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:There are many people who have criticised Jokowi, but Tommy Suharto is a minor politician who happens to be the son of a president who resigned 24 years ago, and I don't see how a comment he made four years ago merits a paragraph, as per [[WP:UNDUE]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml"> [[User:Davidelit|Davidelit ]][[User talk:Davidelit|(Talk)]] </span> 11:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
:There are many people who have criticised Jokowi, but Tommy Suharto is a minor politician who happens to be the son of a president who resigned 24 years ago, and I don't see how a comment he made four years ago merits a paragraph, as per [[WP:UNDUE]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml"> [[User:Davidelit|Davidelit ]][[User talk:Davidelit|(Talk)]] </span> 11:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:: I beg to differ. I'm not sure why "made four years ago" and "resigned 24 years ago" are pertinent points. Everything happened in the past. This is an encyclopedia, not a news service that must avoid old quotes. Yes indeed, many politicians have criticized the president. But not all of those critics are the politically ambitious, powerful progeny of the country's longest-serving president. This is precisely why I feel it is relevant. How would you feel if the content of the disputed paragraph were to be cut into a single sentence - and incorporated into an existing section - merely mentioning the attempt to appeal to nostalgia by criticizing the president, claiming the country was in better economic shape (less foreign debt) when his father was in power? I do appreciate your prompt response above. [[User:SiberianCat|SiberianCat]] ([[User talk:SiberianCat|talk]]) 11:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
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Criticism of president deleted
A section of disputed content is:
Criticism of Jokowi
- In February 2018, Tommy criticized the government of President Joko "Jokowi" Widodo for allowing state debt to rise to $340 billion. He said that by comparison, when Suharto was president, state debt was $54 billion. He criticized Jokowi's infrastructure development policy, saying it had caused foreign debt to rise. He said infrastructure development should be coupled with a reduction in commodity transport costs, rather than just focusing on projects.(with reference)
This was deleted on the grounds that it is "completely irrelevant". Perhaps it could be reworded along the lines of: "Tommy has been critical of President Joko Widodo's infrastructure development policy, saying it caused Indonesia's foreign debt to rise to $340 billion, compared to $54 billion when Suharto was president. He said infrastructure development should be coupled with a reduction in commodity transport costs, rather than just focusing on projects."
Is such content completely irrelevant? Should Wikipedia pages about politicians not include their views on political rivals and their efforts to appeal to nostalgia? I feel the content is important because it shows the subject's political views toward the Indonesian government. I also feel it is relevant because the subject is a politician with presidential aspirations and is critical of the incumbent. Also, the subject is the son of a former president and is making the argument that things were better when his father was in power, which is part of his party's campaign strategy; that is, an appeal to nostalgia that things used to be better.
I apologize if I am not following correct etiquette on a Talk Page. SiberianCat (talk) 07:39, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- There are many people who have criticised Jokowi, but Tommy Suharto is a minor politician who happens to be the son of a president who resigned 24 years ago, and I don't see how a comment he made four years ago merits a paragraph, as per WP:UNDUE. Davidelit (Talk) 11:08, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
- I beg to differ. I'm not sure why "made four years ago" and "resigned 24 years ago" are pertinent points. Everything happened in the past. This is an encyclopedia, not a news service that must avoid old quotes. Yes indeed, many politicians have criticized the president. But not all of those critics are the politically ambitious, powerful progeny of the country's longest-serving president. This is precisely why I feel it is relevant. How would you feel if the content of the disputed paragraph were to be cut into a single sentence - and incorporated into an existing section - merely mentioning the attempt to appeal to nostalgia by criticizing the president, claiming the country was in better economic shape (less foreign debt) when his father was in power? I do appreciate your prompt response above. SiberianCat (talk) 11:37, 3 March 2022 (UTC)