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DYK for American Motor League

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Removed commercial link

Hi Doug,

I'm wondering why you removed the commercial link I put on as the current link to buy an Amsterdammertje ('Amsterdammertje kopen') doesn't work. Is the fact that my link links to a commercial site more important than for people to see where they could buy one if they would like to (even internationally). Besides that, as far as I can see GeoTypico is the only site that sells these bollards internationally. I understand Wikepedia shouldn't become an index of every seller of a certain product but GeoTypico is the only one selling these. So, information wise I think this is interesting for readers interested in getting an Amsterdammertje. Why otherwise is a link to where one could buy one placed in the first place?

Thanks for your response.

Regards, Bob. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boblei2 (talk • contribs) 10:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Bob,

I believe it is called "spam" - Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming. Spam in America is considered a very low quality food. Wikipedia is looking for only high quality material. I think the theory is that if one person is allowed a commercial link, then another must be allowed a commercial link or two. Then we get three or four and more - too much "spam" (too much low quality material). Commercial links of any amount or any kind are NOT allowed at all on Wikipedia.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

In addition, Bob, you might also want to read WP:ADV and Wikipedia:NOTADVERTISING. Wikipedia is not a public directory, it is not a company profile, and we do not work for free just so commercial companies profit from our labor of maintaining your pages. Even non-profit companies must abide by Wikipedia's policies on neutrality and its non-promotional nature.

Promoting anything is prohibited, period. -- Obsidi♠n^Soul 12:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Plague doctor articles

Just thought I should drop by and say that while I've disagreed with a few of your edits to "Plague doctor" and "Beak doctor costume" recently, I can see that you're editing in good faith and are trying to improve Wikipedia, and I respect that. It's good to have constructive arguments about article content, but do let me know if you feel I'm being uncivil. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems that you have quite an interest in the plague doctor. My interest varies from time to time as you can see by my 200 Did You Knows. Lately it has been in antique automobiles and the biographies of the men that built them. I have good faith that you can improve the plague doctor articles better than I can. I think I'll go on to articles related to antique cars.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:35, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

P.S. You probably already picked up on the fact I started the article on Charles de Lorme.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:43, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Gottfried Schloemer

Hello! Your submission of Gottfried Schloemer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!

-- Bit confused by your DYK nom. Surely the world's first gasoline automobile was created by Karl Benz four years earlier? Jheald (talk) 11:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Replied.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

That's a huge improvement on the readability of the lead. Fantastic!

On the key question of who supports his claim to priority in the U.S., it might be useful to quote in the refs what Britannica, Geist, McClure and May actually say on this; also to give the context for the Clymer quote -- what words came just before the "that"? Was he casting the Schloemer claim as cast-iron, or as something from the wild side?

But really well done on this, I hope you agree it's really going in a good direction. Jheald (talk) 19:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:48, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's a great improvement. I've made a few more tweaks to the lead -- hope that's okay. One other thing: looking at the sources added, some of them seem to give Frank Toepfer almost equal credit with Schloemer. Is it worth adding in a couple of sentences, to clarify what was his role in the endeavour? Jheald (talk) 12:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I have in the article the wording There with Frank Toepfer he made the first gas-fueled automobile. If you feel more is needed, go ahead and add. Your wording is far superior to mine. I'll be gone most of today, so probably won't be editing until this evening.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

FYI, I am in communication with the great grandson (and great granddauther) of Gottfried. They really like the article and confirm that as far as they know everything looks correct and they recall the information as they grew up. They live in Milwaukee and have often seen the car in the Milwaukee Public Museum. They remember seeing the car and have been given rides in it as kids.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for McArthur Mining Company

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gottfried Schloemer

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 10:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:13, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Pinakes (tables listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Pinakes (tables. Since you had some involvement with the Pinakes (tables redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Eeekster (talk) 03:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Pinakes

Dear Doug, thanks again for the help. I notice now that you originally created the page and also disagree with my move. Do you want to open a discussion of this on its talk page—as I probably should have done before taking action? The Cardiff Chestnut (talk) 19:31, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. Tell me your logic for your naming at the article Talk page.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cronaca fiorentina di Marchionne di Coppo Stefani

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me on the Did You Know.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:20, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Baldassarre Bonaiuti

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:03, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for informing me on the Did You Know.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Mutiny at Sucro

Do you have access to the sources for this article? Why does it have a Causes section and a Reasons section? Aren't they two sides of the same coin? Malleus Fatuorum 19:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, have access to the sources. Which in particular? Only JSTOR I do not have access to as I don't have a subscription - have it in a PDF file.

Yes, have to agree with you that probably they are two sides of the same coin. My first idea on Causes was that I had listed the specific causes as a list. Another editor suggested it should be in prose instead, which is what I did. Causes would be specific reasons. Reasons would be how it came about (i.e. Scipio's illness, low morale, 35 ringleaders). If you like I can drop the header for Causes or do you have another idea.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:55, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

My only idea is that you need to combine those two sections. You're trying to tell an engaging and encylopedic story, not write the definitive history of the Sucro rebellion: others have done that for you. Malleus Fatuorum 20:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Combined the Reason and Causes sections. Shortened this then alittle. FYI, most of the material is from Livy, Ab urbe condita, XXVIII (28.24–29) and Polybius, Histories, Libri XI in particular 11.25-30.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:00, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

For Secondary sources, the best I found was A greater than Napoleon: Scipio Africanus By Sir Basil Henry Liddell Hart. I obtained the book itself through I.L.L. The pages for the Sucro rebellion are 72-80.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

• I've reviewed the nomination at DYK and I have an issue with the referencing. Could you see my comments at the nomination and reply there? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done as requested.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:42, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mutiny at Sucro

Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Request

Please do not alter other people's talk userpages. It's tantamount to vandalism. --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 16:49, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

thanks for cleaning up

The quote at Battle of Cartagena (209 BC)‎. I knew that there was a way to do better than I had but in the tradition of Lazy Wikipedia Editing (LWE) I left it (not for very long) for someone else to deal with. Thanks for picking up my dropped relay baton. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:20, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Glad to help.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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No idea, sorry.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Otium, DYK's suggestion

Perhaps: "... according to Cicero..." or ...Seneca. I do not see better possibilities. The article deserves for GA. Good job. With regards. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Great idea of Cicero or Seneca, get's me thinking.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:04, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK idea: ...according to Cicero otium with dignity is the one that stands first and is most to be desired by all happy, honest, and healthy-minded men?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

OK. I can review this DYK. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 12:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

I left a thought on the article talk page about the placement of Aristotle in the article (& also Virgil) Jheald (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Let's work on getting it "B" class first. GA is presently pie in the sky. By inches and increments construction helps. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:29, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Getting it "B" class first sounds good to me. Thanks for all the improvements.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

No offense, but these messages you are sending out seem a bit like spamming. I have nothing to do with this article and it has nothing to do with me; same for most of the people you are messaging, I assume. You're a very experienced editor and I've never noticed you doing this before, I'm not quite sure what's going on. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

After all that hard work, you need an Otium

	Otium
	Nice job! Onward and upward. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:15, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for all the improvements. How do we get an reevaluation through the WikiProject Latin and WikiProject Classical and Rome to get a possible B-Class rating and perhaps a rating in "importance"?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:25, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember. But I requested and got a "B" not too long ago on Oliver Hazard Perry, so it's there in the talk page. Make sure that the talk page has the right projects on it, too. I think you can put in ??? in the ratings, which will show it then as unrated. Unfortunately, this all takes time. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking good. --Dweller (talk) 11:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

As I recall, I went to each of the project pages and requested a reassessment to "B". Hope that helps. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:44, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I went to each WikiProject and asked how to go about getting a reassessment. Hope for the best.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that "peer review" is where you want to be. I think that's above WP:GA and maybe above WP:FA. But I could be wrong. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

My guess is that I could get a "peer review" for possible future GA status. Meanwhile, I'll request for reassessment to "B". --Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Villa Otium. An interesting tidbit 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Very interesting.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Now that you've got two "B"s (and fast at that), we ask for a GA. The question is whether you wait awhile and improve it first; or go directly in. My experience is that getting a GA is quite a bit more rigorous. You have a lot of book citations, which bodes well. Broadening it out and getting some on line citations as in line references might make it more appealing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I note that there is now a dissent on the talk page. And it seems to have some pertinent criticisms (I know little about this subject, and don't pretend to be capable of doing a meaningful assessment. Have to wait and see how that shakes out. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, it looks like I have some work ahead of me. I'll keep doing some more studying and making improvements. It looks like it will be a lengthier project than I anticipated. I remember when I worked on GAs for Conclusion of the American Civil War I created and Australia and the American Civil War that User: Bedford created. They were rigorous projects.

Well, its a good thing otium is an interesting subject that I like. I have learned much already. BTW, I know how much work you have done on the article and I do appreciate it. I have seen you around in the past, working on my lighthouse articles. You are a lighthouse expert. This article will keep me busy for the next few months. Its a good thing I am retired and have lots of leisure time.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Doug, I worked on lots of lighthouse articles. I had a grand plan, which was to get the Michigan lighthouse articles in order, and to create the host of articles that have not yet been born. I also worked on a lot of them in other states. I got put off the grand plan when there was an intervention by some of our esteemed editors who did not like my use of templates to put in authorities on lighthouse articles. IMHO, they did not realize the benefits of the way we were doing it, and only saw that it violated their general rules and policies. They got rid of a lot of careful work that benefited the articles. My grand plan got put on hold indefinitely. Just talking about it pisses me off. So beware of the traps, and do remember (as I should, I know). Illegitimi non carborundum. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:00, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Possible reference

I don't want to paint over your oeuvre. What about this Horace, Ode 2.16 Michael Gilleland? 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

That's a very interesting heavy duty Ode. I'll have to study it further. Thanks for forwarding.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Now for something completely different. As a word, Otium and variants appear in a great many Wikipedia articles. For your consideration. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:53, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Great idea!! I'll use that information to provide "What links here". Thanks again.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:16, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Now your (removed "citation style" tag as inline references follow MOS and the Reference Sources are as referred to by the inline references) is OK, I think. Tweaked up the references quite a bit. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:09, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Notice at the top of my user page/user talk

Just letting you know that I find it quite complimentary when people call me Doug. But it is a little confusing, hence the notice. :-) --Dweller (talk) 11:36, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for compliment.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Otium

There's not really a strict process to it, but the best is to ask the corresponding Wikiproject members to assess it for class and importance. Both are a bit subjective, and importance is not related to the quality of the article, so don't be disappointed if the assessment doesn't really change things. bibliomaniac15 21:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Some day, if we're both very very good, maybe we'll deserve a Barnstar? Apparently Zippy is a lot better at this than we are. Your substantive improvements in the article are where the real battle is. Good job! This WP:gnome thing is not totally satisfying. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:09, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

This is an interesting subject and has a good deal more that could be added from further reliable sources. This has a subsantial early history and could go into more there. Modern uses could use more sources and examples if possible. I did a few bold edits with very little content change but reworded the main headers and removed many headers. I raised the importance with a bold edit and placed this article in the WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome collaboration section at the project page.--Amadscientist (talk) 06:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	For your work on Otium. May you retire (but not soon) in peace. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:15, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Already retired in peace and leisure. But doing Wikipedia in the spirit of ancient Greek philosophy. Basically I'm a Petrarch fan.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:24, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22738816@N07/4910731107/

Given that, please make sure you contribute (if you haven't already) to Northern Michigan, which is (we can't say this) my project. I have lots of others, too, but I did reshape that article in a big big way. My cottage is on the other side of the mitten. See Sturgeon Point Light. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:57, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Otium

Hi Doug, sorry for taking so long to reply, I have been on an enforced wikibreak for the last month. Hopefully by now you have sorted out your issues with this article. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 07:43, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

OK. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Italian Wikipedia on Otium 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:34, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

German Wikipedia on Otium I haven't tried French, etc. But these articles list a whole lof interesting sources. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:38, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Danke schon !!!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Please stop editing this article, until you can report a source accurately. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:57, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Otium

Hello! Your submission of Otium at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Harrias ^talk 17:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply: I've asked Pmanderson whether they are happy with the state of the article, because after all, if they simply add tags back in, then they may be there when the article gets to the main page. I want to be sure that the article is relatively stable in this regard before continuing the review. Harrias ^talk 23:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

OK, in last time I am really overworked and unfortunately I do not have too much time. This article is a long. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 01:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Otium

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Red Cross stove

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Great work on the Red Cross Stove. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Way mature

Sigh. Dahn (talk) 00:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Otium

I appreciate your persistence with such a conceptually difficult topic. Many editors would've given up by now. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for compliment. I have Jean-Marie Andre's extensive study L'otium dans la vie morale et intellectuelle romaine des origines a l'epoque Augusteenne now in my hands (this is the otium Bible). The important pages I've scanned in, so if you have any questions on an Andre reference I can send you the page via e-mail. Just send me a note, so I can send back an attachment.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 16:23, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William Hamlin

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Experiment (horse powered boat)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Together we are better

	The Complementary Editor
	We fit together perfectly. For your excellent editing at Patent Office 1836 fire 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:11, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Petrarch Code

I sure was lucky to find the references to the Petrarch Code in those unusual places. Thanks for the offer, but I think this will do.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, there does seem to be a Petrarch-Chaucer connection. Thanks for pointing that out.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Patent Office 1836 fire

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Lincoln's Patent

I left some thoughts on the talk page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:32, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll start to work on those ideas.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 1877 U. S. Patent Office fire

The DYK project (nominate) 15:32, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Abraham Lincoln's patent

The DYK project (nominate) 23:48, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Exemplary cooperation

		The Half Barnstar
		Lovely article, and exemplary cooperation. Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you! John Henry Devereux

	The Half Barnstar
	Lovely article. Great cooperation. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:57, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 00:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Work is krow spelled backwards

	The plowman toils his field	SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS
	With the tools of his trade . . . For your hard work and indefatigable guidance. Sator Squared 7&6=thirteen (☎) 03:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for compliments! What an interesting article.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I thought it would be up your alley. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

I will keep my eye

on John Henry Devereux, but that is functioning, or attempting to function, in an arena that I rarely enter. Which is the what happens to an article AFTER it is more or less done. However if I see it being discussed I will leap into the fray. Have a good trip, take lots of pictures. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Carp, the only dangling issue seems to be saying something under "Selected works" that John Devereux built, rebuilt and designed a lot of buildings. One of our editors thinks this "confusing". I disagree, but of course, he's 'the judge.' As I have been known to tell parties who are dealing with me when I am arbitrating a case, "Don't mess with the witch doctor. So if you have some verbiage that you think could allay the problem, please feel free. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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 Done--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for John Henry Devereux

Orlady (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Ablaq DYK Nom

Hi Doug, I reviewed Ablaq and the nomination looks set to pass, but there's one little issue regarding a missing inline citation that needs to be taken care of before I could approve. See DYK nom. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:00, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Rewrote it and put in a citation. Notified Al Ameer son. Bon appetit. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for handling that so quickly. Kudos to you!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:44, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mildred Seydell

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Your contributions to Mildred Seydell were outstanding. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:33, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the accolade.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:46, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Christopher Werner

Victuallers (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ablaq

Rschen7754 02:22, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors

The DYK project (nominate) 22:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Very cool user page!!! Bddmagic (talk) 04:03, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

1964 World's Fair photos

Thank you for posting such great photos of the 1964 World's Fair. Again, Thank You, --BrianBeeler (talk) 16:27, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I was at the 1964 New York World's Fair and took the pictures myself.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:58, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Doug Coldwell. You have new messages at WP:HD.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Nyttend (talk) 12:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that fixed it.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Knighton

Thanks Victuallers (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for General Prologue of the Wycliffe Bible

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Doug Coldwell. You have new messages at Berean Hunter's talk page.
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Sorry for the late reply.
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2nd Ward, Big Rapids, Michigan

According to his death certificate my great grandfather died in the 2nd Ward of the city of Big Rapids, Michigan, at the age of 67 years on Dec 24, 1872. How do I go about finding where exactly this area is in the city of Big Rapids. The certificate says he died of "erysipelas", whatever that is. Sounds like to me a doctor was in attendance at his death to be able to know the cause of death. He was an American Civil War veteran and was a very poor person at death. I am trying to figure out what potential cemetery he may be buried in. I am guessing in the city of Big Rapids someplace, maybe in the 2nd Ward. Where would I go for clues as to where he is buried?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:42, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

As far as locating the second ward, the best place to call is the City Hall of the city in question. Someone there can answer. --Jayron32 19:45, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

We have an article on erysipelas, Doug. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 20:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The City of Big Rapids - Who Should I Call? page says "Literacy Information, Public Internet Access, Genealogy, Books, Children's Programs: Big Rapids Library and gives a phone number and email address. Alansplodge (talk) 22:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Or if you would rather proceed under your own steam, Mecosta County, Michigan: Family History & Genealogy, Census, Birth, Marriage, Death Vital Records & More (Big Rapids appears to be part of Mecosta County). There is also Mecosta County, MI Genealogy Forum, where you could post a query. Alansplodge (talk) 22:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

What excellent leads. Thanks a bunch!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Hope it works out - some guesswork from me as I'm in London! Alansplodge (talk) 22:29, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Michigan GenWeb for Mecosta County has an 1884 city directory with some local history and lists and maps of local cemeteries. Rmhermen (talk) 02:40, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for additional info. Very helpful.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:48, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Fourteenth century English Parliament

In the article The Twelve Conclusions of the Lollards it seems to indicate that parliament took place every two years. Would that be correct for the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries? How often was parliament in King Richard II's time and King Edward III's time?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:07, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

List of Parliaments of England gives a complete list. Executive summary: during that time period parliaments met on average about once a year, but not on any sort of regular schedule. Looie496 (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I do believe that answers my question. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:32, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

A useful pair of tools

Always look in google books here. Also you can paste a book url into here and it will make a full ref for you to copy. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 10:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Medieval means of publication

In The Twelve Conclusions of the Lollards apparently it was "nailed" to the middle of the doors of Westminster Abbey and St Paul's Cathedral as a placard. Was this the normal means of publication in these times? Do we have more details of this means of publication in some article?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:45, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Luther's The Ninety-Five Theses were famously supposed to have been nailed to a church door, and apparently a manifesto in the name of Jacopone da Todi was nailed to church doors in Rome, and a copy was left at the high altar of St Peter's. Banns of marriage were traditionally posted on church doors, although I'm not clear when that practice dates from, and whether it's connected with the tradition of holding marriages at church doors. Warofdreams talk 15:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

For a side question, didn't continuously nailing things to a door damage the door to the point where it splintered ? Or did they accommodate this with cork or some other soft wood, in an early version of the bulletin board ? StuRat (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

They used heavy, good quality seasoned oak for their church doors. Answers.com [1] says they were nailed together and many have lasted until today. Itsmejudith (talk) 18:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess you haven't seen the door of a cathedral. They tend to be about 8 feet high, 6 feet wide, and a foot thick. Looie496 (talk) 18:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The overall dimensions don't matter if they always nail it in the same place. I'd expect that place to turn to mush after centuries of nailing. StuRat (talk) 19:48, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Doors would probably be replaced for other reasons. Does any medieval cathedral still have its original doors? Adam Bishop (talk) 03:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

The north door at Durham Cathedral

There are many hundreds of medieval church doors in England; as Looie496 says, they were built to last. The most famous is the north door at Durham Cathedral because of its remarkable sanctuary knocker. Alansplodge (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

The famous knocker

Neat! I know Nantes Cathedral has some extremely old-looking doors but I honestly have no idea if they are original. Adam Bishop (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I have seen official documents from US county governments , presently in their files, which have holes and ink washed down the page from being nailed to doors or outdoor noticeboards in the 1850's, so the custom is just not an ancient one. I suppose the file copy somehow shows that due notice was given of a tax sale or whatever, but it seems like anyone could have ripped it off and destroyed it. Edison (talk) 18:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

It's called constructive notice. You are doing a legally-defiined due diligence to notify the affected person. Usually, you print it in the newspaper a few times too. It's all what the law says.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Were the "documents" of the fourteenth century made of paper (as we pretty much know of printer paper today) or did they consist more of the linen material?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Vellum, parchment... --TammyMoet (talk) 21:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

O.K., now I get it. Would it have the appearance of a type of "linen"?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 21:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

This of constructive notice would be the means of notifying people affected (e.g. parliament) when nailed to key churches in the fourteenth century. It is then the publication (broadcaster) or the deliverer method to notify certain key people about a document?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Another question is how many people in mediaeval times actually were literate. Depending on who your target audience was, nailing a document to a door might not be the most effective form of mass communication. Hiring a man to shout your message out from the roof tops might have been a more efficient way of getting your message out to the masses. V85 (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It would be effective since the church was the central point of any settlement, whether village or city. Everyone would see it, and there would definitely be someone there who could read it, no matter the overall literacy rate. Adam Bishop (talk) 03:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It may be "normal" to post notices in a public spot (like the doors of a medieval church, or in a modern context, say on a bulletin board at the town hall), but remember that this was also (in modern terms) a publicity stunt. They were trying to draw attention to their cause, so it wasn't just a normal display of information. Adam Bishop (talk) 03:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Stephen Justice, Writing and Revolution explains how the activists in the "Peasants Revolt" in England (1381) used written documents in English. Writing in English (rather than Latin) was an innovative practice, and it strikes me as remarkably similar to the way groups use social media for organising protests today. Not everyone had access, but enough people did for it to be effective. They posted "bills" on church doors, and then had them read aloud to public gatherings. And when someone made a speech, people wrote it up and posted it in public. So they were using oral and written communication together. On the physical qualities of oak doors, the oak goes rock hard over time rather than soft. Lots of medieval church doors are extant, see them on Google images, marvel at the amount of complex ironwork in them. Itsmejudith (talk) 10:33, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

That should be useful for Doug, since the Lollards are connected to the Peasants' Revolt. Adam Bishop (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

There were town criers and heralds.—Wavelength (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Although town criers would have only done the bidding of the Aldermen and heralds were (and are still) strictly for royal news only. These were not channels of communication for ordinary folk. Alansplodge (talk) 18:01, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Mont Ventoux

Hi Doug, I see that in edit you changed the article title from Ascent of Mont Ventoux to Ascent of Mount Ventoux. I've changed it back to Mont Ventoux, on the basis that our article on the mountain is Mont Ventoux (indeed all of our articles on French mountains employ Mont rather than Mount (and Pic not Peak, and de not of), as they use the vernacular – I have seen people refer to Mount Blanc, but to my ears that's as horrific, more so perhaps, as Mount Ventoux; see here or here, for example). I just thought it polite to notify you of my change, with which I hope you concur. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 12:55, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I concur. Thanks for letting me know. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 13:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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Could I pester you to check the new image? He just sent me one. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:17, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Added a comment that picture is good and correctly licensed. Does that look O.K.?--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yep, perfect. Thanks! I love it when subjects donate pictures of themselves. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

South Georgia Survey

Thanks for reviewing my DYK nomination. You mentioned AGF for the hook line itself. Although the Polar Record articles are paywalled, I can see the first page for most of them, including the one that mentions staying at the jail. It's possible that's related to my location. If that page is not visible to everyone, I'll add another source for the hook. --Amble (talk) 22:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Added extra ref. Thanks. --Amble (talk) 22:26, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit conflict! Yes, I see it. I have changed to "DYK tick". As far as I am concerned, you are all set to go for your DYK.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:32, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I see that your DYK has Passed and it has been Moved to Prep Area 3. You will see it as an official DYK in a few days.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:07, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

That was quick! --Amble (talk) 23:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I recently Reviewed 7 articles because I submitted a 7-in-1 DYK. Five of these articles have already "Passed" and are in queues.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Clever. --Amble (talk) 23:21, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	You baked the cakes. It's good to have so many cakes to frost. I could not do it without you. Great job on mail bag, mail sack, mail pouch, mail satchel, catcher pouch, Pony Express mochila, and portmanteau. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:17, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for Barnstar!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 12:23, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Washington Bee

See Bigturtle page 7&6=thirteen (☎) 02:54, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail bag

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail pouch

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail sack

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail satchel

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Catcher pouch

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pony Express mochila

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Portmanteau (mail)

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

7 in 1 DYK

	Seven blessings are well earned
	Longchenpa in his meditation seat. May the Seven Treasuries bring you fulfillment. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:38, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

• Serendipitously this is item #77 on your talk page. How cool and lucky is that. 7 could be a harbinger of good fortune. Or maybe you should play it in the lottery. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:14, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

WOW! Thanks. Well 7&6 maybe we should give them 7 times 4 plus a little more.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 18:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

As a harbinger I predict the largest DYK ever will appear 7 days from now.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

As a student of Longchenpa I predict it will be about events that happened in the 1970s.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Associated with the 37th President of the United States.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

and Apollo 17.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:55, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

and 7 inches.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

and 270.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:27, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

and 27.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:58, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

I think you should have a slice of Dobos torte, otherwise known as 7 layer cake.

One slice of Dobos from Café Gerbeaud. Share it with a loved one. Happy anniversary. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Well, thank you very much! --Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:47, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

That was so good.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:47, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Ball State English 213

Hello, I was referred to you by another user,the interior, and I am involved in a group project. We are having issues finding sources for a specific section in our project. We are updating the Frog Baby page and we recently found out that there is more than one of this statue around. We however are unable to find location information. If you know of any sources that can help us out or even point us in the correct direction, we would greatly appreciate it. Thank you Vtdavis (talk) 03:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)user:vtdavisVtdavis (talk) 03:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I have seen the Frog Baby statue at Brookgreen Gardens several times. Brookgreen Gardens will certainly have information on this statue by Edith Barretto Parsons.

http://siris-artinventories.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!25340~!0#focus

--Doug Coldwell ^talk 10:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: William Calvin Chase

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Goddess Diana

Hey there, I'm involved with a group project for my Digital Literacies class, and we were referred to you by the user,the interior, for information help. We're looking to find some more sources regarding the Forest Idyll or as Ball State calls it, "The Naked Lady." Any help would be appreciated! Thank you Amcoquillard (talk) 17:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Nope, don't know anything about Forest Idyll. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:17, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Closest I have is Goddess Diana hunting (pictured).--Doug Coldwell ^talk 17:45, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

This picture of the Diana sculpure is in the same location as the old Forest Idle sculpure was at Brookgreen Gardens (page 9 & 10).

Here is another idea: Use the "Ask A Librarian" service at Internet Public Library - they usually come up with some excellent answers (Google for this).

Here is another idea: Use the "Ask A Librarian" service at the Library of Congress (Google for this). I bet they also have some answers for the Forest Idyll or as Ball State calls it, "The Naked Lady." --Doug Coldwell ^talk 18:25, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mattheus Marinus Schepman

Added other contributors, if you have no objection. Thank you for the nomination. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

... moon rocks

Hello Douglas. May I ask you why do you want to delete all the pages? They aren't in the main space, from what I've seen. I'm just asking... --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:55, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, they are new articles now!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 14:59, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, Illinois moon rocks, the last article in your sandbox that I deleted, is still a red link. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:04, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I've got it. Sorry for bothering you :) --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Illinois lunar sample displays - as you can see they are under a new name as a new article. Thanks for deleting the sandboxes, as I no longer need them.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes yes ... No problem, it is an easy task. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

...and thank you for expanding Wikipedia :) --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:15, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

And now for my 30-in-1 DYK nomination......--Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:17, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Ugh, it must be a historical moment for DYK :D Good luck! ... editors working at DYK seem to be under fire recently ... --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it should be a record breaker. It certainly will keep them busy!!!!--Doug Coldwell ^talk 15:31, 2 November 2012 (UTC)