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Why is there absolutely no mention of when camps were discovered? This is important in understanding that it was not cruelty but simple ignorance, from other nations and from many German citizens, that allowed this horror to continue for so long. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.73.175.85|70.73.175.85]] ([[User talk:70.73.175.85#top|talk]]) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Why is there absolutely no mention of when camps were discovered? This is important in understanding that it was not cruelty but simple ignorance, from other nations and from many German citizens, that allowed this horror to continue for so long. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.73.175.85|70.73.175.85]] ([[User talk:70.73.175.85#top|talk]]) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:have been seeking this answer as well. 1 - when did the allies suspect existence of such camps and 2 - when did they know, with proof. [[Special:Contributions/70.31.166.89|70.31.166.89]] ([[User talk:70.31.166.89|talk]]) 22:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC) |
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Why is there absolutely no mention of when camps were discovered? This is important in understanding that it was not cruelty but simple ignorance, from other nations and from many German citizens, that allowed this horror to continue for so long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.175.85 (talk) 16:28, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- have been seeking this answer as well. 1 - when did the allies suspect existence of such camps and 2 - when did they know, with proof. 70.31.166.89 (talk) 22:27, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Misrepresentation of statistics
The suggestion that the food offered at the concentration camps was "enough to sustain life" is ridiculous.
There is exaggerated information and misinformation stated and implied throughout in multiple places throughout this article that suggest the Jews' plight at the hands of the Nazis were supposedly not as bad as what has been correctly known over the past 77 years. I perceive that statistics about Jews during WWII and their treatment have been misrepresented in this article, possibly intentionally. DONT MISREPRESENT THE STATISTICS BIT BY BIT UNTIL THE HISTORY RECORDS ARE INCORRECT. WE MUST NEVER FORGET THE ATTACK ON JEWS DURING THE HOLOCAUST! 97.32.1.164 (talk) 06:19, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Why only the Jews? Holocaust victims included so many Soviets. Dimadick (talk) 14:46, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Holocaust victims did not include Soviets. The Holocaust refers to the systematic and intentional hunting down and extermination of every Jew that the Nazis could find. Soviets and many others were victims of the Nazis, but they were not slated out for destruction in the way that the Jews were. 90% of the Jews in the territories that the Nazis occupied were exterminated. This cannot begun to be said about any other group! 185.182.71.32 (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- The jews were not the only victims, Nazis had a full 100% extermination plan for the Roma. PRAXIDICAE🌈 17:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
- Holocaust victims did not include Soviets. The Holocaust refers to the systematic and intentional hunting down and extermination of every Jew that the Nazis could find. Soviets and many others were victims of the Nazis, but they were not slated out for destruction in the way that the Jews were. 90% of the Jews in the territories that the Nazis occupied were exterminated. This cannot begun to be said about any other group! 185.182.71.32 (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Unreliable source, strong bias
In the article it is stated that Ottoman Armenian refugees were held in concentration camps.
The cited reference is not a reliable source. Reliable sources are needed. (Author of do not know Turkish so he cannot read and evaluate original documents himself)
Also it is simply wrong to compare these camps with nazi concentration camps. (For example do we compare contemporary refugee camps with nazi camps? Do these camps specifically set up to exterminate people either with harsh conditions or other measures?)
This is clearly using wikipedia for political matters. Wikipedia is not a place for political purposes. 46.106.162.21 (talk) 06:56, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- A general reference about concentration camps by a historian seems quite good for a summary like this. I don't know whether the author reads Armenian. —Kusma (talk) 09:23, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
- More information and sources are at Deir ez-Zor camps. (I don't know whether these were the only Concentration camps during the Armenian genocide, though). —Kusma (talk) 19:06, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Discussion of who knew about these camps, when.
Leaving this information out only opens this article to criticism by hateful people who support anti semtic conspiracies. 70.73.175.85 (talk) 16:32, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, we get that regardless. What additions do you suggest to the article? --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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