) Richard^1 Burt isn't known to have died in 1641. Cutter errored when he reported the death "before October 26, 1641, on which date his son Richard chose a guardian." The referenced date should have been 26 October 1647. See Nathaniel B. Shurtleff and David Pulsifer, eds., Records of the colony of New Plymouth, in New England 12 vols. in 10 (Boston : Press of W. White, 1855-61), 2:119; digital images, Hathi Trust. The court record refers to Richard^1 Burt as "deceased, late of Taunton."