Talk:Liverpool Street station

Electrification

As I understand it some original from of electrification went from Liverpool Street to Shenfield, around the 1930s using (i think) 1500v DC. I've only found a handful of mentions of it eg (p11 of [1] ) and any more details would be appreciated (eg when it was replaced by 25Kv AC) --Pickle 15:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

It is mentioned here on p10 [2] (1959) that 1500v DC has been started in the early 1950s and when the rest of the Liverpool street system is electrified to 25Kv AC (adopted standard in 1954 BTC modernisation plan) the 1500v DC system will have to replaced. --Pickle 15:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

on p34 [3] (1959), it states Liverpool street to Shenfield was electrified at 1500v DC in 1949, and this system was extended Chemslford and Southend Victoria in 1956. Passengers and receipts "more than doubled".Pickle 16:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Added dates for Electrification voltage changes as it first changed from 1,500V dc to 6.25kV ac in 1959/60 with Liverpool St., Shenfield to Southend Victoria and with Shenfield to Chelmsford being converted to 25kV in 1961. With Class 306 and 307 units having to be rebuilt. Lines out to Chingford, Enfield Town, Hartford East, Bishops Stortford between 1956 and 1960 and energised in 1960 at 6.25kV ac on inner London and 25kV ac on the route to Bishops Stortford. In March 1962 the minister for transport had approved a modification to electrical clearances requirements. Took until the autumn of 1980 for voltage change from 6.25kV ac to 25kV ac before the then new class 315 units where introduced. (Kenny367) 16:30, 15 May 2021 (GMT)

References

Photos

This photo might come in handy one day:

Liverpool Street station

Cool, thanks! Pcb21| Pete 08:15, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

High pitched sound/high frequency sound in station

I have noticed an annoying high pitched sound in the station every day since I started commuting through it in December 2005. A little Googling shows I am not the only one to have noticed it. I wondered if it was vermin control or perhaps some sort of crowd control device. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.72.169.116 (talk • contribs) 08:54, 24 May 2006

WW1 Air Raid

Have changed the death toll at the station from 162 to 16 - the 162 applied to London as a whole, for instance the deaths at Upper North Street School. Have been able to examine the existing sources online, Sokolski is clear that 162 is a wider figure but Murphy says 162 dead at the station and that the station was destroyed. I've added an online source by Ian Castle with supports the view that 16 were killed at LST. So I think it appropriate to remove the Murphy source at that point, but wish to consult first AlasdairDaw (talk) 09:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

What makes www.iancastlezeppelin.co.uk a reliable source? Although I've done extensive work on the article, the citation to Murphy was already there when I started improvements in 2016; I'm not sure who could help. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ian Castle has written a number of books for the Osprey publishing military campaign series. I have a copy of ‘London 1914-17’ and found that impressive. That book however only covers the Zeppelin attacks.

The website seems to be linked to Ian Castle and the title of the page “Britain’s first Blitz” suggests the material was taken from his book ‘The First Blitz’ but I didn’t want to assume that. Ideally I’d like to get hold of a copy of that book from the library to strengthen the reference, but I imagine that at some point someone will have to make a call on which of the versions of events\references to go with - if that's Murphy, no problem :-) . Thanks, all the best.AlasdairDaw (talk) 09:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Class 769 freight trial

This is mentioned in the article - did it ever happen? Will it become regular?

--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 08:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Liverpool Street and Moorgate stations

Is there any consistent rationale for why Bank and Monument stations are 1 article (interchange) and Liverpool Street and Moorgate are two? They have more shared history and are a (slightly) smaller complex, and there's no rule 1 complex = 1 station (Paddington is three articles), just wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts? Shadowssettle _{Need a word?} 09:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

History? Bank and Monument stations have been properly joined stations for 90 years; being the only way into Bank DLR has only reinforced them as a single entity. London Paddington station was originally four separate stations, but all were named Paddington, with a (xxx) qualifier for the three underground stations, from the start. Liverpool Street and Moorgate have not (yet) been considered so, and retain their individual identities despite now being conjoined by the Elizabeth line; Moorgate, as its article says, has long been a terminus and interchange in its own right. Remember that Wikipedia only reflects the reported world, not create it: I have removed your unfinished assertion on the Moorgate station article that there is an entity named Liverpool Street-Moorgate, for which you will need some good references before reinstating. Bazza (talk) 10:00, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, that was actually an editing error which snuck past (I know I should be far more careful) which I was about to write before I realised it was more of an off-hand comment from a source than a practical assertion when I went to check citations, which led me to ask this question, and led me to change what I was going to write (forgot I had edited the lead) to be more in-line with there just being an interchange. Thank-you for removing it (and my bad). Yes, I realise that there is a stark difference in history and reporting, my comment reflected only that Bank and Monument are only connected indirectly via the Northern lines (and now additionally the DLR), and a similar situation now exists for Liverpool Street–Moorgate, which has been reported on, if still very much not the general portrayal in the media outside of transport-oriented content. It will be interesting to see if the connection and single complex will change such portrayal, and such question will be more difficult to answer in the future, but yes this is purely speculation. Shadowssettle _{Need a word?} 10:46, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Another thing to consider is that Liverpool Street is a mainline national rail terminus, like Paddington, so it has its own identity. It might be in time we need to create Liverpool Street & Moorgate tube station (in the same manner as Kings Cross St Pancras tube station, although that name itself is now under contention since TfL have renamed it on the tube map). I think we just need to consider what most sources would identify with. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:54, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Very fair point, however, to match Bank/Monument, that'd be Liverpool Street and Moorgate stations, since Elizabeth line -> railway station, so combined it's still a station. Nonetheless, it's a fair point that this discussion is premature Shadowssettle _{Need a word?} 14:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)