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2022 January Update

I am currently preparing a German version of this article for WP:DE. While doing so I will go through this article, copyedit and update the sections with current sources that I use for the German article. I appreciate any help with style and language, as I'm not a native speaker. Tischbeinahe (talk) 07:13, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History section

I have deleted the "history" section, that violated WP:NOR. It was compiled from biology sources that do not deal with dietary or nutritional research. The plant-based diet that humans consume is a cultural technique that is learned and handed down. This has nothing to do with the natural history or evolution of insects and animals as it was described in section. There were some sentences about humans but again, the article describes a diet, which is a cultural technique. As with all cultural techniques the question if these are "natural" are meaningless. CarlFromVienna (talk) 07:24, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The title of the article is not "Plant-based diet in humans" or "Plant-based human diet". See Diet (nutrition): "In nutrition, diet is the sum of food consumed by a person or other organism". All herbivores, by definition, have a plant-based diet. Some technically omnivorous animals have one as well. The term is not specieist. Perhaps this can be described more clearly in the article, but the "plant-based diet" originates with plant-eating animals, and all such animals can be described by such a diet. BD2412 T 19:02, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Non of the sources in the restored section does even include the phrase "plant-based diet". The phrase "plant-based diet" was coined in context of vegan/vegetarian diets, that is, in the context of human nutrition. This is not a term used in biology. The term only refers to human diets. CarlFromVienna (talk) 19:16, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find some way, then, to indicate that obligate herbivores do not have a "plant-based diet"? The topic is related enough to mention. BD2412 T 19:34, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The general problem with the term is that it is rather new and it's definition is far from finished. As far as I can see the only disciplines that are currently using it (and working on improving the definition) is medical and nutritional sciences. I don't think we will find a paper in biology that uses the term and talks about plant-based diets in animals. Think about it, would you expect something about animal diets in the articles of veganism or vegetarianism? CarlFromVienna (talk) 20:01, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I get your point. Added this to clarify the scope of the article. Timelezz (talk) 15:16, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Intro section

I have deleted the following from the intro.

1. While a plant-based diet avoids or has limited animal products,^[1] it is not necessarily vegan.^[2]^[3]

2. However, use of the phrase "plant-based diet" has changed over time and examples can be found of the phrase being used to refer to vegan diets (which only include plant-based food, none from animal sources), and vegetarian diets, which may include dairy or eggs but no meat,^[4]

3. as well as diets that include limited amounts of animal-based foods, such as semi-vegetarian and authentic Mediterranean diets.^[2]^[5]

1. I will include "not necessarily vegetarian or vegan" in shorter form in the intro. 2. The HMS school does not give an account about how "the phrase has changed over time". This is just not backed up by the source. It doesn't even explicitly state that a vegan diet is categorized as plant-based diet. 3. The two sources do not back up the claim that commonly the Mediterranean diets is categorized as plant-based diet. The second source is a blog entry.

I do think, however, that the article should deal with the statements that the editors of this text tried to make. I will look for more reliable sources that do actually back up the claims made. CarlFromVienna (talk) 19:31, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Be aware, however, that this page has a history of editors trying to redefine "plant-based diet" to mean a diet that intentionally excludes all animal-based products. BD2412 T 19:36, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think I remember that a year ago or so the PCRM definition was included with something like "the term today refers to an exclusively vegan diet" or something like that. They clearly want to have their term back :-) But now its out in the wild and is mainly used as an umbrella term for all kinds of diets that are low in animal products. I have a long list of todos for this article and going back in the version history is on that list -- after I've cleaned up the most embarrassing things that accumulated in the article over time. CarlFromVienna (talk) 19:51, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Tuso, Philip (2013). "Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets". The Permanente Journal. 17 (2): 61–66. doi:10.7812/TPP/12-085. PMC 3662288. PMID 23704846. The recommendations for patients who want to follow a plant-based diet may include eating a variety of fruits and vegetables that may include beans, legumes, seeds, nuts, and whole grains and avoiding or limiting animal products, added fats, oils, and refined, processed carbohydrates
^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference Summerfield was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Hemler, Elena C.; Hu, Frank B. (20 March 2019). "Plant-Based Diets for Cardiovascular Disease Prevention: All Plant Foods Are Not Created Equal". Current Atherosclerosis Reports. 21 (5): 18. doi:10.1007/s11883-019-0779-5. ISSN 1534-6242. PMID 30895476. S2CID 84842104.
^ McManus, Katherine D. (26 September 2018). "What is a plant-based diet and why should you try it?". Harvard Medical School. It doesn't mean that you are vegetarian or vegan and never eat meat or dairy. Rather, you are proportionately choosing more of your foods from plant sources.
^ "Plant-Based Mediterranean Diet Staples". Oldways. Retrieved 8 March 2021.

Fungi?

Might want to mention fungi somewhere in the article, since plant-based diets are often vegetarian or vegan in nature, but those diets still permit fungi. Hppavilion1 (talk) 06:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Tuso, Philip (2013). "Nutritional Update for Physicians: Plant-Based Diets". The Permanente Journal. 17 (2): 61–66. doi:10.7812/TPP/12-085. PMC 3662288. PMID 23704846. The recommendations for patients who want to follow a plant-based diet may include eating a variety of fruits and vegetables that may include beans, legumes, seeds, nuts, and whole grains and avoiding or limiting animal products, added fats, oils, and refined, processed carbohydrates

[Summerfield-2] Cite error: The named reference Summerfield was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[3] Hemler, Elena C.; Hu, Frank B. (20 March 2019). "Plant-Based Diets for Cardiovascular Disease Prevention: All Plant Foods Are Not Created Equal". Current Atherosclerosis Reports. 21 (5): 18. doi:10.1007/s11883-019-0779-5. ISSN 1534-6242. PMID 30895476. S2CID 84842104.

[4] McManus, Katherine D. (26 September 2018). "What is a plant-based diet and why should you try it?". Harvard Medical School. It doesn't mean that you are vegetarian or vegan and never eat meat or dairy. Rather, you are proportionately choosing more of your foods from plant sources.

[5] "Plant-Based Mediterranean Diet Staples". Oldways. Retrieved 8 March 2021.

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+Might want to mention fungi somewhere in the article, since plant-based diets are often vegetarian or vegan in nature, but those diets still permit fungi. [[User:Hppavilion1|Hppavilion1]] ([[User talk:Hppavilion1|talk]]) 06:47, 13 March 2022 (UTC)