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Christianity on a Global Spectrum

I need to know how God’s word is universal and globally renowned. 66.222.23.10 (talk) 15:04, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

True or false

It is erroneous to claim Christianity in terms of fact, the way this page has. There is still debate about whether a Jesus of Nazareth ever existed.

Then you look at a Pagan page, or something more eclectic, like the psychic world..

And everything is "supposed."

What a crock! Shamanluc (talk) 19:06, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Read the article again. It is in WP voice, which means that factual statements ("It is the world's largest religion", etc.) are backed up by reliable sources, and statements regarding the faith's character ("Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Son of God") are also factual, without WP postulating on the veracity of those beliefs. Yes, there is still debate about whether a Jesus of Nazareth ever existed, but the vast majority of secular, scholarly sources state that one did exist, to the extent that historical sources can provide any concrete evidence on 2000 year old persons. See Historical Jesus for more info. Meanwhile, I could find nowhere in this article that WP states Jesus did, in fact, exist - only that Christians believe that he did, which is an objective fact. Jtrevor99 (talk) 19:56, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

"There is still debate about whether a Jesus of Nazareth ever existed." And how is that remotely relevant to this page? 21 centuries of Christian history provide more topics to write on than whether an insignificant itinerant preacher ever existed, or whether he was a figment of the imagination. Dimadick (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

20 centuries, not 21. Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 18:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Christianity is not a monotheism.

How can the writer of the page just declares Christianity is monotheistic ? How can you fit three person in to one person or three Gods in to one God ? Even you use three person = one god logic then Hinduism and all paganism are monotheistic. 103.106.201.51 (talk) 18:07, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

That's already answered in the article (in several places) as well as the Monotheism article, and is backed by RSs. The article also covers Christian branches that are exceptions. For a start, look at inclusive monotheism. Jtrevor99 (talk) 19:40, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

I disagree, you can look at any religion in the world, literally any religion, and you would only find monotheism if inclusive monotheism were the correct interpretation. Aztecs monotheistic? Shinto monotheistic? Egyptians monotheistic? I can safely say that your interpretation is wrong lest you were to admit polytheism doesn't exist at all. Lastly, reliable sources cannot be used to overgeneralize, for example nobody has the authority to say Christianity is "monotheistic" if there are Christians who disagree too, as such you would prefer one type of Christians over another type of Christians, and being selective is childish and incorrect. The link hereby cited also explains why Christianity should better be labeled polytheistic but since the majority disagrees I'll only ask to not take for granted that Christianity is monotheistic but rather imitate the page on Hinduism where it says someone can be Hindu and at the same time be monotheistic, polytheistic, henotheistic, monistic, etc.. 79.23.97.19 (talk) 16:01, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, to be more careful with the wording, I propose to change the main article from "Christianity is an Abrahamic monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth." to "Christianity is an Abrahamic religion, often considered monotheistic, and based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth." Temp0000002 (talk) 18:59, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

I sincerely doubt OP will find reliable sources to back their original research. Their response also indicates they do not understand what the term "inclusive monotheism" actually means. In the context of this discussion, "pluriform monotheism" may be more clear to them. They will need to find a preponderance of RSs to override the wide array of sources currently cited which disagree with them. They also need to remember that WP does not try to capture every nuance and every minor exception to a topic in the lead, lest leads become excessively detailed OR excessively generic to the point of being unusable: it is sufficient to characterize Christianity as a monotheistic religion in the lead when an overwhelming majority of adherents call it that, as do both secular and religious RSs, then point out exceptions in the body of the article. (To wit: there are those who disagree with "Abrahamic", "religion", "based on the life and teachings", "Jesus", and "Christ". Shall we remove all those from the definition as well?) Jtrevor99 (talk) 20:50, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

The belief on god is so important in the main page that the trinity is included, and luckily it is mentioned that Arians are non-trinitarians, but they believed only the father was god (they cited John 17:3), likewise if Christianity cannot be labeled as exclusively trinitarian it cannot be labeled as exclusively monotheistic either. By the way the term soft polytheism fits the idea of the trinity pretty well. Temp0000002 (talk) 21:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Reliable sources disagree with you. Until that changes, the lead should not. Jtrevor99 (talk) 01:28, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Polytheistic mention

I believe there should be a mention of the divine assembly in the Bible in Psalms 82:1 since various people talk about. 87.18.114.73 (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

James K. Mead said polytheism (option d) is the best way to interpret Psalms 82 and Deuteronomy 32:8. Steve Schramm also said it's a possible interpretation.

It has also been said by some that the divine beings of Psalm 82 could not be humans. I propose to mention in the main article the possibility of polytheism as an interpretation of this passage. 79.23.97.19 (talk) 17:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

The interpretation of Psalm 82 to differenciate between Yahweh and El/Elyon is questioned.

The rejection of the existence of other deities is absurd. Temp0000002 (talk) 19:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Christian flag

The § Ecumenism section refers to the Christian Flag, with an image of the flag. When I check the sources on the flag's article, it appears to be a symbol that is used only in the United States and perhaps (more limited usage) in Canada. I can't find any evidence that this is a recognisable ecumenical symbol – outside of North America. The word ecumenical after all literally means 'worldwide', not 'regional'. The topic of this article is worldwide Christianity, and so I think that a symbol that only has relevancy to a particular country or region should not be used as an illustration in the ecumenism section. I propose either that the symbol is removed or at the very least the text should be edited to made clear that the flag is unknown to the large majority of Christians in other countries. --Hazhk (talk) 18:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

The Christian Flag is widely used in South America, Asia, and Africa too. However, it does not have universal usage. For now, though, I have supplanted the image with a photo of Roman Catholic and Lutheran clergy. I hope this helps. Anupam^Talk 19:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sceptical about if it is actually widely used in those regions. The only references to this are from American denomination sources. The new image is an improvement! --Hazhk (talk) 09:43, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I've yet to see the Christian flag here in Japan, though most of the churches I visit don't have foreign missionaries. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)